8.11.26 Pasco County Board of County Commissioner Meeting (Afternoon Session)

the the speed zone?

Yeah. Um I don't have any uh I don't have any more questions, but I I would like to make a motion to support both programs. Um I feel like this is much needed for Pasco County. We're busy. We're growing and kids safety is top of the top priority.

I will second that move. And also if people do speed they will get fined and the money collected

will go to sidewalks help fill in the gap.

Well hopefully we don't we don't collect a lot of money because once they speed I don't think they'll do it again.

Yep.

Some counties they were captured at 90 90 miles hour.

Well if you're looking for support from the chair I'm going to want to get more information on this.

I just got to see if where you where Oakley is.

All right. just I'm having a discussion right now.

Yeah, we won't have a discussion.

Yeah. So, I'm I'm going to want to have more information about um the data collected, where it goes, how it's stored, what we saw with the flock cameras. That data goes out. It can be hijacked from what I can see. Again, I've got Todd Bailey looking at the report that's on there. Whether they use it or they say they're not going to use it, I don't know. But the contract written with the sheriff, I have uh our county attorney actually go look at that to see what's in there. So before I go support any motions going forward, I want a lot more information to this and in time we can get it. But u until I get that information, I can't support it.

Okay. Well, here here's here's my question. Would you rather tell a parent, I'm sorry your child died from a person speeding in a school zone because I was trying to protect your data. To me, it's a no-brainer. Like, there's you you you have to air on the side of caution. If you're speeding, you're going to get caught. It is an hour before school, an hour after school, only during school hours, not on vacation, not on the weekends.

And if we could help save lives, and that's what it's about.

And I don't understand the fear of someone knowing that you drove past a school.

So, there's other ways. take my dad all day long that I drive by Mid Pock all the time.

So if it is that important to you, rather than he be waiting for these things to be installed, why don't you look to go direct the sheriff to have a deputy out there on duty right now? You don't have to wait for these machines and risk you're going to hurt the Fourth Amendment rights that people have. Uh you want to go fight that. If you want to go protect the people right now, have the deputies out there tomorrow. Why are we waiting? If it's that important, go do it right now. What are you waiting for?

So that's fine. So we'll ask them if they have the manpower until we get this all implemented. I totally agree.

I think Commissioner Oakley has something to say.

Does Commissioner Oakley,

Mr. Chairman, does your motion include ticketing?

Yes.

I I like both of them.

Me too.

I like them both together. I think it's a great opportunity for

I was thinking there was a couple gentlemen here if they would come up and speak to the ticketing part.

Are they still here?

Yes. So, come on come forward.

And I I think that our legislature who passed the language to allow this to happen went through all of this because and I think this passed quite with very high numbers. Do you know the numbers in Tallahassee?

141 to nine as I recall.

Yeah. So, I think it's been vetted up there as well.

Oh, good. The Quanic Preserve was vetted very well, too. Those 1470 to1 or so, and we're dealing with that. Okay.

Hi, Greg Parks Road Speed. Um, were there specific questions or you want me to give an overview again or how can I help?

Commissioner Oakley.

Well, you told me [clears throat] there's two different programs. There's one where you don't get ticketed at all, and then there's one where you do get a ticket. And the counties I've heard of that are neighboring counties that have the issue are being ticketed because there's a lot of outcry of the public citizens. But the problem I have with them, you really think about it, they're upset because they got a ticket, but they're also the person that's breaking the law speeding in a school zone.

That That's a good point, Commissioner. And I

So I think the ticket has to be included in the program to make it work, right? because they they need to be noticed and then hopefully

they don't do it again.

That'll slow them down. Yeah.

But that that's and I think y'all have a program that has ticketing in it.

And they are 11 over during the school zone hours. It's pretty egregious violation. That's one of the differences chair mentioned in the red light cameras. That's a nancond into it. and cognizant of that many guard rails were put in the school's own speed that are not in the red light camera law. And I I would contend, you know, with some similarities, it's substantially different as well.

And and to kind of commission Mariano's point, how long do you keep the data?

Uh 30 days and it's destroyed.

Okay.

And if it's adjudicated, it's by statute, it's destroyed earlier. So when pleads guilty, found not guilty, pays it, it's immediately destroyed.

All right. And and are there points or no points like that?

There's no scenario you could receive points or insurance implications. It's designed to modify behavior and it is.

Yeah.

And statistics,

you know, the person getting ticketed

can correct that the next time they come in the school zone by not speeding.

Yeah.

And then it corrects itself.

And we do consistently see approximately 90% nonresetism rate to 10% or less recent.

That's what hooked me in the presentation.

Yeah. and very slightly juris jurisdiction but that's the

putting themselves out of business

we are ironic business the better we do the less we make

so when the data goes into you um is there any chance for it to get hijacked whatsoever

you know no I I back I tried to answer that before and I appreciate your you know I guess there in in any world there's a scenario for anything we've been in business in 1994 and have not and we passed multiple highlevel federal government security audit. So we are comfortable as are a few hundred customers and there has been no no uh instance of that in since 1994.

Okay. All right. Uh Chase Daniels up.

Thank you.

Chase Daniels, Pasco Sheriff's Office. So, Chase, for the citizens in the county, are you able to go police these school zones until we get these cameras out?

So, we we certainly uh we'll do all we can. I said we have uh back to school enforcement plans in in place for some of our our most egregious speed zones. So, we will we will certainly do do what we can. Um unfortunately, I can't commit that we would be able to dedicate bodies during during certain times at certain locations. Um you know, as as noticed last night, we had the critical incident involving an unfortunate kidnapping that resulted in in a homicide. So if something like that were to happen, you know, obviously we would we would have to um you know realize the priorities and deal with that, but we will certainly do do what we can. Yes, sir.

Okay. Thank you.

Uh to the B. We have a motion. Would we clarify the motion?

Um so my motion is to adopt both programs and um as per the sheriff, they uh patrol the schools as much as they can until the program is implemented. Um, one uh and I second that. I do have a question. What What are the lengths of these contracts? So, if we decide it isn't [clears throat] working for us, can we cancel a contract? So, are are they

I think you could build that into any solicitation. You could always have offramps. If the programs aren't working for you and the board decides,

we should always have an offramp.

Always. So, typically our contracts have that type of standard language.

So, I'm ensure that's negotiated

and you're going to bring that back to us.

We would have to bring that. So what I'm hearing here is the board's kind of talking a a citation verse and a safety enhancement program. I'm going to try to genericize them both. You have heard from vendors today. Those vendors have been here to be illustrative of what those what those programs would consist of. I want to be clear that you know these vendors would have to compete with other vendors in the event that we we put these programs out. It's here for illustrative purposes only. But but we can work in offramps. We could talk about data security. Uh, but we those are things we would work out contractually as part of the procurement.

Just under discussion real quick, the other company that has the stop slow down. I'm even thinking in the bigger communities, the bigger um developments, this would be great at some of the intersections for the kids cross.

Yeah, I mean that's my first time seeing that. I would say that it's probably an enhancement of these rapid flashing beacons that you see in places. It's basically automating the button. Um, so I mean there there's opportunities in the communities, but I think the board would like to focus on school zones at this point.

Um, and and we're we're happy to, you know, move it move in that direction.

Okay.

Okay. All right. Um Okay, anything else?

