8.5.25 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting

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All right, welcome to the uh afternoon session of the board of county commissioners and um please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones. We're going to proceed to the public hearings starting with our ordinances back to your afternoon

P33. So good afternoon commissioners, chairman. I'm Jerry Williams, administrative services manager, public infrastructure, fiscal and business administration department. And today uh this agenda item was continued from the May 5th meeting to the public hearing with guidance to research storm water system repair options and our public works department will be lead take leading on this uh follow-up actions. So they're actually pursuing. Yes, sir. We we need to get a record the proof publication.

Just show that it was published in one second.

This item uh was published in the April 16th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times for the May 6th, 2025 meeting where it was continued to today.

Yes, sir.

There you go.

So, I start over.

Nope. You can proceed right where you were.

All righty. So, this agenda item was continued from the May 5th meeting. So, our public's work department is now leading a follow-up action. So they're pursuing additional funding options and their staff will make a project proposal presentation at the 93 meeting. So for the recommended action is uh to deny the adoption of proposed ordinance.

Okay. Interesting. Um, Madam Chairman, if you'll recall, when this came to the board for the first hearing or for the adoption hearing, um, the board had concerns about that we had collected money in in this district, there were still outstanding issues.

Yes, that's right. And while the advisory committee recommended that the ordinance and the MSBU be dissolved and refunds occurred, the board generally was of the opinion that we should not

dissolve it, right? And that we should do the work out there.

Um, and so that was why you have the unusual recommendation to

after public hearing to deny adoption. Is this our second hearing on this? Because

this only needed one. Um but you continued it.

Yeah. Well, we some of us didn't want to get rid of these. It's hard work to get one of these and

um we want to continue and I think Commissioner wants to speak.

Thank you, Madam Chair, and I'm I'm delighted you guys did the research to go to go look into it because the people from years ago we established this were in dire needs of some help. I know we did a lot of great work out there, but with the money we have out there, I think there's still a lot lot more great work to do. So, I I look forward to your presentation coming up.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

And it keeps a vehicle open for other the community to do other things if they if they so desire.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay. So, I take a motion for

bring it back.

So, you're recommending a denial. So, where does 10 years worth of funds go?

So, the MSBU would remain in place. So when are we So this is this is my crux of it. For over 10 years we've been collecting funds and haven't done anything with the money. How expeditiously are we going to start putting these funds to work? To Commissioner Mariano's point, to Chair Starky's point, I mean how much more compounding of funds do we need to we can do anything with it? If it's another 10 years, there's no sense in holding hostage.

Go ahead, Commissioner.

Madam Chair, um so Commissioner Way, we actually did a lot of work out there. There's still a lot more to do, but there was a lot of digging that was done out there. I was out there on site when team was teams were doing it. There's still more to do and that's why I think we need to keep going till we solve these things that they're out there and there's still plenty to solve.

Yeah, we just have to be back through co whatever slowdowns, but right now I'm glad the team go looked at the improvements they could do and I tell you the team we have now is even so much better than we had when this thing started years ago. We've got some really talented people that get get a lot a lot of work done otherwise might have been even more expensive going through you know sub contracting out which I'm sure they've take a look at everything

and I and I can't wait for the presentation to see what they can do

and I think that presentation to answer your your fair concerns Commissioner Waitman should include things like schedule and what is it is that we're we're pursuing in terms of work and funding

that should be all

it should be everything

for all of them

across whether it's on the coast or

or wherever

did they have flooding here uh in um Hurricane Milton in this area.

I mean, it's wet year round.

So, the feedback So, ma'am, I I did visit the uh the MSPU and they said that that there was flooding in the area.

Okay. Yeah, let's let's let's, you know, fix it up. Certainly, when the time comes when they don't need any more repairs, we can keep the MSBU, but just put it at zero and keep keep it so in case they need it. But just don't collect any money if we don't need it. If they don't we don't need any money. We don't we shouldn't be collecting it.

Yes, ma'am.

That's right.

All right. So, I'll take a motion.

It's a

It is a public comment. It is a public hearing.

Public comment on the Fox Ridge MSBU.

Seeing no one move approval.

Second.

No one online.

No one's online.

Move approval of the denial.

Thank you.

And uh all in favor of the denial say I. I. Opposed.

Okay. P34.

We approve publication in the May 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th of 2025 editions of the Tampa Bay Times for the meeting of June 3, 2025 and where it was continued to July 15th, where it was continued to today.

Good afternoon. Amy Tall with Planning, Development, and Economic Growth. Item P34, PTE25-0166, is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Ordinance number 24-09 contracting and expanding the boundaries of the Two Rivers East Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida statutes, providing for miscellaneous provisions, and providing for an effective date. The request is to continue this item to the September 3rd uh public hearing in Dade City at 1:30. Did we advertise this as a continu?

Yes.

Then we don't need to vote on it.

You do need to vote on it. You don't need to.

Yeah.

Okay.

Move to continue. Time certain.

Second.

All in favor? I

I

All right. P35.

P35 PD25-0173. Sorry, I jumped the gun on that. We have proof publication of P35 in the July 9th, 15th, 23rd, and 30th editions of the Tampa Bay Times. Um, and uh, for today.

All right.

You don't need to read it. No.

Right. I mean, it's the same thing.

Okay. Um, move to continue.

Well, she needs to at least put the motion on the table for you. Um uh I don't have to do the motion. They do the motion.

No, but you cut the staff person off from saying approve the continuence to the September 3rd, 2025 border county commissioners meeting at 1:30 and dates it.

Exactly.

There it is.

And so if that's the commissioner's motion,

motion seconded.

Second.

All in favor? I

I

P36

P36 we have publication again July 9th, 16th, 23rd, and 30th uh 2025 editions of the Tampa Bay Times. Uh P36 is a similar action. PD25-0184, an ordinance amending the Pasco County Ordinance number 21-41 contracting and expanding the boundaries of the Two Rivers West Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190, Florida statutes. This is a continuence request to September 3rd in Dade City at 1:30 p.m. Move

to continue certain.

Second.

All in favor? I

I

P37 proof of publication June 25th 2025 edition tempe time supplemented by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Okay. Uh so we'll go into the zoning actions now. So P37 uh is a zoning amendment in the name of one Luchi Center. This is a change in zoning from AC agricultural district, R3 medium density residential district, R4 high density residential district and MF1 multiple family medium district to an I1 light industrial park district. It's located at the north or it's located north of CR, south of State Road 575, east of Pine Products Road and west of Bows Road. This is a continuence request to the September uh 3d public hearing in Dade City at 1:30 p.m.

to continue time certain.

Second.

All in favor?

I.

Item P38 is a zoning amendment uh in the name of Murphy Road MPD. Uh this is the Oakley Pasco County Property Trust. A resoning from RMH Mobile Home District and AR Agricultural Residential District to MPUD master plan unit development district to allow for the development of 672 single family detached units and platted town homes and associated infrastructure on approximately 118.82 acres. This is a continuence request uh to the September 3rd public hearing in Dane City at 1:30

and we approve the publication of the hearing of this matter in the June 25th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times.

Move to continue time.

Second.

All in favor?

I.

Thank you.

Madam Chairman, would you like me to read the procedures?

Yep.

There are two reasoning agendas. Regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition to the application, the application will be si considered with by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will give in five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicate will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff for planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during meeting. Otherwise, all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code.

Mr. Clerk, would you like to swear the public in? If anyone is anticipating to speak to any of the items on the agenda for zoning items, please rise at this time. Again, if you have any possibility or intention of speaking to any of these items, please stand, raise your right hand. Do you each and individually swear or affirm the testimony you will give in these matters is the truth. So, help God.

Thank you. Be seated. When you come forward to the podium, as the attorney mentioned, please give your name and address for the record and acknowledge that you were sworn. Thank you.

Okay. Uh item P39. Yep.

We have proof of publication of this item in the May 7th, 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times.

Thank you. So item P39 is PTE25-0202. It's a development agreement in the name of Homes by West Bay LLC to design, permit, acquire rightway, and construct a portion of Kefir Road and New River Boulevard in exchange for transportation development fee credits in the villages of Pasadena Hills. This comes with a recommendation of approval. clarification of the approved publication that was for the July 15 2025 edition or 20 June July 20 15th board of county commissioners meeting where it was continued to tonight.

Thank you. Okay, I'll go with the next consent item P40 which is PDE.

She needs needs to call. Is there anybody at

Yes. And I I just have a quick question. Um and then we'll see if there's someone that has public comment. Um, I was told in my meeting that there was a multi-use trail path on this road, but um, there is no road section. And I know it calls for typical some typical road sections. I just don't have those memories. There it is. It's that ginormous one.