All right. So, I am still not comfortable with it for the reason I've stated before. Um, and I hope you'll bring this back to us and before the RFP goes out, I hope we get to see the RFP before it goes out to figure out what you're going to go out there for bid on so we can actually look at and discuss it again. So I would think on the citation program uh Mr. Chair we would have to adopt the ordinance first anyways. So we would bring the ordinance back to the board for adoption and then because in the absence of the ordinance we would be wasting the vendor's time and our time uh seeking an RFP. So I think our next step on the citation program is to bring back an ordinance to the board for consideration and adoption. If adopted then we move forward on that. uh the safety enhancement program. I'm I'm not aware of any legislative things standing in the way of maybe proceeding with the pilot program or moving forward with something start on that.

So, we could we could easily get started if the board unless the board wants us to proceed in parallel. Otherwise, I would just proceed as quickly as possible on on each path.

Yeah. All right. We have a motion have a second. All in favor say I.

I. Any oppose? Nay.

What to one?

Mr. Chairman uh clerk souls asked that we clarify uh the continuence on R57 that it wasn't clearly

yes the orange bell trail we're going to move that I need a motion to move that back to the next

be September 9th um uh which is a Wednesday back here in Date City is is our intention.

All right. I make a motion to move R57 back to the next meeting.

Thank you.

The September 9th meeting.

September 9th

in date city. in Dane City. Do I have a second?

Second.

All in favor say I.

I.

Okay. All right. So, I was going to go to the regular agenda, then come back to other items after that.

So, E62, we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the Tampa Bay Times, April 22nd, 2026, supplemented to with an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Okay.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Pitos planning development economic growth. Uh item P62 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan, providing for comprehensive plan text amendment subar policy flu 7.1.11 to Rivers and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for repealer subability and effective date. This comes to you with a continuence to September 9, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter as maybe you heard in date city. We have a motion to continue. I

I'll make that motion. Second. All

in favor say I. I.

I. P63.

P63 proof of publication Tampa Bay Times March 25th, 2026 supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Item P63 is an ordinance amending the Pasu County is PTE 26033. This is an ordinance amending the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan text amendment to subaria policy flu 7.1.34. Palmetal Ridge and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency provide for repeal building an effective date. This comes to you requesting a continuence to the September 9, 2026 1:30 p.m. meeting or assume thereafter as maybe heard dates.

A motion to continue.

Move to continue.

Have a motion. Have a second. I got commission motion. Yep.

Do I need a second?

Second.

All in favor say I.

I.

Okay. P64

approve the publication Temp Bay Times edition of July 22nd, 2026.

Item P64 is PD260025. This is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code section 204.3 general functions, powers, and duties. Section 304 public notice requirements. Section 402.3 conditional uses. Section 407.2 zoning variances. Section 407.4 alternative relief. Section 407.5 alternative standards. Section 503 AC agricultural district. Section 504 AC1 Agricultural District. Section 505 AR Agricultural District. Section 506 AR1 Agricultural Residential District. Section 507 AR5 Agricultural Residential District. Section 508 AR5MH Agricultural Mobile Home District. Section 509 ER, Estate Residential District. Section 510 ER2, Estate Residential District. Section 511, RMH, Mobile Home District. Section 512, R1MH, Single Family Home, Mobile Home District. Section 513, R2MH, Rural Density Mobile Home District. Section 514, R1, Rural Density Residential District. Section 515, R2, Lowdensity Residential District. Section 516, R3, medium density residential district. Section 517, R4, high density residential district. Section 518, MF1, multiple family medium density district. Section 519, MF2, multiple family highdensity uh district. Section 520 MF3 multiple family highdensity district creating section 408 reasonable accommodations section 530.26 standards for community residential homes large amending appendix A definitions and other sections is necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability inclusion into the land development code and an effective date. Uh this is the first hearing so as recommended motion is to accept public comment. No action is required by the board of county commissioners as this is the first of two public hearings. The second hearing, the adoption hearing will be held on September 22, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. where soon thereafter say may be heard in Newport Richie and there's a presentation.

Should we have a presentation for the board? No.

Okay.

No presentation needed. Uh is anyone here from the public to speak to item P64? We have no one signed up in advance nor online for this is for this matter.

Okay. Is anyone from the audience like to speak to this item?

Okay. To the board.

There's no action required on this. No action required. I'm sorry. Thank you. All right. Item P65. You have proof.

P65. Proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times June 24th, 2026. Supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P65 is PE 26007. This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map 2-15 and sheet 23 from res 9 residential nine dwelling units per gross acre to res 24 residential 24 dwelling units per gross acre on approximately 15.267 acres of real property a portion of 18.634 634 acres of parcel 23 26 21002000 0710000000020 located on the southeast corner of the intersection of US highway 301 G Boulevard and Chansy Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability and an effective date. Uh, since the publication of the agenda, the applicant has requested a continuence to the September 9 city meeting at 1:30m.

Okay.

All right.

Uh, actually, we had to check with public comment in case anyone wants to speak to it.

Is there anyone in the that came here to speak to item P65?

Okay, seeing no one, I'll take a motion for continuance.

Move to continue. Second.

All in favor say I.

I.

Okay. Public hearings. Uh first one is P66.

We approve publication. Uh I think at this time do you want to

the county attorney is going to change procedures from here on in. He's not going to do that read off of all the

We don't have to do that.

Yeah.

It's a change in the

change of procedur

format of the meeting because we don't have to read that out. But we will get the proof one by one.

One by one. We have proof publication on 66 uh April 22nd, 2026 edition of the Tampa Bay Times supplemented by an affidavit affidavit of certified mailings and site posters.

Item P66 is PD 267856. This is a zoning amendment for EPG Two Rivers Development LLC at all Two Rivers MPD master plan unit development substantial modification which is a substantial modification to the Two Rivers MPD master plan unit development. This is a request to continue the item to the September 9, 2026 meeting at 1:30 p.m. or as soon thereafter the same may be heard in Dave City.

Okay, have a motion continue. Some

some moved motion second. All in favor say I. I

B67 we have proof

proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times June 24th 2026 supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Item P67 is PD 267866. This is a zoning amendment the name of Chenzip LLC Chenzip MPUD master plan unit development to resoning petition request from the AR agricultural residential district to an MPD master plan unit development. This is a request to continue the item September 9 to the September 9, 2026 meeting at 1:30 p.m. or soon thereafter may be heard in Dane City.

So move second.

All in favor say I.

I. Any oppose?

That's going to be a busy.

Okay. Item P68. Do we approve?

We approve publication in the Tampa Bay Times March 25th, 2026 supplemented by an affidavit of site postings. uh I'm sorry after certification of mailings and site postings for the meeting of July 14th, 2026 where it was continued to today. Item P68 is PD 267877. This is a zoning amendment to the name of Palmetto Ridge MPUD by the Palmetto Ridge Cattle Company LLC EPG Palmetto Ridge Holding LLC. It's a reszoning request from an MPU master plan unit development district to MPUD master plan unit development district. And this is also requesting a continuence to the September 9, 2026 meeting at 1:30 p.m. where soon thereafter may be heard in date city.

Do you have a motion? Could you continue?

U Mr. Chairman, I have a comment I want to make on this one and then I'll make a motion to

move. Um, so, uh, Palmetto Ridge is land that's covered with co grass and, uh, with emails with the applicant or the applicant's agent and staff, the way that they are dealing with the Coen grass is not acceptable. They are discing it, which means they're cutting it up into little pieces,

which will continue to grow.

Huh?

They will continue to grow that way.

Yes. And they will spread it. It'll go to the next place those machines go to. So, I'm I'm very concerned. Um, that is the o probably the worst way to deal with it. And so, I am really asking the county. I've been banging this gong for a while. Until you get that out of until you get a better method, that is not acceptable by that land developer, uh, the the land the company that's doing the clearing. So, um, that's my comment on this one. And, um, but I'll move to continue.