William Vermillion Planning, Development, Economic Growth. This is the 142A typical phase one. This is for Kefir has the uh the multi or the the sidewalks in the first portion and then the 78A that will be internal to the development for New River Boulevard with the 8ft multi-use paths.

Right. Can you go back to the other one for a second? I'm just so curious. Is is this is this like one day going to be three lanes each way? Is I mean why do we have a 29 ft landscape area? This will be a total of four lanes in the future and those sidewalks will be expanded to 12 feet into the landscape area.

Oh, I'm just looking here. They're only 5 ft. The there's no multi-use path on this

for for phase one. Yes, ma'am. It the roads to be developed in two phases. This is just the first roadway typical section that was adopted in VOP. And so the second phase of this widens both sidewalks as well as to the four lane. And

that makes no sense to me. Why are we putting Why are we going to come in and tear up a sidewalk? Why aren't we putting a multi-use path down one side? There's plenty of room. Why would we tear something up and make make it so that you cannot cycle somewhere?

Sure. There there is the bike lanes within this typical section which

Are you going to let your kids ride in that bike lane?

If I if I if I had kids,

you gonna push a baby stroller in that bike lane?

No. If I had kids, no. Unfortunately, this is the the phasing that's set out within the enabling document of the BOP planning and policy committee.

I never noticed that did that no one ever catch that there's no multi-use path on this when we have 10 15 35 ft of rightway which someone crossing the street's going to literally have to run. That is 30 10 30 29 30 40 45 ft when you start to cross. I mean literally you're going to have to run across the street.

Madam chair, if I might.

Yeah.

Could we just pull this and bring it back? We'll have a little presentation.

I don't think there's anybody else here, so might as well just get it out. Uh Clark Hobby Hobby 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida. Ben Sworn. uh for your benefit uh we are actually building the 70A on for Kefir with a 12 foot multi-use path.

Okay, this is the right this is the 14.

That's just the typical we had to actually create a different crosssection for Kefir on this one and it had to do with some of the constraints of the old rideway out there and where the school's rightway edge was. We're actually building it on this one. But you're raising a good issue in that the that is the typical section that you see on the 142s and uh Mr. Urin has told us on several other projects including Kenton and on uh Mckendry that he would rather have the county pay us to go ahead and build both of the multi-use paths upfront. So, we're actually starting to do it and the county might want to look at the sections it uses. I don't disagree with you. I don't like the on street uh bike lanes myself. Um but that's what's in your comp plan, just so you know.

Anyway, on this one, we actually solved it working cooperatively with stab on it.

It's just it's such a wide tree uh road um

cross-section

crosssection. I I I don't know where I've ever seen this really. It's I don't know how we came up with this, but

well, I think uh Mr. Urin is looking at maybe reducing a number of these very wide ones, but he's also attuned to the multi-use path issue also.

Okay.

Um when it gets widened to fort, does it go to the inside or does it go to the outside?

Because we have a 32 feet on the inside. So, I mean, you can line that thing with pickle ball courts. Um what which way does it widen? Does anyone know?

Generally generally depending on the rightway constraints it's to the inside.

Okay. All right. Um so so is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this?

Okay.

Leave it on. Move it on consent then move on to the next

P40. We have approved the publication in the July 23rd 2025 edition Tampa Bay Time supplemented by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

Thank you. Uh so for items P40 and P41, there were exparte forms that were submitted after the agenda was published. We did send those to the clerk's office um for documentation. So item P40 is PDE25-0144. It's a development agreement in the name of Riverstone Rener MPUD uh KB Homes Tampa LLC. This is a second amendment to the development agreement or the DA to allow the developer to receive certificates of occupancy for 98 homes prior to completion of road improvements for the Rener MPD to clarify terms and conditions therein and rename the development agreement from Rener to Riverstone. This comes with a recommendation of approval. Is that the um Okay. Is there anyone here who wishes to speak against this? There's two for this project, right?

Correct.

You need to do them individually. Go ahead.

Okay. Um and I had questions of staff in my meeting yesterday that I asked to present today on this. So, um whichever one is appropriate. I want to talk about the multi-use path. So, I'll pull one of these off. Which is the more appropriate one?

Um probably the MPD substantial modification. Next item.

We have those answers. Okay. So, we'll pull that one off.

I would say yes.

Which one? 40 or 41?

41.

Okay. So, leave this one on then.

Okay. And then we'll go to 41.

Well, well, let's pull 41.

So, that's it. So,

I'll take the

Did you call for

Yes, I asked you to pull 41.

No. Did you call for public comment on 40?

Yes.

Okay. And I look to my board members if they had any questions too. Okay.

We'll approve the consent agenda except for P41.

Okay. Um and and my question that I asked um um the two aas in my well one aka and Joanna

in my meeting yesterday was

second.

You need

Oh, sorry.

All in favor? I

I

um I just was trying to get figure out the alignment of that multi-use path through this area. Sure. William Vermillion, Planning, Development, Economic Growth. I'll take us quickly to the uh to the cross section here. For the record on P41, we have proof of publication July 23rd, 2025 uh supplemented by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Thank you.

Sure. So that this 12-oot multi-use path is going to run the extent of the roadway segment that the applicant is charged with building under this uh this development agreement which is from their project access all the way north to the existing town home development to the north where pedestrian facilities are constructed along Wisteria loop.

Okay. So my question was what is the vision for the continuation of this multi-use path uh on Beexley because it's already built on part of Beexley. So is it on the north side or is on the south side as we continue west? And my other question was in the drawings that are in the packet um it stops before the entrance to the subdivision. So I was confused.

Sure. So,

if you could go to the one that has the red and the yellow and the blue

of the uh the exhibit packet of the development agreement.

See,

it has the trail on it's in 41, not 40. I learned that yesterday.

Okay, we may need to wait a minute to have those pulled up um from the agenda packet.

It it is a little confu it is a little confusing with the there's three different segments A, B, and C. So, there's an actual exhibit B which highlights that the typical section which I showed within my PowerPoint.

I'm not worried about that

is going to run the full length which would include that multi-use trail.

I'm I'm asking I'm more concerned about section C and I'd like to see it up there because on your map it stops before it gets to the entrance of the subdivision. So, I'm confused and it's on the other side of the street. So, I I just want to know Is this multi-use path because I think in Beexley I don't know I just want to see how this connects to the Beexley multi-use path and is and I asked this at my meeting yesterday that I gave forewarning I was going to ask this question today.

Sure.

What is the future alignment of that path heading west?

So it's it's in this is the MPD. It's actually in the development agreement. the exhibits. They're exhibits to the development agreement.

It's page 13 of 14.

So you're you're at it's what I believe it's Ardan Preserve is the development there to the north on Clark's that was one of Clark's on the north but

on your drawing it doesn't go to the entrance. It just goes to the corner of the property.

Sure. So, I did uh respond to this uh yesterday. This question was asked of me. And if this doesn't clarify um your question, then we'll we'll talk about this exhibit as Gina's pulling it up.

Wait, you want me to look up those legal

He's just going to he's just going to read you some stuff that he's pulled up. Gina's going to pull.

Okay.

Just so we can have a visual exhibit up here of the three segments. Um the I the multi-use path does not stop along the eastern boundary and the multi-use path runs the entirety of the northern segment of the roadway that the applicants responsible for constructing. This is the the same commitment and typical section of roadway that was previously approved by the last development agreement which the board approved last year in 2024. The multi-use path will cross.

You passed it right there. Can you blow that one up?

Yep. That one there. Yeah, you have to turn it clockwise.

The A, B, and C.

Okay. Where's the entrance to that subdivision?

And you know I right or wrong, I'm just curious why it doesn't go to the entrance of the subdivision.

So there is an existing past the entrance of the subdivision. There's existing pedestrian facilities that this does connect to. So even though this multi-use path doesn't go to the entrance, if we were to pull up the aerial on Pasco Mapper, Ardan Preserve was required to build pedestrian facilities within the ride of way along the frontage of their project, which this segment is connecting to with their pedestrian facilities. There's a currently a 5-ft sidewalk along Ardan.

Well, that's not a multi-use path. No, no, it's not on Ardan. But I

But where's Ardan? And Ardan. Wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me

So Ardan is that development to the north.

I'm not talking about that way. I'm talking about the other way. I'm sorry.

Oh, to

I'm talking about the blue section. Section A.

Okay. So the the blue section still also

I see. I'm I'm getting Ardan mixed up with Rener,

right? So Rener Rener is the MPD that

that's already built.

Yeah, this is the one that's building it. There will be 12 feet along that blue section as well.

Okay. So, at Rener, um, this goes to their entrance

because it's not going across their whole front. And so, I'm wondering why

it is going to their entrance. Yes, ma'am.

But it's not covering the rest of their project.

So, who's going to be responsible for that multi-use trail? It goes to their project boundary on the west. Theoretically that would be development that comes in in the future within that vacant piece of land would be responsible for then the improvements of Beexley and Wisteria loop. So they would be responsible much like this.