Second.

All in favor say I.

I. Any opposed? Okay. Item P69. Do we have proof?

Publication Tampa Bay Times May 27th, 2026. Uh supplemented by an affidavit of uh certified mailings and site postings,

sir.

Okay. Thank you. Sorry.

Item P69 is PD267901. This is a zoning amendment to the name of Mitus Family Extended LLC Mitrus Project. It's a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to an R4 high density residential district. Uh the request is to continue this item to the August 25, 2026 BCC meeting at 1:30 p.m. I assume there may be heard in Newport Richie.

That's a Newport.

Move to continue.

Second.

Okay. And continues. We'll go to Newport Richie August 25th. All in favor say I.

Opposed. Okay. Thank you.

Uh item P70. We have proof

B70. We have proof of publication June 24th, 2026 on the Tampa Bay Times supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Uh this item is PD 267935. This is a zoning amendment the name of GF Coast CCM Incorporated. the change in zoning from a C2 general commercial district with conditions to a C2 general commercial district in south central Pasco County at the northwest corner of the intersection of State Road 54 and Wesley Chapel Boulevard uh containing approximately 15.59 acres. This comes to you with the recommendation to approve the zoning amendment to authorize the chairman to execute one original of the resolution provided.

Okay. And this item is on consent. Is anyone here in to speak in opposition of this item?

Okay. Leave it on consent.

Approval.

Second.

Um I think you have another item on consent.

Nope. Never mind.

Okay.

Just

All in favor say I. I.

I.

Any oppose? Okay.

Okay. P70. Uh yeah. P71.

P71. We have approved publication Tampa Bay Times June 24th, 2026. supplemented by an affidavit to certify mailings and site postings.

Item P71 is PD267832. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Gagy Robert H Trust. Gagy MPD master plan development. the reszoning request from an MPUD master plan unit development district to an MPUD master plan unit development district to allow for the development of 300 multif family apartment units and 30,000 ft of commercial uses and associated infrastructure south in southeast Pasco County located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Chansy Road and G Boulevard containing approximately 18.63 63 acres. And like similar to the comprehensive plan amendment since the publication, this item was requested by the applicant to be continued to the 9 September 9 city meeting at 1:30 p.m.

Okay. Being this was advertised, we're going to go check for public comment for anyone who did come out to speak to item P71. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak to P71 and to the item today? I mean, excuse me. Yeah, P71 today. But keep in mind if you do speak today, you may not be able to speak at the next hearing.

We do have one person signed up uh in advance online for this item.

Okay. Is that person still there?

We're checking now.

No. Okay.

No. Okay. Okay. So, no one from the public coming forward. No one online to the board.

Move approval.

Second.

All in favor say I.

I. Any oppose?

Okay. And item P72, do we approve?

Proof of publication Tampa Bay Times, June 24th, 2026, supplemented by an affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Item P72 is PD267863. This is a zoning amendment in the name of Jorge and Rosa Oliviveres. Jorge Oliviveres. Oops. Uh this is a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district with conditions to an AR agricultural residential district in east central Pasco County on the southwest side of US highway 98 and approximately 300 ft north of Townsen Road containing about 3.32 acres. Uh the site is located within a res three uh res residential three dwelling units per gross acre future land use category and the applicant has made this application with the intent to subdivide the parcel in conformance with the AR agricultural res residential district standards for development. Uh something to note about the location of the site. Oh, I should mention this is where it's located uh at the south end of Dade City in unincorporated Pasco County. Uh this is the uh subject site. Uh this was the subject site was subject to an existing I believe 2005 2007 somewhere in that time frame uh reszoning action that placed a series of conditions on the property uh regulating the density ultimately on the property. Uh since then uh the property has been subdivided into multiple sites uh and the subject site in order to uh further subdivide must be relieved of the conditions from the 2000s. Uh, one thing to note about the the site is that it is it is at the south, you might say, east corner of the future intersection of what is the uh

the big roundabout.

You're talking about the new roundabout coming in. It's just south

coming off of Clinton North.

98 coming from Clinton Avenue across to 98. There's a big roundabout just to the north of this property. Right. Is that is there going to be a fourlane intersection like a

Oh, it's four lane. Yep.

Yes.

Where's the other four lanes?

Continuing 98.

I don't know what happened.

98 will be four lanes, but not

the roundabout is about at this location,

not the old part. No.

Okay. And the 98 will come up this way and make a connection from the west.

And the intersection is generally this whole area, but the roundabout is here.

And what's going to happen to the old part of 98? It becomes old US 98.

It'll stay two lanes.

It'll stay two lanes. Okay. So, this will become more rural. This this is that new alignment when you come down Clinton Avenue and cross over 301 and then it goes takes a southern turn back to 98 and right before it gets to this area there's a big roundabout. The roundabout is already there

and it it fits in with the fourlane of 98 to Lakeland in Poke County.

So uh it fits and it it'll work. Uh this is generally the surrounding area. You can sort of see the alignments that Commissioner Oakley was describing.

Oh, so the So the circle is in front of this property.

Where's the circle?

Circle is at the center of my highlight there.

Oh, up there. Okay.

Um this is showing the subject property in res 3, future land use, which indicates that it is possible to further subdivide the site. Uh this is the AR zoning uh district which has a minimum lot size of 1 acre and the subject size 3 as noted. This is obviously as of 2006 illustrating different partials that once upon a time were part of the original resoning action in the 2000s that conditions ultimately do not m if we are to allow this site subdivide. It would uh remove the ability of other property owners to build vaults for of their own subs. Consists of a mobile home on approximately 3.3 acres. It's accesses from US 98. The subject site is located uh 6,850 ft quite a bit of distance from the nearest conceptual uh trail which would be the trail. Uh the applicant has volunteered to record a local lead restriction on the site uh which aims to remove uh and we we aim to remove the condition of approval number one in RZ61. There shall be a cap of four dwelling units on the easterly 10.02 acre parcel and a cap of six dwellings on the westerly 4.4 acres for a total of 14 dwelling units. Uh the recommendation here is to approve the zoning amendment and then direct the planning development economic growth department to process a county initiated reszoning from an AR agricultural residential district with conditions to an AR agricultural residential district to remove the conditions imposed on the remaining parcels party to resoning petition number 6618. Uh this was uh the planning commission recommendation that the planning development department

any questions there

I wasn't planning commission meeting it was very very lengthy this discussion but I think you've arrived at a a good um outcome for the family

so they'll have to keep the right uh setbacks from the lines on these three houses

that's correct they'll still have to meet the AR zoning lines

yeah okay any other questions Yes.

No. Right. Um, is the applicant here? The applicant want to present.

The only person signed up is the applicant.

Okay.

U move to approve.

Second. Hold. Hold on.

Let the applicant speak if they want to.

Yeah. Well, why don't you see? Is anyone here opposed?

Maybe.

You want to run the meeting?

Sure. Is anyone here opposed?

Excuse me. [laughter]

All right. So, the applicant doesn't want to speak. Is there anyone here in don't want to speak to this item?

Back to the board.

Move to approval. Second. All in favor say I.

I think you want to move staff's recommendation because it's not to approve. Staff is a two-part recommendation. So

yeah. Well, staff's recommendation.

Okay.

To clarify.

Well, he made the motion. I second.

I'm good.

So, the motion is for staff's recommendation.

Staff's recommendation for both the initiated. Very good.

All in favor say I.

I. I.

Any opposed?

Motion passes. That will take care of the public. That'll take care of the public hearing agenda.

And now we'll move to uh the

the tax

property tax reform item. Time certain for 11:30. [laughter]

Clo. We made it close.

What do you mean by? So, part of the reason I wanted to have this discussion was, you know, this is obviously a big big thing for this for the not only for the state, but our our county. Um, and I wanted the details to come out so the public can actually see it, hear it, get educated, and as they make their judgments, they'll know what's best. Um, you know, there's there's articles that are out there. One's Newsweek says why property tax is bad for renters. uh the judge recently struck down was really proposed as misleading and now they're reddrafting uh how it's going to be listed for the uh for the for the for the ballot. Um so with all that said, I just think it's important that we get this information out. So Dan, if you would.

Yes. Good afternoon, commissioners. Dan Rosola, assistant budget director. As the commissioner stated, uh we have information here about educating the public on property taxes. Uh we've also included analysis we put together for commissioners to understand amendment three. And just a friendly reminder that the data you're going to see is based on FY26 adopted data since we're still working on FY27. Okay. Okay, if you look on the left uh slide there, the slide number one says dollar distribution, you'll see that of every dollar of property taxes paid, 60 cents goes to the county, 38 cents to the school district, a penny to mosquito control, and a penny of swift mud to swift mud, excuse me. on the right that shows that of the 60 cents collected for the county we have 44 cents goes to the general operating 13 cents to the fire MSTU again this is 26 data so it's not the fire and rescue MSTU just fire 2 cents to the road rehabilitation services MSTU and a penny to general obligation bonds and here's a f further breakdown of The 44 of the 60 cents is allocated to the different departments. If you see there the first two sheriff corrections and the second from the last rescue that makes up 63% of the total which is dedicated towards public safety. Any questions so far? Okay. You've seen you've seen these slides before. Uh this is what has been distributed to all the commissioners. The budget director sent out an updated version yesterday. Uh just a friendly reminder that uh the longer that we have to sit with data, the more refined it can be. So we did some refining on that. Just moving through the table there. The first row, amendment number three, year one. Pasco's anticipated year one impact is 96.1 million or 22% of the loss of our property taxes received from general operating millage. That's for the $150,000 firstear exemption. Moving down to the next row, amendment number three, year two, Pasco's um excuse me, Pasco's total general fund budget is 567 million excluding reserves and fire rescue. So we would need to reduce by 96.1 million in year one to absorb the loss revenue. However, the total amount of total non-mandated or core services is $93.3 million. This would result in an additional $28 million to absorb somehow. And examples of those core and mandated services include 197 million for the sheriff, 85 million to run the detention center, and 9 million for 911 call ticket services.

Are you supposed to be on this slide or another slide?

I'm still on the same slide.

Okay,

we're going through the first year, amendment one impacts. So, moving on to year two, which is the $250,000 exemption. This loss of revenue increases significantly with the impact being $156.3 million or 36% loss in revenue for the general fund. This would result in an additional $63 million to absorb above the core mandated services. And at full implementation, the revenue loss is $215.8 million or 51%. Once the revenue loss reaches 19% which is in year one, the impact is greater than the total cost of non-core mandated services in the general fund.

Where does it say your percents here?

It doesn't.

Well, I think it's

it's in the speaker notes that were sent out.

Okay. I I don't have I'm sorry.

We can get that to you.

These can be refined, Commissioner. I think Mr. result is just giving you a flavor for what what those additional cuts could could represent. Part of the discussion today is

I mean 51%.

That that would be with full implementation which would be full elimination of of property tax is what he's referring

because what what you see online people are saying 2%. It's a 2% cut. They can absorb that. Amendment has no idea. Yes. Amendment three has language in it that says that the legislature will build a path towards full elimination. But even the first year it's 22% if I heard that right.

Correct.

Not 2%. They left off the other two.

Okay. Then moving on to what the impact is to the other municipal service taxing units. So the fire and rescue MSTU first year would be 27.1 million or 23%. Year two is $44.2 million or 37%.

Mr. Chairman, can I ask a question?

Yes, Commissioner.

Okay. a question on this one because if you go back people say well they they're holding first responders harmless but that's not correct that we can't take right this is what I'm reading that other people are saying they have to fund the first responders at the same level but this shows you

yeah I think that was a conversation that the courts had considered as part of the ballot language you recall it it says that property taxes may be spent on those types of things. And so that was the confusing part that I think the court ruled on is that they may be spent on for example fire as they can but those are not they are not necessarily protected by the amendment.

Correct.

And then you is our rehabilitation MSTU. Year one is $4 million or 23%. Year two is $ 8.1 million or 37%. And then the table below shows the uh MSTU cost per mile based on the maintenance type done to rejuvenate the service.

That's I have. So back to the store position.

Now when we first looked at numbers I thought we were as much as 10 in the hole.

Correct.

Just from the core services.

Correct. As we stated we we got to find the numbers.

Find numbers now 2.8 mill$3 million in the hole. That is for go back your one more those are yourated expenses right which are mandated under state law in some fashion and your mandated services are your other services. So your parks for example that is not a mandated not a mandated service. So what what this represents is when you look at the delta the budget you could eliminate every non-mandated service um out

libraries senior services

you could eliminate that but you would still dig into your mandated services. that that that's

clear in this.

I don't get I I don't really understand that from this.

Well, it didn't

why we're having the discussion is to get the board's temperament on on materials and education materials if you want to see those types of things. These are the numbers. These are strictly the facts and this is you know what we is meant for educational purposes. They can we can obviously do deeper dives um based on what the board would like to see. There's there's a hundred different ways I could spend

and and now now that there's more more currents to be very accurate you're at 2.8 million in the hole without funding anything. So everything else you're going to have to take care of in other ways or so that means fees got to go up mill got to go up even to take care of this offset mill up too next year next year 63 million everything paid

I mean this is absolutely

and Dan what's the flavor the flavor of the mandated services included public safety but they also include court costs they include other things

correct facilities management IT tax collector puppet raiser clerk those those are big ones as

and those are the mandated ones.

Yes, sir.

Oh, so that's so you add those in it's even okay.

So I mean this is something that I I saw something with Tarpon Springs has got a um web page out there. I think we need to get the truth out there, the facts that are out there, let's say.

And I think we should do something along that line. maybe bring something back to us next board meeting to show us what you've got. Um, but I think we need to go put that out as quick as you can anyway. Just let's get to the public and see what the effect is.

So, I'd be happy to bring back some kind of demonstration of of uh public education, for example, that could land maybe Allah Tarpon or or other example that's out there and we could show the board some examples of what that education could look like. Well, I think I think it's good that you keep us going to to what you're doing, but I don't want that to slow you down from doing it like tomorrow

to to put that information out there. So, there's no need for you to hold back if it's factual. We're allowed to put factual information out there. Just put that out there when you the next board meeting and show us what you've done, but I don't want to slow you down from doing timing is very very critical right now.

Commission, real quick. I think a lot of a lot of citizens don't realize u how much you actually pay for things that actually help them fire and police and other things. But you take these kind of cuts, it'd be good to know what those cuts are going to do and see what's left. I mean, are you going to be able to keep fire going or you going to have to shut it down or

Well, there there there's a people.

Yeah, there's a fine line there, Commissioner, of saying what a what the board would ultimately decide on. We can certainly show where the dollars are, where those dollars go, and then of course then, you know, the voters can can make those assumptions as to where they are. You know, I mean, we could we could explore revenue models, we could explore expense reductions there. There's a there's a wide range of options that if property tax reform were to pass in its current form, we would need to begin to have those discussions. One of the things that our budget team is doing is we've put together a a uh a fiscal and budget resiliency team that is that is looking at those options right now. what what what would that look like? You know, what do new revenue models look like? Um because this would represent a fundamental shift in how to pay for services that our citizens have asked for.