Why did go to the Why did they not have to construct it? Our

Okay. I think Beexley is an arterial or a um whatever road, right? collector

collector which requires a developer to either put a sidewalk or multi-use trail in front of their project. It looks to me like we're stopping halfway through their project. So, I just I didn't understand that.

A little bit of the rationale, too, is how much further offsite improvements that they're doing. Uh

they could have done it on their own property that they're buying,

right? But they're they're connecting all the way up to Ardan Preserve and realigning the road for us.

How about going the other way?

No, I I I'm saying that's part of the rationale for for this development agreement is the other infrastructure improvements that they're doing offsite. The the CSX line um that you can see over to the left side of the page really prevents Beexley Roadway um from being improved past the CSX line just because it needs to be an above grade crossing at this point. Well, I I just don't understand why it didn't go across our whole front.

Will correct me if I'm wrong. This is what the board and the developer agreed to. The purpose of this particular modification is to allow them to have more cos and to have not had the infrastructure in place yet.

Yes. Yeah.

So, I mean, the board's kind of already

Yes. The cart has left the the horse has left the barn.

Correct. I think we messed up not requiring them to

I I recall there was substantial board debate on this one. Um

well we we we did over by um Ray Gad's house and the sheriff's house, but I thought our code required them to put something in front of their development, either a sidewalk or multi-use path.

Could have been part of the agreement. I I don't know. You know, when we make agreements with developers, sometimes, again, I'd have to go back and check the record on it, but this is what's codified in the agreement. And again, what's before you really is uh allowing them to have the additional cos and thus accepting a performance bond to ensure that the

Yeah.

what the board required at the time gets built.

Do we have a clear mad chair?

Yeah.

Do we have a clearer map to show exactly what's going to be built in? Would you like the the GIS aerial to be pulled up? Would that be more clear? Would you like the master plan of the sub master plan, please?

So, if if we actually go to mapper, some of these units are already platted. So, it's even easier to see.

Excellent.

On GIS than the master plan, which previously didn't have platted lots, right? So that there's that that context map actually shows the the plats there.

I can't see what's in front though, can you?

Okay.

Now, on this line,

can we zoom in on that?

Is it going further to the west than what you're showing on the other one?

Oh, if you'll just pull up that context map that was on the PowerPoint and zoom into that. So that's the the actual plat of the neighborhood currently.

Oh, I I don't think the trail's even on this thing.

No, no. This is just an aerial map to to show the the lot lines in the area, but this gives you an idea of what the neighborhood looks like because it's already platted with its internal streets.

Madam Chair,

I mean, we need a better description. If it's just stops at their entrance, that's not a good thing. Especially because the people to the side may not develop. There's only a little sliver there.

I know. I don't understand how they how our

And it says Beexley Road, Wisteria Trail, and then down the road you get the extension may go under. I mean, we got to we got to get this finished.

I think that's

this is 108 units. You've already approved it.

This is changing the timing of of a requirement,

so I'm not All right, let me ask this way. Is there is there rightaway there for us to come in and continue that? Was it preserved?

I can't answer that for you.

I'd have to ask along this property. Yes, we have rightaway, but there's not sufficient rightaway as you move further west. Uh the development that came in would be responsible for dedicating the rightway there. So did so do we have it on their side

on the on the which

I mean the trail can cross the street.

Which side? When you say this side, which side are you talking about?

The south side.

Yes. So we'd need right away on on both sides if it's not within the subject property or within the confines of this development agreement. If you were moving towards the CSX line,

do we have dedicated rideway on the south side of the road to continue a multi-use trail

where after they stop

on the applicant's property? Is that

on the applicant's property?

Yes.

The this project gave sufficient rideway as a part of their MPD conditions.

They're just not constructing the path to the end of their property.

I I I want the applicant to confirm that. Yeah, there.

Sorry, because I I saw what happened on that other road in Land of Lakes, two two neighborhoods.

Thank you. Shelley Johnson, 6400 Madison Street, and I have been sworn. Just to provide a little bit of further background, we already have the county permits for this improvement project. The county is the actual applicant for the 404 permitting to which they've already started that process as well. So the actual design has been approved. It's, you know, engineered, you know, we're we're really far along in terms of changing, you know, how far the path would go west.

Seeing if we messed up or not

as far No, no, we we did what we were told. I mean, typically what you see with these MPDs, I don't um, you know, there's a variety of different roads I can think of where, you know, they go from one entrance to the next entrance in terms of what they're building, that segment of that roadway improvement. This is exactly what this one did. It actually got a bigger segment heading east obviously, but that multi-use trail goes from it's on the north side. It goes from the entrance all the way to the Ardan preserve existing sidewalk because our preserve is already built.

We have to fix that.

Yeah. The south side they took the sidewalk all the way across, you know, all the way from their entrance all the way to tie into the existing tiein of the road improvement. Um, you know, where they the realignment then ties into the existing alignment. So, they've done everything that they've

So, are you there? um at if you go out the entrance

and you turn left, there's a sidewalk on the south side. Now, they have constructed a sidewalk on the south side.

I do not know what their plat showed if they put a sidewalk on the side. They have dedicated

I can't tell from this.

They have dedicated all of the rightway that they were required to dedicate under the corridor maps and then the MPD approval for sure. So,

yeah. And and I know but that's not what I'm asking.

I know they I know that you all that engineering is done. I'm just seeing if we preserved enough to continue. That's all

on that

because it gets very narrow on the north side. You can see that that wetland and lake or whatever is there. So the the trail would and this is why I was asking staff what is the vision for that to continue to the west because it really has to cross the street. The only information I have about that is of course there at some point they don't control the rideway head and west anymore. But my understanding is there's there's missing rightway segments for that segment of the Beexley extension and you know there's no PD or anything like that. So I think as they you know plan in the future and make that connection where there's that gap that hope you know obviously they will account for the multi-use path because obviously this is you know created a nice spot for them to do it on the north side. Um I don't I don't believe there's any plans or anything. I don't know if anybody from the staff knows.

So, let me ask you again, Shel. Sorry. Looking at this.

Is there a sidewalk

built to the left to the west of your entrance in front of your project?

I'm looking at my client because I honestly I don't know because when I've gone up there, I've never really paid attention to that part. I was looking at the other side of it. So,

yeah.

Andy Greenwood, zoom in. I can show you the Google Earth image of the sidewalk.

It's just a yes or no. We we can't see it from here.

Yeah,

it's there.

You want to put put his phone over there then?

Isn't that the same image?

I think he has a photograph.

She's speaking to the west though. She wants to know any pedestrian facilities to the west to the east. So, no, there are not.

Do we know if the rightway is there? That's the biggest question.

Yeah. So, do we have the rightway preserved from you guys?

Click on this triangle.

And why didn't we ask of a sidewalk

down?

This is a this is a platted subdivision.

Um, we've dedicated all right away as necessary for the zoning condition.

You I know what you're saying, but I'm I'm saying

see that triangle towards the

You've got a sidewalk in front of your project to the right, but you didn't do it on the left.

I I I understand. I I do want to ask though that we are not I mean I didn't anticipate

yes

design we're not changing we're not changing we're not I'm not asking you to change anything

okay I just wanted to ask

I'm saying I think

we messed up

madam chairman

so that you're showing right now we have the rightway in front

yeah that was the biggest concern and and I want to say these guys did a great job working with us building in front of two other pieces of properties that didn't get done to make it happen and it took a major thing to get the approvals done environmentally etc so what they had

well they're not done with that yet.

No, I know. But but I mean that's why we're giving them extensions so they can keep on building. So

your I think your concerns and our concerns we have the rightway when it's going to get ready to connect.

We'll make the connection happen. So I'm going to

because we can't go do it on it'd be very hard to do it on the other side.

That's why they did such a great job making it happen on the other side. We really needed those connection.

When you do the multi-use path on the north side, it's going to need to be it's going to need to cross the street and continue on the south side in my opinion. But I am not the active transportation planner. Um, yes.

Good afternoon, board. Um, chair David Allen, assistant administrator for development services. And so, I think this is a really good picture because a couple of things. Number one was was as as we met yesterday and had the conversation, the exhibit that we had showed the multi-use path on the north side stopping right at their

entrance

at No, it was actually shown at on their easterly project boundary. Right. Yeah.

And so what what they've agreed to do is build that all the way up to their entrance. Um and so the idea here was that they would have continuity from that point moving easterly all the way over to the other side. And so that's why we didn't have them

build the westerly portion is because they had a lot of offsite improvements in order to make this project move forward. So, um to everybody else's point, I think yes, we do have the rightway um dedicated for that and we'll u be looking at whether there are other projects that move forward that would complete that construction or the county would contribute to building out the

That was my question. Yeah. So, good question.