We've always seen expenses go since co you know we've seen inflation at 30 and 40%. I mean coming up on all the things that you use and buy and same with people and all these things have gone up. I'm not saying that they're getting away with not having to pay much, but that it's expenses are going up on citizens, too, because you want good fire service. You want good police service and these other things. You want good public service for our roads and things of that nature. But you can't have those things without having the money to be able to provide it. So,

I'm just struck. I also think it's important to say this is not a one-sizefits-all uh effect on a county. And so I I had my staff blow this up and I I put it on the phone board. So this is done by FAC and it shows um estimated reduction in county property tax levy by fiscal year as a share of total county levy. Um and then this is an interactive QR code. I'm, you know, I have my couple of my town hall things coming up. I'm going to have I'm going to have Amy there at both of them, but I want them to see this. And so, when you're a suburban county, you are impacted much greater than a big urban county. So, it's it's going to affect different counties differently. I was with an at the county attorney from Union County um last week, which is somewhere somewhere up in here, and they said they're going to have to merge and they think they'll have to merge with three counties if this goes through. And they they they like have no idea how you even do that legislatively. I mean, we have seen where counties have split. Um like our county split from Hernando and um Penllis County used to be called West Hillsboro as part of Hillsboro. I think my husband's great-grandfather had a hand in splitting that. But these counties up there are going to have to merge. And um so I I got a I had these maps made for all of you right here.

Okay.

This is not a rec these are not recycled. [laughter] I cut mine up to make it smaller so it was more manageable and and so I just glued this on the bottom. But if you're out speaking or whatever, you can also get this in the email form. But I think this tells a a good story for Pasco County residents. I'm not talking about anyone else, but we are affected differently than other counties. Hernando and Citrus along with us. Really, Hernando's just black. They're going to get it bad. So, um And I think, you know, our people voted a long time ago with those go buns to make sure they wanted to get fire EMS. And I think it was like four years ago, we had this room filled with yellow people in yellow uniforms saying how they wanted to get better backing from us so they can do better service for our people. And our fire EMS team has done a phenomenal job. I think us adding the D-shift on has been something where all of a sudden we're not looking to go hire people. They're coming to us. So instead of spending money, wasting money in training, training as they leave to go somewhere else, they stay here. They live there. They raise their families here. They get a better quality of life and they're more energized to able to be able to take better care of our people. When you look at the thing we did with the uh roads, you know, everyone was tired of those paving assessments. We found out how much money were actually wasting about 3 to1 ratio. Was so much more efficient putting it into the taxes the way people wanted it. And I think my people are happier. I think everybody still has more roads to get done and they see more more go into it, not less go into it. But if you had to bring paving assessments back, I mean that that just brings us back to where we didn't want to go. And people said they didn't want to go. And the last thing to look at is you look at the chart that Commissioner Starky just showed. Look at everybody up in the panhandle. There's at least three counties, four counties that are right there on the edge. And the sales tax do the offset of all this. Florida Tax Watch said, I don't know how accurate it is for right now, but that'll go from 6% to 15%. That's going to take that whole panhandle and bury it up and down because they're all they a lot of them shop over the county line now, the state state line now. That's going to just drive even more of that. I just don't see it being a good idea for the state. But I think the best thing from everything with I see with the surveys that are out there, when people are what they call informed, the numbers are higher. But when it the when when people are uninformed, the numbers are higher. But when people are actually informed of what what's going to the effects going to be, the numbers plummet. Commissioner Oakley.

Well, part of the problem I see in the in the sales tax issue is the fact that if you're going up and up on sales tax, it affects everyone, those that have plenty and those that have nothing. And it really affects that lower it group of citizens that were trying to give help on their property. So it kind of defeats the purpose do it one way. The other way they going to spend all their money on taxes for food and everything else. So you know I I wish they'd bring back something like that Century Commission where they actually brought it in where they put a committee together to go study the issues

that happens next year. Uh well, and I know I know we we even had one set up specifically for private and wastewater utilities that I sat on for years ago. Put in a series of good recommendations, gave us that gave everybody a lot of education that helped us

solve a lot of our water problems. But I think this is an issue that should be looked at extensively and there's ways to fix it. I mean, I'll give you an example. My dad been in his condo for 23 years, bought it at at a decent price. His taxes are like $116,000 a year. I mean $116 a year. They've probably used EMS three times already this year. You take that alone, those people that are seniors living in those less expensive houses, if they just paid a little bit more into it, it'd be okay. And they'd probably be happy about it. Like my dad says, I'd pay more to go through. But I think there's there's ways to fix this. And I and frankly, the insurance issue that's out there, I I just hope they bring back the insurance commissioners in elected position.

Yeah.

Cabinet should be five people anyway. But the if they can't solve that, let's go look at that. But I think a big committee could look at this and do a lot of good just like was proposed that got rejected. You can't do this in two days. The effects are too strong. But I think if we just get the truth out there, get the facts that are out there, we're entitled to go do that. Let's go share it with our people and see where it goes. All right. Anything else with this?

Okay. Committee reports.

Thank you,

Mr. Stark.

Don't start with me. Start over there. I got to get out my folder.

Mr. Oakley, come here. Come here.

You're number one.

I'm trying to think if I have anything. I've been on vacation so much I I hadn't been around. So,

well, where's where's pictures of Montana?

Oh, I got them in this phone somewhere. Um, I really enjoyed being all over the country and u [clears throat] beautiful country out west and all. been in eight different national parks and just every view you have every morning you wake up and see the snowcap mountains and things of that nature that when you've gone to Yellowstone the Tetons glacier damp in Canada

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all beautiful beautiful properties that I'd never seen before so it's uh it was really rewarding and makes me appreciate what we have at home, too, cuz I'd rather live here than somewhere else. And and I love being here and living here in this area.

I love it.

That's all I got. So,

okay.

Well, and just like to express uh sorry for Jessica Waitman's loss of yesterday of her brother and uh send all good messages out to the family and all. If they need any help, be more than happy to help them. So, It was a satisfied day, Mr. Striker.

Okay, I have some photos. Um, I need my notes to remember what they were. Oh, okay. So, no, New Orleans. Um, we had uh a wonderful meeting in New Orleans. Um, and I was able to pass two uh three things out of my committee and I want to share them with you. Um, one of them in my committee again is community economic development and workforce of which sadly I am now the chair. Um, so uh we talked here about the HUD section 8 vouchers and how they are um going to people who do not live in the county but they come here because they get on a list and they get to take one of our precious housing vouchers. So, um, this passed unanimously out of my committee that, um, we would, uh, suggest that HUD change the language to reflect that 80% of the vouchers go to citizens currently living in the county. And, um, I I did accept a friendly amendment that or citizens who have a job in the county and they're living in another county. It's always better to live near where you work. um and that the remaining 20% um first go to someone who has family in the county or has a job pending in the county and and then after that then you can import from around the country but first take care of your local people and people were are still shocked to know that this is how that program is operating. So um this did pass unanimously. I have I have some copies of these. There's one for you and that way you can you can speak out there. Um pass those down. The next one came to me from our friends from the White House in the Trump's first uh administration um somewhere right in here. And that was to um change the um the uh the way capital gains is um administered when you sell your house. So right now, and this was done in 1992, when you sell your house, uh if you're a single filer, you have to pay capital gains. Uh you get to exclude $250,000 of your capital gains. Um, and a double filer, it's half a million dollars. And prices have values have gone up tremendously since 1992. And if you're an older person and your whole net worth is tied up in your house and you want to sell your house, buy another house, but go traveling or whatever with the money that you've earned in in your appreciation, you can't because you got to give it to the government. So the the proposal is to double that to 500,000 for single filer and 1 million for joint filers. Um at the same time the national or whatever the the mayor's association is called. I don't really know. Um they passed it and I have the national homebuilders association working on passing this as part of their resolution package and the national realtors association. And I've spoken to both um Congressman Billis and L Anna Paulina Luna. I don't I never know how to say her name. Um and they are both wanting to help on this as well. And same on the other one. The last one came as a little surprise. Uh it's not something I've been able to get out of my committee. Um but uh this deals with the Davis Bacon Act that we've all been upset about. Um and a and