I hope that provides clarification.

We got it now. So,

okay. Um this is a public hearing. Did anyone else uh wish to speak to this item? Again, seeing no one move approval.

Second.

All in favor?

I.

Okay. All right. Um, we are two commissioner items.

Okay. I will start with mine. Um, I'll bring uh Ralph. You want to come forward? Put Ralph to work. So, we want to discuss federal lobbyist uh change uh hoping to bring back uh

Skoyak. Is that where you pronounce his name?

Perry.

Did you want to do the federal first or the state?

Federal Federal.

Okay. Good afternoon, Ralph Lair, intergovernmental affairs officer. So, Commissioner, based on our conversation, you just asked how uh the federal uh our federal contract, which is with Ballard Partners, has been doing since they uh took over the beginning of the year. Um

they they could do better. Um the initial person that we had the Go ahead.

Go ahead. the initial person that was assigned to us only engaged about four times with me. Uh we had um meetings up in Washington, Commissioner Starky. I know that was a concern review, the meetings that we had in um Washington when we were up there um with our county administrator. Um so, you know, all I can say is could we do better? I think uh I think Vance Skoy did a good job. Um the previous one we had. Um I understand why you all made the decision based on on the the connections that Ballard had. Um what worried me uh early on was initial comment that uh we would probably be their last local contract um that they would deal with um at the at the state club. So it doesn't look doesn't look like we were getting our bang for our buck that we were spending.

Maybe it's best for us to go back to the person we used.

Harry is Harry's great guy, but

and we did get more back from that individual.

Madam chairman.

Yep.

So this is a contractual engagement. You need to follow the terms of the contract with Ballard in terms of termination, whether it's for cause or for convenience. And you can't just go back to Vansoyak. You need to rebid the project.

Actually, as I understand it, with purchasing, um, we could

not do that and piggyback off of a contract that they have with

that's still a competitive arrangement.

Okay, that's going through that's still going through the purchasing process. If you can piggyback somebody else's contract with Venezueling,

but but you do as the board have the right to break the uh break the agreement if you so choose to do that. Madam Chair.

Yeah.

I don't think if you looked at Harry's first year, second year, we really got much out of it either. It takes a time to build it. Um, and I like Harry, great guy. I've met with Ballard. Um, frankly, we've been trying to work with getting a contract with Dawson Associates. I guess we're just about there. Uh, to engage with the Army Corps between the 404 permit stuff, between uh the Four Rivers Project, Sun West. So they were Dawson was very effective to work with. They talked with Ballad. They were very happy to work with them. Um so you never get anything the first year and right now with all the cuts and things that are going on in DC. Um I don't know if anybody's gotten a lot compared to what they might have gotten yesterday with anyone in their first year contract.

Um Commissioner Jagger.

Yeah. Um, from the get-go, I, you know, I wasn't I wasn't a fan. So, I'm going to just voice my opinion again that, um, I definitely don't think, um, that was a good choice for us. I don't think, you know, if you think four times that you had interaction and um, I also was in Tallahassee multiple times and really didn't have any connection with them either. So,

no, no, they're they're only federal.

Oh, we're not talking about this. Ballard. Oh, Ballard. Sorry,

wrong one.

Um,

did we How many years did we sign? How many years was our contract supposed to be?

Three.

Well,

sure.

Yeah.

Is that a jump? Can we send him a

Hey,

this is

Yeah. this a cure notice or something like it's been a few months and it's not necessarily the best look for us as a customer either. We

I think if we send them a letter like hey we need we need a little more attention out of you if not then it's not cure this I know this is a unique contract we'll be you know looking at separating

Yeah. And maybe they don't want to keep us

Yeah. Maybe they may say we got all that we can handle and it's a polite hey thank you thank you and then we go about our business

and and one one second and and you know what would be telling we're going to have discussion on a federal item which is the housing authority vouchers and will are they willing to participate in our conversation. All right.

That it'll show it'll show something if they come and someone comes and talks with us and and schools up on it and is a part of our work or discussion.

So again, I I I talked with them before um as we're trying to bring I said Dawson Associates on that happy to work with them. They met with me uh talked with them and then they're engaged. If you don't ask them for something then how can you expect to get something?

So that's got to be on us. You only had full communications.

We don't ask enough to

again and it's been a very tumultuous time up in DC

with a new president and all that he's had going on. So if ever the time that things have been changed, things have been pulled back, things been cut, etc. With all that said, it's hasn't been easy for anybody. But right now, as I say, I've set up the engagements coming up. I'm actually going up there the 14th. Um, plan to meet with them, but I wanted to make sure we were set with our contract before I confirmed an appointment with them. But when I met with them before, they gave me 45 minutes to an hour of time to talk about what was going on, etc. So, I think we need should stay at least to the end of the term and maybe take a look at it then. But like I said, I've got things working right now that we need. I mean, C Pines, we just got that permit, but I still got another phase to go with that. So, I need that armor court relationship and I think they could help, you know, with what Trump did to get Ridge Road done. He's the one who made it happen. If he even gets regulations out of the way, never mind money, it's going to be helpful.

Yeah, it was Ballard who went in there with Weatherford, got that over the hump.

Well, the reason I brought this up was the fact that it doesn't seem like we've been receiving good information.

I think we give him a warning shot across the bow.

Okay. I was going to suggest if this is, you know, a little little new for me here, but I I would suggest that listen, Ralph can maybe talk to you individually, see what kind of feedback we we would like to give to our lobbyists or if you want to do that here, that's fine. Um, and and not just federal lobbyists. I think all of our lobbyists as we as we come in, it's probably an ample opportunity to kind of provide a little bit of a report card and then we can sort that out. I do agree with Commissioner Weightman. I think, you know, some kind of notice um is is necessary if if we're not happy or or impressed. And I I sense there's some differing opinions here on on the board and how we can handle that. But let's let's at least take that feedback and have an open honest conversation with the lobbyists and before we make any decisions moving forward.

Yeah. These Sure.

Yeah.

These relationships work both ways. I think we need to clearly define our expectation.

Correct. in our and what we clearly expect out of our investment into their firm and they agree and they see see clearly now they better understand us as a customer and we better understand them as our customer

maybe it'll be be good

yeah and you know if they're actively working for Mariana we certainly don't want to out on that

and um and and we do want to let them know whatever it is that we decided on

this voucher program. That's a federal thing and we need them to be here with some guidance.

Okay. So, now Commissioner Commissioner Oakley.

Okay. Then the uh the other we were going to talk about our local lobbyists, but um we probably need to do it the same way. Bring them in or I'll let Ralph take the lead on that.

Well, I thought we were talk I heard discussions about going from three to two.

Yeah, this is a different discussion. So I mean

and I'm okay with that.

Same.

Yep.

So I think I again I think same thing.

Little more discussion please.

Sure.

All right.

I want you I want you to all recall the previous year we had stuff gone through legislature and everything got whacked. Right. This year we had things go through. Not everything we wanted. We're still going to go work for more. But we got a lot more by having the three.

I haven't heard all we got yet.

What's that?

I haven't heard. Has he given us a legislative update?

Yeah, I I didn't

We did that. But I will I will

So So all the things you put in

most of it went through and stayed and got the governor's signature. I think it took all three of them to keep all three things together.

Many for the dates.

I know, but we can go back again.

We got more out of two of them than we did all three. one that I didn't think that we actually were able to go through with. I mean, they showed up sometimes in a meeting even know who they were, but I mean,

you may have been doing real well.

You may not have had the inter the interaction you wanted, but look at what happened. The governor signed our monies that we got and we didn't get that last year. And if I don't think if we didn't get Slater on the on the team,

we didn't get all signs. Well, no. I know we we didn't get everything we wanted, but literally from what we did the previous year to this year was monumental. And it wasn't just getting it funded because we had a lot of stuff funded last year, the previous year, but this year we had the governor signing our things to get our funding. And if you don't get that third wheel, those first two don't matter.

I I just want to put my two cents in. Um I said from the get-go, I feel like we only need two. I think three is a a waste of money. I also think we got what we got this year because we have Hooper as the approach chair. That's that's a big deal.

Um, and I agree. I feel like only two lobby firms did did most of most of the work. So I I'm just for two, not three,

you know. Um, for me, okay, what did we get? We got the road project by Hooper House, you know, down in Trinity. We've got the curly road.

We got the sidewalk.

We got the fire station.

So, we did not get our our our um storm water project.

Um

I don't understand.

We did not get our the Pasco shelter.

You got to remember we're we're still on a little bit of a naughty list.

I don't think we got that much. I mean, those aren't real big numbers.

Go look at what the city's got. Put that on the list. I'll I'll I'll say this.

What did the

our counterpart our our our uh county to the uh south of us by now has got zero.

Zero.

That's like us typically. We usually get vetoed. Um zero. Holy cow. What did Hernando get?

Wasn't prepared to answer that one. Sorry. I was just aware of that.

That's crazy. Um, I I think I need to do a little homework and digging to see if I mean we all have connections. We can see if there was if they did any lifting. Let's let's all do our own sleuththing and see if that one firm did any lifting.

Hang on for just a second

because I know the other two worked very hard.

Ruff, what are the other What are the other monies that we got from the cities?

There's a lot more money from the cities they got, too.

But they're not hired. They didn't.

Yeah. So, the cities did very well all their asco.

Pasco as a whole did very well for the things that were asked for,

but the city has does the city have their own lobbyists?

Yes. Majority of the ones that had the uh had the funds, they had a lobbyist for

Right. So, that doesn't come from our lobbyists.

No, I'm not saying it does, but I'm saying as far as like

count the cities.

Well, I'm saying if you want to look at what all of Pasco got, all of what we're doing. But that's not that does that's not because our lobbyists got them.

If you give me a moment, I'll get my computer and I'll pull that up.

The cities had their own.

I understand. But I'm saying if if you just miss one of the those bits of funding, how much did you let how much you save? If you get if you don't get the fire station that Representative Jagger and Burgess got together, that one thing alone, which is a big unique thing. If Trinity Boulevard doesn't come through, either one of them for 60 grand, what are you thinking about? It's worth to me. I I I take that as insurance marker all day long because one signature from that governor

can take away a project and he's the one who had the connection.

He he he does have that.

That's what the governor

that's why we got killed last year. I think we the reason we got all that was we had the connection with the governor and that's why we need all three of them

and Senator Hooper was a broker.

It doesn't matter. The governor doesn't sign it. He don't get it goes away. I

understand. Did he did he sign them or let wait till July one

had to sign he could veto every one of them?

He cannot sign and it still be approved.

It just

compare year to year and see what we got what we did where we held again. So would the board like us to maybe bring something back at a later meeting after you had an opportunity to and we can you know we'll we'll take direct

again I'm satisfied with two of the three the third one which is the one in question I was following along I like I'd like again like with Ballard I think they I think they need to understand our expectation, what we'd like to see out of them, and vice and vice versa. Um, and then go from there,

you know. Um, we could do a little test bunny next year and give them a big project and see what happens.

If we have three next year,

if we what?

If we have three.

So,

yeah, if we have three like the Pasco one that is so important that didn't get any money, the dead city one. Madam Chair, the reason I brought this forward is cuz there's some misunderstanding of what what they did for us or each each what each one of them did for us. But I think we need to have this conversation so that all of us can think this out. We should meet with Ralph each of us and discuss what you feel with him so we'll be better prepared to come back. Yeah.

And make the right decision.

That sound good, Ralph? I I think that's that's

and that's the reason I brought it up not to necessarily take action today, but everybody can be thinking about what they want to do and and what they did do and then come back to us and let's discuss that what each one of them did that each of us can put in the pot cuz what Jack's reaction with Ballard and others or the one in uh Washington DC I'm not I I mean, I understood he went up and met with them, but I I'm not

you're not

up up to par with what what went on actually.

And we speaking of that, I do want to make sure we told everyone when we were up in Washington and we went around that we were going to be doing working with DOT on money for 5441. And I have I haven't seen we were going to try and get our cong all our congressional delegation to sign on to an ask So, I've not seen any movement on that.

So, on that particular one, um they're doing a reauthorization bill for the transportation service reauthorization bill. Separate bill. Um Commissioner Bill uh or Congressman Bill Arachus did ask for separate projects, not the projects that we, if you remember, they did not fund um member uh requests for 2025. So, we resubmitted those for 2026. Both Congressman uh Bill Rakas and Lee resubmitted their projects, but we did submit projects for the resurfacing Bill of Ragas. And we did ask for rightaway funding for 5441 in hopes that it would speed up DOT and move it up higher at the state level.

And did we get letters from Rubio and Scott, which we told them all that we were going to be asking for them? at this point. No, we're going to um we can um I'll be meeting uh we'll be having meetings with them in the next two weeks, all four offices. So, I can bring that up with them.

I you know, I've learned that that's what the other counties do to help get these through is they get their congressional delegation behind them. And frankly, that is a regional one and we should ask Kathy Caster to sign it and everybody in the area. So, okay. And we should bring up that other organization about the um housing.

Yes.

While you're having that meeting as well

since you have a captive audience.

Well, yeah, if we do if we are going to have a delegation meeting, we we definitely want to get our get our tees crossed and our eyes dotted so that we can ask intelligently for them to fix that thing.

Okay.

I've been trying for years. So, I was I was saying

for the jail

with Scott's office.

Oh, yeah. But, um, with you two on, you know, I I'm I'm hopeful for more traction because I I've been outraged about it for a couple years. Okay. Um, what else, Commissioner Oakley?

That's all I had.

Okay. U Commissioner Oakley. Um I saw in the paper about the Tampa Bay Water and um when I was on Tampa Bay Water, we signed on to the um PAS lawsuit.

a long time ago, right?

So um I understand that they are getting quite a bit of money

and I've missed a meeting, so I don't I haven't been given that information. So 21 million.

Yeah. So, um, if you see what's going on in Temple Terrace, you know, the government set unrealistic numbers for us all to I don't know if we have any form here from utilities. See, Brandon, um, the government set unrealistic PAS numbers to to attain. If you remember that discussion, it's it's it's like they it's almost un it's like impossible, right?

I'll turn it to you.

Yes, ma'am. Adolf Gonzalez, utilities engineering and contract management director. We will be receiving PAS settlement funds as well, but as I understand it, Pasco is in the second group of agencies that will be receiving PAS funding. He Bay Water was in the first group.

And I understand our PAS money is going into our fire fighters, our fire

there were two claims filed. The initial claim and why we why we engaged outside council was the fire training facility. Yeah. and the contamination or the positive results that were coming up in the land around that area. Um I understand that utilities at that time didn't have a large concern. Since then the numbers have slowly gone up in the chem the laboratory analysis that I think utilities has done but I but we are making claims on both the fire and the utilities side. I think what I had communicated with you was we got into the litigation because of the through the training,

but we're part of Tampa Bay Water and Tampa Bay Water is getting a settlement. So, um and so some of the Tampa Bay Water will come to the Pasco County facilities that are part of Tampa Bay Water. I mean, what do they what do they do? Can you report back to us how they're going to

I can report back and I have to I missed that many other member of the board.

Okay. I was looking at him.

Okay.

All right. So, I I think it was about $12 million or so.

No, it's more than that.

28.

21 or 2.

Yeah, I think it's in the 20s.

So, they planned they didn't plan to send it to each of the counties. I don't believe. I think they're going to put it into other things into the in into water projects.

Well, they've got to figure it's got to be like filters or something to pull out the PAS in my opinion. Why Why would we want something else? We don't want to leave the PAS in our water.

No, no. What I'm saying is that don't look to get a check back from them. They're going to put it I think internally going to do projects with it to go

put it in projects or go out in the future.

21 million.

So we're going to stay with the PAS, not clean it up, but build new projects.

No, ma'am. We will actually be cleaning up, remediating the PAS in our systems. Tampa Bay Water is taking the lead on the regional water supply system, and then we'll be doing the same for our isolated wells that had higher um

Okay. Where are you getting the money from? We are currently budgeting the five-year plan. I believe 20 or$22 million over the next five years for some PAS removal.

I feel like the Tampa Bay water money should be going to cleaning up.

Let me let me try it a different way. They will be we buy bulk water from them. They will be treating it before it gets to us.

Okay. But I just I heard they were putting in the new supplies. What I heard Commissioner Mariana saying, which is not the same as treating what we've got. Well, I think they've got

two to three bad treating the water before we get it. So,

that's that's what I care about.

Yeah. And we we've got a couple bad wells in Tampa Bay water. So, they're going to figure out what they're going to do when what's the best thing to do. Do they shut it down or they open up a new well? They're going to look at what's the best thing to do with this.

I don't know about you guys, but I have a neighborhood in my district in Holiday that is not on Tampa Bay Water. It's a private utility, Sunshine, something out of um Orlando. and they had seven wells and they had to shut six of them down and they left one open so they could still provide water but it's very contaminated water and skills is on that water I we have a water fountain and you cannot use that water you cannot drink that water the levels are through the roof

can't buy water so

no and they wouldn't let us buy them out and connect to our water

oh they're private

yeah semol county is buying them out um and and we should try again because I don't understand how They're allowed to deliver that water to people. It's not a high income area. They all get sick. It's not It's not right. Okay. Commission. Thank you. That's my little update. My question back information on that.

Okay.