a commissioner came in from Minnesota who said we have a short construction window in Minnesota. We have from May to October and we had a very large federal grant to build some kind of road or bridge or something and they almost lost it because they was vacant because they couldn't find anyone to do it. And so um they have suggested that you um adopt some that counties can adopt your own policies to um do these federal contracts and this unanimously out of my and um he didn't say the word Don my normal very very aggressive union guy was not there this time I don't know where he was so um we were excited this so this passed out of my committee it also passed other sorry some other committees as that um as did that uh capital gains one so uh that's even stronger when you've got more coming out.

Matter of fact, for the record, madam, in my committee, we passed the transmission committee.

Oh, is that that one on on the federal contract? Yeah. Yeah. I need to get that guy's name. I went out and like hugged

and you did a great job getting that thing spearheaded through because because it spread out not only just with what you guys done, it spread out with everybody. So, that's good. All right. I also went to the spir Oh, I need to say this. I, as I told you, I didn't apply to be chair, but they called me and asked me to consider and I said I'll do it for one year. Um, and then I'll think about it for the second year, but I I just saw just our county just sent out a PIO thing and I guess I'm vice chair of luck. I did not apply for that either. Um, not sure. I wonder if you cannot accept something. I don't know. I don't need more on my plate. Luck is the large urban county caucus. So, it's the big guys at makeup. Um, I went to the Spiros Proton Therapy ribbon cutting. Um, that that machine is amazing. Um, and it was a a really good turnout. We're just so excited to have Moffett here and to partner with them. Um, the county did a back to school bash at Ben Herrell Rec Center. It was a huge success. They had over 175 families come out to receive school supplies, enjoy the games and activities. Um, and I I have a letter from Pasco Hope here I want to read to you. That is our homeless shelter in my district. I hope you guys can get one in yours. Um, his name is Mark. Well, maybe I shouldn't say his name. I won't read his name, but he said to staff of Pasco Hope, "As I prepare to leave Pasco Hope and move into my own apartment, I want to express my sincere gratitude for the kindness and stability you provided during one of the most difficult seasons of my life. After losing my housing, I found myself living in my car at 67 years old, doing everything I could to find work and rebuild. It was a humbling experience. But when Pasco Hope hope opened its doors to me, you gave me something I needed more than anything else. A safe place where I could rest, care for my health, organized my life, begin moving forward again. What you gave me was more than shelter. You gave me the opportunity to restore my independence and my confidence. During my time here, my health improved, my finances became stronger, and I was able to prepare for the next chapter of my life. Soon, I will once again have a home of my own, and I will always remember that Pasco Hope helped make that possible. Thank you for believing that every person deserves the chance to stand back up. Your work changes lives and I'm grateful to be one of those lives. I leave with appreciation, renewed hope, and the determination to continue building a good life with heartfelt thanks. And then our client, isn't that? Yeah. So, I want to share that with you and I think that's it for me. Oh, and I did tour Marjgery's Hope Cinderella project as well.

Okay, I believe.

Yeah.

County administrator.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just really three quick items. First, I'd like to congratulate Adam Thomas who was recently recognized as a uh community leader by the Tampa Bay Titan 100. So that recognizes regional leaders in both public and private sector that demonstrate exceptional leadership, vision, and influence in their field. So we're we're very happy and proud of of Adam for that. Um the second item is um I just want to give a shout out to our purchasing department. uh they have earned the 2026 achievement of excellence in procurement award. So again uh you know managing our procurement process as I always like to say coloring within the lines and they do a fine job of that. Thirdly and um you know this is actually pretty good. You you may know that the state issues recycling numbers and ranks counties on how they fall uh in terms of a percentage of of recycling versus population. For the longest time Pasco County has kind of hovered in that uh of 67 counties. We've always been in the top 10. Uh I'm happy to say that we finally have moved the needle. We are now sixth in the state ahead of both Panelis and Hillsboro in terms of our overall recycling here in Pasco County, which is something really to be proud of. So that includes not only what we recycle and turn into energy, but also the businesses that contribute to that. So for example, recycled concrete and those other those other things that are that are recycled. We finally have a good handle on counting that. And so, uh, very, very proud that we are in the top 10% now officially of of Florida counties when it comes to, uh, recycling. And that is all. Thank you.

Even without our wine bottles.

I'm sorry, ma'am.

Even without recycling glass.

Correct. That is correct.

Okay. County attorney.

I do have something. Um, I know it's my first meeting. Um, but I want I'm already starting to make some changes here. So, I want to talk to you about revising your rules for public participation and public hearings. I did email you a copy of these rules. Um, but I'm going to pass them out to you again. So, as you know, um, historically the county attorney has read the zoning procedures before the public hearing. Um, I've always thought that really wasn't the greatest practice because, you know, telling the public and telling applicants the procedures two minutes before the hearing starts, I didn't think was the greatest practice. I really think they should be telling the public and applicants the procedures well before that. So, Mike, I'd like to get these rules published with the published agenda. actually could include a link to them on the published agenda and then hopefully put a hard copy in the boardroom so that the public and applicants know what the rules are in advance and not right before the public hearing. That's the first thing. The second thing is that the rules that were being read out loud didn't clearly distinguish between quasi judicial items on the board's agenda and legislative items. So, for example, for quasi judicial items, you have to swear in witnesses. is they're entitled to rebuttal, cross-examination. That's not true for legislative items. And so I felt like the rules needed to be revised to clearly distinguish between quasi judicial and legislative items. But probably the most important thing is that your current rules of procedure do not have what I would call rules of decorum. So for example, your rules don't address things like that you've said out loud, but you don't have any written rules to address them. Things like no clapping. Okay? So, you said no clapping, but you don't have anything in your written rules that actually say no clapping

or no political campaigning or don't put, you know, don't have signs on sticks or don't put obscene materials in your powerpoints or don't [cough] slanderous [clears throat] materials in your powerpoints. So, there's a lot of things that you probably don't want to occur in your boardrooms, but you don't have any written rules that actually say not to do these things.

How about cameras in your face? Well,

we've had that here in this.

So, so now Penelis County has rules of decorum and so I've drafted some draft rules that are modeled after Penelis County's rules of decorum. I think they're they're pretty good. Um the one rule that I did not that I added here that is not in Penllis Countyy's rules is rule 14 and that deals with animals in the boardroom. Um, the reason I had to add that rule is because we actually had a re a recent neighborhood meeting in Pasco where um some objecting neighbors actually attempted to ride their horses into the neighborhood meeting. So, so I added that. That's a Pasco specific rule.

Okay.

Um, that was added.