Seth,

nothing pertinent, but just want to wish everybody's mind school starts back next week. Everybody who's out traveling, be patient. best to the parents and the teachers and the students on the 202526 school year. And um also be remissed if I didn't wish Commissioner Oakley a happy 80th birthday.

Great milestone. July 29th.

Wow. Good.

I don't know if we should sing or not. Bring in Don't want me to sing? You don't want

Happy birthday.

All right. Thank you.

And uh that's all I have.

Commissioner Jagger.

Okay. So, um, as we know, Governor Dantis has, um, requested that the counties participate in the the doge.

Um, I feel like we need to, um, follow Penllis and Hillsboro and our other counties lead. They are participating and I think Penelis and Hillsboro just started their audit recently. Um it's I think it's best for our citizens for transparency to know that um we're being effective and efficient. So I asked the county administrator to draft a resolution. Um and I'm asking um you guys if you would support that.

I thought they had done this.

No. Nope. We're on the list. We were not on the list for there were I don't know how many counties on the list, but we were not one of them. Okay.

So,

I did have one question on this.

Um, why are we calling out CRAAS? Is is there any certain reason why you did that paragraph on the CRA? Not that they're my favorite thing.

It says, "Whereas the P Pasco County Board of County Commissioners does not have jurisdiction or oversight over community uh redevelopment agencies formed by municipalities under section block."

I asked for it. Oh,

and a fair amount of your property taxes are going to the CRAAS.

Okay. All right.

And that's one of the things they are going to be looking at.

Yep.

Okay. Well, I'm fine with it. Do you need a motion?

We'll just bring it back next meeting.

We're It's here. It's ready to go.

The resolution's here. I'm just asking.

It's gone through the county attorney and the county administrator. If the board wishes to adopt it,

make a motion.

All right. So I move to approve uh the resolution.

Second.

All in favor? I

I think our numbers are going to shine.

All right.

This is residents will be happy.

So

yeah, this is Commissioner Jagger. Thank you for for bringing this forward. Wallet Hub produced on ABC News. Wallet Hub just released that uh Florida is the second most distressed state with credit card debt in the nation.

Wow. And with that in watching the Doge efforts or the Florida Agency on Fiscal Oversight has been nicknamed now, it's important that we we really as this budget cycle moves forward that we we show our commitment to our taxpayer to find a way to double down. And everybody knows where I am on on millage rates and and and and work work through to to help to help folks. So, um, I think I think this is a a great great move forward, Commissioner Jagger. So, thank you for this. Also, too, I mean, it shows we're doing this already. I don't know if Chase is here, but

it's important that folks know when we're in Pasco, we're looking at your money. The sheriff's, you know, cut 2 million from his budget already with just a request. And it just shows the team effort that not just with the board but our constitutionals and all all all facets of our government are working together to try to to reel back and and be efficient with folks money and that way they can they can keep more more in their wallet.

So thank you.

Yeah.

And just to say you know I think Pasco County has been probably the most frugal county going from when we should have when we should have cut. I mean when we cut back in 0607 we cut dramatically

dramatically. and it cost us a long time to get back and then we got fiscally sound by putting reserves back in so in case a storm came like just happened if we didn't have those reserves in place. Where would we be? So I think that we took the approach I know I I mentioned in board agree with me from years years ago was like we're not forcing every department to spend every dime they got to get their budget for next year but whatever they didn't use from if they didn't hire people etc that got turned back in. if there's project that money that get carried over that get carried over, but we didn't just go make them go spend the money to justify how they could have it again. And I think that's been part of the cornerstone. I know Mike's been on on it everywhere looking every single year. What are we going to do? So, with all that said, I think we've done a very responsible job every step of the way. And I think our citizens, especially with the penny for Pasco money, look at how we spent it, they've endorsed it now three times. Uh we've gone through and we put a bond referendum. We didn't spend any money, didn't do any promotion on it. And the voters said, "Look, we want these things. We're coming from more urbanized areas to Pasco County. We want our kids to have nice sports to play, you know, great teams to go on like we saw today." Right. So, I think we responded to what our people said they wanted.

I I agree. And um and you know talking about the water reminds me of some obligations that we have to our citizens and that is we said we were going to buy them out of the most expensive water pretty much in the state. Um and we got who was the first one?

Aqua.

Aqua highest water rates in the state of Florida. Then we got Lendri. And listen I have two houses in the county. the comparison of of the the my Gulf Harbors bill to my other house was insane how much more that water cost me. Um, and we said we were going to buy out the other two utilities and are going to come back to us with the plan, but we we have some some ways that we are going to help our citizens and we we have to remember that we promised them we're going to buy out FGUA and get people's water rates lowered. Um, we've got a courthouse. We we we you know we still have we've got ball fields ball fields to do and um we still have a ways to go but uh

can I

Yeah.

No, I I just want to finish my other commission.

Oh yes, please go.

Okay. So we can get on here. All right.

Okay. So this was um AMSKills um Pam and Paula. My son had surgery. So Pam and Paula went on my behalf.

Awesome.

Yep. Was this the graduation of the um utilities utilities camp?

I was I was at Great.

All right, the next one. This is Marjory's Hope. So, this was amazing. She um

she started off really in her house and then grew it into this big, beautiful store. So, basically, kids can shop, teachers can shop, and it's a great organization for anyone in need.

And this is at Wendrin.

Yep. At Wendel Cr next to the museum. So beautiful. It looks just like a little boutique. So pretty. So, okay.

Was this leadership to Pasco's project last year?

Yes, it was. They did a great job.

I had racks to donate to them. Then she's like, "Nope, we got all we need."

Oh, it's so pretty. Okay, go ahead. Next slide. Uh I went to the legislative update for Gus Filarakus. So, I was really glad I did go because uh they had some of the citizens had some questions about the county, so I was able to jump in and answer that for them. Next slide. This was um we had a back to school bash at Moon Lake and we gave out uh 250 backpacks. Can you go the next slide, please? 250 back backpacks. We did haircuts, uh school physicals, we gave out lunchboxes, food for the kids, uh free clothes, and I want to thank I just so I don't forget all of our community partners. I think we have slides if you could keep moving. Um, so here's we had the um the property appraiser and they donated shoes. We had BRW Contracting, they did lunchboxes. Metropolitan Ministries did backpacks. Firefighters Charities handed out brand new clothes. Grace's Food Pantry supplied 150 snack bags. Pastor Jen from Shady Hills Mission Church was there with her crew. Um, Benet's Career Academy, they had 10 people cutting hair and we had 60 haircuts. Florida Wellness and Hamilton Health and Wellness providing school physicals. And the big rock star of the day was from Parks, Jessica Leance. She stayed the entire time until from start to finish. and her and I were sweeping up hair and I was helping her through all the garbage. So, we made sure that the park was the same or better than when we left it. So, um it was a great event and um I had people there, the vendors who said they're all in for next year as well. So, that's what I have.

Commission Mariana.

Okay. Um got some great news. The Shady Hills Elementary School, we're trying to get a turn lane up there. We work with uh Ripper and Barbara Willilhight helped coordinate it with our team bringing everything together. The turn lane is in. Looks great. Got great compliments uh through everybody out there. So, they're thrilled with that. Uh this past week I was up at Heritage Pines with the Congressman Bill Rockus and we're talking about Conley Road getting that done. And also um they did talk concerns about some utility water supplies. So, we need to go work with them closer, make sure they do have enough water supply up there uh as we're going forward. And I think we have some pictures for the Scolopan Music Festival. Oh, this Chef Dre

on Dre's Island right there.

I tell you, what a great guy he was just hanging out there just and it was so cool just have him cook right in front of everybody. That picture you saw was Nancy Bonitez from Golf Islands. She came in to volunteer. That's Daryl Hull from the Certoma Club. Uh Colleen and Nancy Mint Cakes. We got the point distillery right there. They're doing a free sample thing. And as they're waiting for their contract coming up with a distributor, uh they were actually sell bottles for do samples and then sell bottles. Well, people are loving what they were doing. Great group of guys, great products, having a great time. Keep going.

Oo, hope it didn't rain.

We had uh we had rain the first night and it was pretty heavy, so we had to kind of cancel off about 45 minutes. Second night, we had about an hour's worth of rain, but we had enough tents that people stayed under it and then they stayed and and finished off playing. Uh this past weekend, no rain at all. It was great all the way through. Uh the Tampa Bay water ski team was out there. They were out there the previous Saturday and uh actually previous Sunday, and they were they were here this Friday, Saturday, and they'll be out here this coming Friday, Saturday at 6 o'clock. We're also doing a 5K run. Um I want to make it a family fun event. We actually brought a carnival out there where we have like nine rides for kids. Uh, and we're just kind of like just to help it go along. Uh, Commissioner Simpson made a donation. Ajax made a donation to actually cut the wristband price down and just to get the attention going. The carnival operator just started giving away passes to the kids. So, we just got to go around just get kids out there just to get get it trying and going. So, it's been a great success. This weekend's bands is awesome. John Batista's band from Shadowfax is going to be playing from 3:00 to 6:00 on Saturday. And um uh Shaker something or other. Shaker Society is the like number one rated band in in the region. They're going to be out there a little bit later Saturday night, but everything's been great. Uh the food's been great. So you want to come out and take a look. Um it's been it's been awesome. Uh the staff out there has been absolutely incredible. We ran a sand tournament. Jeff Wills from Florida Football Coast uh put 17 teams together and uh they just had a ball. They love playing like right playing sand soccer right in the beach. And we had our deputies out there, our firefighters out there and one of the one of the firefighters scores a goal and to celebrate just runs and just jumps in the water. But uh yeah, just really really good competition. Uh and then we had a sand a volleyball tournament that was out there as well. So yeah, a lot of lot of good stuff going on.

That's a fun um graphic there.

Yeah, that's all I got.

Okay, Mr. Carbala.

Thank you. Just two uh two items. I'm I'm pleased to announce that uh HUD has accepted and approved our CDBGR action plan.

Wow.

As well as our financial certification. So, you know, I'd like to publicly thank Joanna, Marcy, and Connor uh for really doing amazing work to to get this.

That's they're approving it before that we thought they would.

So, yes, absolutely. So, uh they the the quality of the work and the output has been amazing. So, don't put that in our Doge report. We're now we're now moving to the uh operational phase of this and so that'll be next. So we we intend to have an agreement here soon hopefully within the next the next few weeks

with the consultant.

Uh we're we're working on that. I don't want to really talk about that at this point in time. There'll be plenty of time for that. Um but we are we're moving in the direction now of moving to the operational phase which is exciting.

That is phenomenal.

So how so how quick can we put money on the street?

Uh we are hoping to be able to do this uh by the end of the year. Um,

so that didn't move up since this came out a few months early.

We We'll see. I mean, we just got to we got we got to get through a few other things first, but but I'm just happy that the quality of the work and everything has been teed up uh perfectly to this point. So, very very excited. I think great great work. Uh, the other thing I just wanted to mention to the board publicly um, Representative Maghard um held a round table on property tax reform. Uh it was uh it was a meeting that uh the constitutional officers attended uh myself, attorney Stein Snder, as well as Eric Brightenbach and some city some city managers out east. Uh he really took the opportunity. He was wellprepared and just had a great great conversation on the impacts of various types of property tax reform uh that that the state is currently considering. And so he really took uh everyone's input uh input to heart and we've availed ourselves to assist him, give him information as he continues to to do his his work, his homework on the house side uh when it when it comes to property potential property tax reform in the future.

Um I I want to remind you that um FAC warned us that uh if that does come through and it's a it's a referendum, right? Well, that's one of the options that that are being discussed. I can tell you Representative Maghard had all kinds of things. There were things everything from referendums on elimination to additional exemptions. There there's a whole suite of of of options that are out there that they're looking at and considering. The governor is obviously um stumping on some things and the House and the Senate too. I mean, this is how our government works. Are are looking at at various ideas on on how to tackle affordability of housing is really what he is really how the state's looking at it right now.

Um, it's a little scary for local governments to uh have the unknown when our budgets are, but I am sure the state knows that we have to fund certain things. So,

they are aware

they can't bankrupt us. We're bonded and

and those those were issues that were brought up. everything from debt to public safety expenses, we're all we're all covered. Uh even non-advalorum assessments that are made on properties. And so there's a lot to consider, but I just applaud Representative Bagghard for really taking the time to sit down with with all of us uh and to be heard. And I I I believe he's truly working hard for for the citizens of Pasco and and the local governments and constitutionals to make sure that there's fair reform.

Um can I ask you for the board? Um I was told by Ralph that that you wanted our legislative ass in like last week. Um

yeah, well we're we're trying to push uh September of having a legislative workshop with the board. I know there's some other deadlines as you know it's you know on the even number years they meet sooner. Um and so we we want to be well prepared and and ready to go on that. Ralph, anything to add?

No.

Um okay. because I I I always go through Hooper when I'm and I'm going to call your husband um because they overlap in my district on ideas and I think we've come up with one for mine. Um but I haven't talked to Brad yet.

I emailed staff just to let them know about yours. Again, Ralph Laren, our governmental affairs officer. Sorry.

So, the most dangerous Scott Walks to schools. The third one on the list I think is in your district which I want. Is it yours list?

No. speak like a little bit

the for the legislative asked how we've been chipping away the most dangerous school and the second most dangerous which we got funded now the third most dangerous I think I need to relist I think the third most dangerous schools in your

okay so basically the email that I sent out for it was it was for our organization and we really had to get that back in and start the discussion I did send it to you all I have had some discussion with uh several of the commissioners about this but we just want to be in place and ready so we can get this kind of whittleled out and discussed this month before we do a workshop in September. And um you know, I've initiated uh a uh request for a meeting for a local bill that we were going to attempt to do last year for this coming session. And I know the delegation is honing in on a date for the delegation meeting, but uh it has not been confirmed, but it's the beginning of November.

Okay,

Madam Chair.

Yes. Just a couple of things quick thing about the on the property tax thing. I mean

52% of the budget goes to the sheriff fire em got to be a quarter thereabouts.

That's a lot of money coming from Advil funding all that. And I tell you what, if they ever go straight sales tax, watch out for the panhandle.

Everybody's going to be buying up to the north and that's going to devastate them up there. So I think if it ever goes

what

it'll be devastating because everyone will shop up to the north across the across the state line.

Oh yeah. A lot of that happens now anyway.

Oh, yeah.

So, I I think when everything really gets looked at, it's it's going to be tough to go that way, but I'm all all for the Doge getting as efficiency as we can, but it's it's got to work for everybody. Um, on a couple of things on the state ask, last year we I think asked for like 5.9 or so for C pines. We now have the 404 permit on one on phase one. We don't need it. we're going to go through an exemption for phase two, but phase three, uh, not only is it 5.9, but we actually need about a total of about 20 $23 million or so. So, you're going to see that number jump up, but that's why they didn't have they don't have all the funding for all the other things we thought was in place. So, when you see that number, that's to finish the whole do the whole project minus what we've already got from a match from Swift Mud, which I think is 3.4 and we put up 3.4 already. So,

what I don't understand is I keep, you know, Sean, it's like there's so many there's so much money for water projects. So, I don't understand. I I mean, like, let's give that one to uh that's one that we give to our number three and try and get it funded.

Yeah. I'm actually working u with

you. Number three lobbyist. That's what I mean.

Yeah. And and just I'm working with uh Ralph Masulo. Uh he's the one who put the aquatic preserve in.

Had a great conversation with him. Told him what was going on with the struggles. I told him, I says, "I know you put things in there for the dredging how you'd want you wouldn't put the stop to it, but I was afraid that we have some uh some issues with it being in the aquatic reserve. That's why we tried to move it out." He goes, "Let me go try to work with you. Let's go take a look at how they're dissecting it and what they're making you do because maybe they're overextending what they should be doing." And so we've been working with our team uh with fish and wildlife will be coming down this coming week uh and uh D as well to kind of find out let's soften up what they're doing to us cuz if Homo Sasserin Citrus got all their work done even as an aquatic reserve how are we being treated differently than they are and it looks like we are. So we're going to kind of dissect that as well and try to work with him on that.

I just have one thing um just in closing. Can you pull up that slide for me? So, when I said I couldn't remember how many counties had committed, um, if anybody wants this, I can email it to you, but these are all the counties that um are committed to doing. So,

the white or the black

Yeah, green or whatever.

All the those are all of them right here.

Oh, I was looking at the map, not the

And when I saw we weren't on it, I thought it was

Okay, got

uh that we were on.

So, we could look over here and go over here and then see which color is the

I didn't even know that was existing. So, thanks for bringing it forward.

You're welcome.

So, it's the dark counties.

Mike knows. I've been on it for a couple months.

Okay. Um you I think

No, me.

You um because of the elevation of um State Senator Angolia to CFO and the vacancy in the district 11 Senate seat. Um there will be a new series of canvasing board meetings that I have been asked to get. Uh primary is set for September 30th and general the the election the special election is December 9th. Um there of course are multiple canvasing meet board meetings ahead of that. Um, as you know, the statute requires the chair to be that person, that board representative, unless the chair has a conflict.

I'm going to get a conflict if I don't have one yet.

My certifications, I think, are still good, aren't they?

Your certifications are still good. So if if if uh Commissioner Weightman wants to pull that duty, we can

appointed

we can have the uh have a letter for the chair's signature that says that it that for the special for these specials. Obviously, it wouldn't go into next year.

Yeah.

Um that Commissioner Weightman will be the board's representative on canvasing.