What's been your meeting, Oakley? [laughter]

Um, yeah. Actually,

get him upstairs here. Um, so I'm not sure you could get a horse into this boardroom, but but I think I thought it was appropriate to add a rule to address that. Um, now the clerk did give me a couple comments on some rules that I might need to add to this that I will incorporate, but my hope is to get these rules adopted by resolution of the board. I was hoping to get them adopted at your next meeting because we do have a couple controversial items that are coming to you at your next meeting. We have a agricultural enclave that is at your next meeting. I think the the Denton MPD is coming to you at your next meeting. So, I'm hopeful to with your permission I'd like to get these published for your next meeting and adopted at your next meeting. Uh unless you have some comments to them that you want to give to me, but um

we we should do that at the first part of the meeting. Yeah, that would be my I'd put them I'd get have them adopted by resolution at the first morning agenda. Um, but I'd like you permission to go ahead and put a link to them on your on your 25th agenda so that the public is aware that these are the rules that they're operating under for that agenda.

Okay?

Unless you see some issue with them that I need to fix. The clerk did bring my attention to one minor issue that I need to fix, but that's a fairly minor issue that I can easily fix.

I think if a board member's got any issues with any of them, we should let you know right away. You can look to make those changes if they sound acceptable to you.

Just write them down.

But go ahead with it. Get it ready. Get it published. So, it's just a simple adoption even before we even start our public hearings and we're going to adopt them then. But you can have the word out that it's proposed to be adopted at the next board meeting.

Okay, that would be my goal. I I just think the other issue that you're going to have is if we don't have these written rules soon, I think at some point you're going to need to remove somebody from your boardroom for violating these kinds of behaviors. And if you don't have written rules, you're going to have a legal problem when you remove them from the boardroom. There was a there's a recent case actually where the tax collector won his lawsuit, but he had to have somebody removed from the tax collector's office. And I think the reason he won his lawsuit is because he had clear written policies that that prohibited the behavior that he that he had the person removed because of that policy. So I think you need to have these rules in place if you're going to have somebody removed from your boardroom from violation.

I'm like it.

Okay. Anything else, Mr. County Attorney?

No, that was all I had.

Yes, sir. Um clerk um ask that I provide these to the uh to the commission if you would. So, if if I'll just read the uh email she sent me. During the July 14th board of county commissioners meeting, miscellaneous business was skipped due to a heavy agenda. On the July 14th agenda was noted item uh NI260924 which was in reference to audit number 254 uh dealing with the ambulance billing final report. The scope of the audit was an end to end review of the Pasco County Fire and Rescue accounts receivable recol uh reconciliation process. The audit period covered the billings from October 1st 24 through September 3025. The objective was to determine the procedures and controls in place supporting agreement between the billing system which is rescue net and the county's financial system munice. Based on the procedures performed, there were no findings or control deficiencies. Payment amounts in the billing system did reconcile to the financial system. Overall, Pasco County Fire Rescue's procedures and controls supported the accounts receivable reconciliation process. There were identified items to improve by reducing reliance on manual processes and updating existing policies to include some key processes. Thank you to the ambulance billing manager u Mary assistant billing manager supervisor Holly and the clerks and controllers finance director Matt Lazar and the associated teams for their assistance in that project. So all positive. Okay. Bottom line, all great. On July 8th, our office published the annual unclaimed funds with the Pasco or Tampa Bay Times and our uh office website. There is more than $290,000 in unclaimed funds between the clerk's office and the county. This is available to ask individuals and businesses review the list to see if they're entitled to reclaim these monies. Claims forms must be submitted to the clerk's office no later than September 1st. Instructions and claims forms are available on the clerk's website at www.pasco clerk.com.

What What happens to those funds if they go uncollected? Who gets them?

They go to the state.

The state. Okay.

Yep.

That's not right.

And it and it is amazing how much money I handle signing off on a lot of the checks and transmitts. It's amazing how many hundreds of thousands of dollars of funds from unclaimed taxdeed sales and just various things go to the state each year.

Got to talk to your husband.

Anything else?

No, sir. That's all.

Mother items.

There's two things on here I want to draw your attention to and then I I have to discuss something from the county attorney's office.

Then it's my turn.

Um All right. So the top one here um I I this was brought by a bunch of states so I want to show it to you. Um resolution on strengthening and sustaining the manufacturing workforce in the United States issue. The manufacturing sector depends heavily on its ability to maintain and attract a skilled workforce. If continued investments in the manufacturing workforce are not sustained in the coming years, counties and the overall economy will lose out on economic and social gains. The NAS Niko urges the federal government to work with local and state governments to build a strong workforce pipeline for the manufacturing sector by one funding programs aimed at creating opportunities for high school and post-secary students to explore career opportunities in the manufacturing sector and encourage encourage workforce development programs. Two, connecting residents with skills training, digital access, career navigation, and employment opportunities via workforce development centers, community colleges, and trade schools, thereby strengthening neighborhoods, and local economies. Three, designating scholarships and grants for students enrolled in vocational and technical schools. And four, developing strategies to support the growth of key economic sectors to support the retention and expansion of existing businesses, attract new businesses, and showcase the United States competitive business ecosystem. Taken together, these policies can advance equitable and sustainable development by helping manufacturers expand, collaborate, network, innovate, and hire. To me, this is one of the most important things facing our country today. We have to one of one of the most pressing things is that we have to rebuild all the munitions that we have ex expended and we don't have the workforce to do it. We also have to learn how to build our own ships. We haven't built a naval ship in decades. A Australia is building our ships for us. So the government is pushing out all kinds of programs. She can speak to that to get more people into these pipelines. So this is so important for us. This this last one, I want Kathy to pay attention to this because I don't know enough know enough about this one. Um, but I think it'll affect uh Commissioner Oakley's um what maybe what he's trying to do here or so let me know if we need to what we need to do on this one. Families for whom counties provide this is the resolution supporting family emergency shelter. Families for whom counties provide emergency shelter through a system that is funded 100% locally, not with federal dollars, are required to report the benefit as income, and that counts towards their income eligibility for federal programs. So, Niko is suggesting that they they urge the federal government to incentivize counties to provide emergency shelter to families in crisis. Niko further urges the federal government to remove financial penalties and disincentives that discourage or prohibit families in crisis from seeking

and securing emergency shelter when facing homelessness. I didn't know any of this. So, I' I'd like to learn more about this and um and see, you know, we can put our lobbyists on this because we don't need to be hurting families who are seeking help in a crisis. The last thing I I wanted to bring up real quickly, and I know I know you just took over and you and I talked about this, but it came to my attention that the contract for the sports for the park, VOP park, had been sitting in the attorney's office since January. And so, um, and I learned there's a bunch of others have been sitting there a long time. And so, um, we had a conversation. David came up with a great solution. Um, and he um sent the uh I think four or five parks and Rex contracts out to an outside attorney. But I know there's ch there's David has mentioned there's ch Well, why don't you speak for your office and what your plans are yourself? I won't speak for you.

Well, I mean there is admittedly I took over the office with a significant backlog of procurement items. Um, we also recently lost one of our procurement attorneys to the private sector. So, we have a deficit of procurement attorneys in our office. Um, we just hired a new procurement attorney from Bvard County who starts on the 17th. So, we're hoping that we'll alleviate some of the backlog. In the interim, we're also looking to send some matters, particularly some of the new DR matters that are coming into the office to outside council to address some of the backlog. Um, we're also going to be crossraining some other attorneys that don't do procurement now and procurement to address some of the backlog. Um, I'm working on trying to do some better metrics in our Prolaw system to figure out our response times to RS's so I can better track them and see when items come into our office and when they leave and so I can track them better to see how long they've been in our office. So, yes, I'm working on those improvements, but I've only been in this seat for a week. um only so much I can do in in one week, but yes, I have a plan of action to get it's my number one priority is to get the procurement items moving. Um but step one was to getting those things to outside council. But yes, I'm fully aware that we have that backlog and we're trying to get it taken care of.

Six months is better than what I think the uh utilities department went through when they had I think it was utilities three years getting their master water plan out. I don't know if that was procurement or attorneys, but I I understood that one was in there.

But I will say that as a general rule, it's it's more difficult to hire procurement attorneys than it is other types of attorneys. They're not.

So, I wonder if they're not easy to find.

Go to a law school and recruit and say, "Hey, we will pay your law school fees. You know, we'll pay x amount for every year you stay with us." I mean, let's let's get creative if we have a problem.

Um, we have there's we have we're doing that right now with one attorney. Um, we probably can look at doing that with procurement. It it's a little more difficult than it sounds because you can't you can't enforce slavery. I mean, there's there's

they signed on to it. They agreed to it.

Um,

so the constitution has something to say about that. [laughter]

So, but I'll constitution. Yeah. Um, but there's a there's a general issue with the law schools that they tend to put out personal injury attorneys and criminal attorneys more than they do contract attorneys. So, that's a general issue that I have with law schools generally, but I'll um but we'll look at doing something like that in the future. But, I have a plan of action. I just going to take me a little time to get it implemented.

All right. I'm going to pass these out and and can you give that other one to to Oakley? That did you give him one of the copies? This is what Nico's doing on Davis Bacon. I won't I won't read it, but we've made progress.

All right, that's it. Commissioner Jgo.

Okay,

I got

So, uh, we partnered with, uh, the animal shelter and got them a bunch of food and Home Depot was nice enough to donate drywall, so they're now going to be able to uh, do their kitten room. So, they were super happy about that. Oh, that was a dog food. Okay. Uh, this was our Moon Lake listening session that went very, very well. Um, thank you to David Engel and tons of staff that were there. Um, they really, I think, came in thinking we were going to tell them, you know, what to do and but really it was the opposite and and it was it was very great. They had some good ideas and they participated in all the exercises and we got some really good feedback and they're looking forward to the follow-up meeting. So, oh, and this was at Dunkin Donuts. It was a backpack event. So, our office donated some school supplies and it was great. The kids were super excited to see the dog and get all their school supplies. Okay. Oh, we had the pleasure of going out to see the dogs train at the sheriff's office. So, this was really interesting if you've never been out there, but uh we got to see the bite dogs. So they will even tell them like which corner to hit in their arm and they will hit it. So um yeah and these guys put on like a silicone silicone on their arms and then this this big vest this big suit but it's really really thick and they're purple. Their arms are purple like they're already they're already uh bruising the second they take the suit off. So uh that was really interested interesting. And also, I just wanted to bring up, speaking about the sheriff's office, um, I feel like we left on the camera readers that we just kind of left it out there. Um, I'm I'm very comfortable after, you know, what I saw at the sheriff's office where you have to have a case number. It has to be tied. You know, I feel like everyone is bringing up these examples and they're in North Carolina or they're in other counties, but in our county, we're not doing that. We are only pulling these up. It's not normal everyday people who are just driving by. We We can't tag those people. So, if you don't have a case number, if you don't have these specific crimes, they're not even looking at us. They're holding the data for 30 days and they're they're solving cases super quick. So, for me, I'd like to bring it to a vote today. I mean, would anybody support that? Keeping keeping our agreement with the sheriff's office with the card readers? Yeah, I'm I'm for I'm all for that.

So, you're a second?

Yeah, I can second.

Okay.

Commissioner Oakley, would you support

Would you support us keeping our agreement with the sheriff's office on the on the license plate readers that Pasco does things differently than other counties and people can pull up on YouTube and all these other things, but they they're not it's not Pasco County. It's not what we're doing. We're not keeping the data. It hasn't been hacked into and sheriff's office.

I actually think it's a great thing that we can locate people that abduct children and others right away or some action or some

uh it helps take those bad people off the road.

I agree.

Yeah. Now, at the expense of being searched, and you shouldn't be searched, you've done nothing wrong. having these cameras up everywhere. The data that's collected, you may say we're not doing anything with it, Brown, but the people that own it, the reason they're doing it so cheaply and expensively, they're making money from that data they're collecting.

They're not out there. But so let me say this before you guys make a motion before we before I call this motion. I think you should get more information because lit literally I've got the gains report that's here that says all the things that are wrong with it. The things that can go wrong with it. Todd Bailey I gave him a copy yesterday to go look at it and review it before you're going to make a decision on this. I think you ought to do more homework on it because right now that information is out there. There's a reason they're making money. That's because they're taking the data, they're manipulating it. And whether it gets stolen or used, whatever, it's something our citizens I've heard enough for one that they don't like it. And again, that's constitutionally that fourth amendment. I think it's something you got to be real careful, too. And I don't think we need to do it. And for all the down the side it could be. Matter of fact, even today, I was just at lunch. I'm going to read to you something. Didn't happen here. It was on Fox News at lunch, but it was just across the street.

Was it in Pasco County?

I just said I don't think it was in Pasco County. It was on national news.

Hang on one second.

Natasha is suggesting we start a contract attorney apprenticeship. [laughter]

I love it.

Yeah. Anyway, for some reason I'm pulling up. But

on Fox News, they had an article on it where a something was happening with a lady was tracked by a Flock camera falsely. I had saw another one where a lady was being accused. She had to prove that it wasn't her in a car and had to fight that battle for a long time till they finally dropped the case. So, there's negative things going elsewhere. And again, I'm not saying our people do anything wrong. I'm going to say Chase, the people we talked to, very professional. I think what we have is in place is good. However, what can be done with that information they can't control and you haven't even seen the contract and I wanted Dave to go look at the contract to find out are we being subject to uh a bad situation because of the contract they've written that we didn't see.

Okay. I first of all I trust our sheriff. I trust our sheriff's office. That that stuff is going on in other counties not in Pasco County. Those cameras are everywhere. They're at Lowe's. They're at the outlets. are everywhere. So that the the cameras that the sheriff's office has control of, I trust the sheriff. And also, you cannot see people's faces in those cameras. You see the license plate, that's it. And I'm not a big camera person. Trust me, I lived in downtown Newport Richie. I called Brad. I'm like, I got another freaking c speeding ticket. But they're not using it. They're not using it for speeding tickets. It has to have a case number. You're only looking at the license plate. And I I trust the sheriff. I don't trust other counties, but I trust Pasco County Sheriff's Office.

I It's not as bad as trusting the sheriff's office, but the information once it goes to Flock, Flock can do with what it wants.

But he say 30 days, it's done. And even Flock has to agree to their But Jack, you have a phone. You can say China, China, China, China.

Did you read the contract that the sheriff signed?

No.

Well, then how can you comment? what we're working on.

I'm asking the I'm asking the county attorney to review the contract before we bring it up, before we talk about any further to see what's in that contract. You don't even know what it is. You're trying to make a motion

contract, the old one or the new

the one for flock that's directly with the

leaving flock than going to Axon. Yes.

Whatever. So, even that conversation, I want to see that contract, too. I mean, our people being surveiled. I want to see what we're what we're surveilling, what we're agreeing to. Can I finish?

No. We had three votes.

You got

Doesn't matter. You're out of order. You're out of order. I made a motion and we have a second

and try and change our vote. I will call the freaking question.

I'm going to call the question.

All in favor?

I

I think we need to wait and read that contract and and do a little further research of that. I have I trust the sheriff's office, but I'd like to see some of that.

So that would be a So all two say I. Any opposed?

Two two.

I two two. Motion fails. Yeah,

I think we'll end the meeting on that bill.