Yeah. And I don't think I'll be here September 30th. should have a new grandbaby, little granddaughter on the ground. I'll be up there. Okay.

I hope not on the ground.

Someone's hands arriving.

Yeah.

Um Okay. Anything else?

That's it. Thank you. Nothing from the court.

Okay. I've got some um photos, but first um Okay. Well, this Jack, you didn't mention this, but this was our um utilities Ampskills utilities graduation. And um we had we had a lot of staff there. Um de uh with Luchi Electric was there. Um Tampa Bay Water was there because we have a lot of interest from these people to help them fill their pipeline. So um I this is the uh upcoming completion of the Starky. Wait, go back to the AMSKills one. The So So what's going on here? And there's Jack in the picture.

Do Edgar's there? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And David Edgars was there, Commissioner Edgars from Panelis County, who's an engineer. Um, these are these are our uh Pasco County High School students with their mentors from the utilities department. They just had completed their 10, I think it's 10 weeks of work working for the county. And um, some of them are juniors, some of them are seniors. And a couple of these are uh under way to get hired by the county now to go work for us in the utilities department. And some other departments from the county have come to meet with Amskills. Um Andrew Baxter and um I think uh Jason Mikl is coming over if he hasn't come over yet to set up programs to uh help fulfill their pipeline. So, um, we had 80 guests there at the graduation. Um, you know who was there? Garren Angel was there. Um, so he's very interested in what we're doing. Okay. So, and I'm going to talk more about AMP skills in a second, but thank you. Um, these are uh two photos that Keith sent me. Um, Starky Ranch District Park. We're about to have these multi- fields finished, thank goodness. And hopefully we're going to pay for those trees that go in that parking lot from the tree mitigation trust fund and not eat up Keith's budget so we can go build more fields. Right. Um and then over here on the right, uh look how good Pine Pine Hills is looking. Uh, Commissioner Weightman, I don't know if you've ever been there or Oakley, but this used to be owned by the city and um, we did a swap with City of Newport Richie for the uh, old All Children's Sunrust Bank downtown and then we've remodeled this and that is looking so good. So good.

Night and day difference.

Yeah, it was really ready. So ready.

And this is our only little league complex. This is our oldest little league complex on the west side. And then in the ' 80s we built Holiday Wreck and that's it.

Veterans.

Well, okay. Veterans was the last one.

Engle, I should say.

Where?

England and Veterans.

I think Veterans was the last one.

Okay.

So, um the next one's going to be in Beexley if we ever can get that one one going. The Little League complex. Okay. Next, uh because I don't remember what's here. Is that on pictures? Okay. Um, so, um, I need to, uh, nominate a new person to the tourism development council because the former council woman from Newport Richie did not run again because she's running for mayor. So, I need to uh, ask you to approve Brian Jonas from Newport Richie City Council to the tourist development.

Second.

All in favor?

I.

Okay. Um, so in response to the ongoing discussions of a potential MO merger, a group effort between Penllis County MO, Hillsboro TPO, and Pasco County MO has been made to provide resources to our boards and committees to answer any questions they may have on the project. One of the opportunities being offered is a field trip to Metro Plan Orlando on October 27th. Metro Plan Orlando is a merged MO organization that serves as the MO for the Tri County, Orlando urban area encompassing Orange, Oyola, and Semino County. So, um like you you're all going to get an invitation to that um bus. We'll have

I can't make it.

Okay. well answered to them, but um uh there'll be elected officials from all three counties and cities uh going over to Orlando for a special day. So, uh if you can make it, that would be really good that Pasco has some um representation. Um so, uh tourists development committee. Um we again were selected for the Florida Senior Games. Um, then that's for the next four years. It's an Olympic style event for individuals aged 50 and plus to compete and it will take place all through the county.

50 is a senior.

Yeah.

Come on.

So, so here's the sad thing. We don't have

anymore.

You're still in. Go for it.

You just get bumped out.

So, they cannot do they cannot do softball here. They have to go to Ocala because we don't have a softball field.

Yeah, there's there's old guys that play park.

We do not have enough softball fields for their tournament. So,

Seth, you're the only senior not on, you know,

and some communities.

The swimming takes place in another county because we don't have the enough of the Olympic style swimming pool. So, we'll have most of the stuff, but heads up, some of the stuff has to to leave our county. Um uh Ben Benfica Academy has opened their first residential academy in United States at St. Leo. It's one of the most well-known Portuguese professional football clubs globally. Is that cool or what? It has a large international following. So the prestigious academy will welcome players from around the world to train, develop, and compete at the highest level here in Pasco County.

So which foot? American football or soccer?

It's soccer. Yeah.

Yeah.

So, there's a whole bunch of towns here where they're coming from, but uh Florida Sports Coast is partnering with Benfica to have on-site and digital presence to create destination awareness for visitors and players who will be coming over because of that. Um, with the Scallop season fam tour, uh, we had a, uh, travel influencer Molina Lopez, 1.8 million followers. That's a lot. out out uh on the water with other top content creators and journalists showcasing uh Pasco County activity. They also spotlighted the eco-friendly scallop sorder tool um initiative from Crant Florida. I got one of those those little Yeah. And um and um they returned the undersized scallops to the water which is so important. I mean my husband throws some back. Uh the reports I'm getting, I haven't had time to go but once. Um and it wasn't in Pasco County. My husband and Dewey Mitchell went out. They said it was really good in Pasco County.

Everyone I've talked to and I've talked to several several people, they have getting record counts super fast and the sculps are huge, too. So, it's been a great great season for scoloping.

Okay. And I have one more thing. Um, oh, so, so you guys got a letter, a copy of a letter that I would like your permission to send up to Kevin O Farerrell, um, just filling them in on what's going on with uh, C with AMSKills and uh, the county and um, our apprenticeship programs that we're getting ready to kick off. So, I couldn't send it up to send it up under chair. I needed to have your approval to send that letter that I handed you. So,

move approval.

Second.

All in favor?

I

All right. said it.

Uh, you're probably going to talk about your fire boat.

What fire boat?

You made the news by the way.

Thank you. Yeah,

you had something.

So, yeah, we had the fire boat that we started this project back in pre-COVID days. So, right around CO and the fire boat was out and it can hold several people, four people on a gurnie uh if they if they really need access. And it's been out since July. They had a fire in Gulf Harbors.

Yes. Yes.

Where they went down and it was like

elevator

elevated home up uh fire going from the top. They kept it from spreading from that home. They had two other successes uh rescue successes. And then for scoloping season they want to go full force where they're out there protecting people. And I think it was just Sunday they had another accident. Boat capsized. They were out there within minutes. One of my friends was out there and says it was amazing how quick they were out there rescuing the people. So you know

it's already saving lives. We had a storm come up last month at Enclo Key and um our sheriff and I don't know how many people were involved, but they rescued 20 or 30 people.

Yes.

Um the the the boat ramp and anklet was full of ambulances. We had people go to the hospital. It was a storm that came up.

Oh, a storm.

A storm came up and I think 13 to 17 boats capsized.

Really? It was just the I've never heard of that. I've never heard of this happening, but it was a disaster out on an Angllo Island a couple weeks ago. So, um,

with that, I think Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.

I'm sending you video on that right now.

Sure. Sure. And I guess while it I'll just say that it's it was went to the went to the christristening of it and uh it's been it's been a fantastic umh piece of our of our rescue and keeping the citizens safe. So much so that even even the Coast Guard is is looking to call call on Pasco because we can get to a lot of places that they can't. So it's it's really providing safety right now through the weekends. I think I don't know JJ are we uh we're doing weekends. I think it's like Friday through the weekends when when it's heavy boers uh during during the season. So it's uh you know as commissioners already said we've we've fought some fires with it and we've made a lot of rescues and getting getting folks you know safety on the water is is key. So, just thank thanks to the board for approving that and our guys have some great training and uh are doing some good things out there.

Um the county attorney, you want to show the picture

and and while they're pulling that up, um county attorney has something else.

So, uh I'm sorry I didn't bring this up during my comments. Um we have gotten the receipt of two additional settlements in the opioid uh multid-dist litigation. Uh one is the the Purdue Sackler family which has gotten a lot of press. Yeah.

The other is about looks like uh six or eight other defendant smaller defendants.

Um the state has ch changed the company they have as the administrator. It's now a company called Rubris. Uh, and so just in an abundance of caution, if I could get the board to authorize me to accept those settlements on your behalf, um, they're electronic digital for forms that come in that an authorized person from Pasco County has to sign. I've been signing it under the old administrator, but since they've now changed the administrator, I want to make sure that I get the board's permission to do that.

Yeah. All was there a second? I had two moves. Okay.

Whichever.

All in favor? I

I

Thank you.

So, they settled the Purdue one, Sackler, because I thought there was a little craziness going on.

Um, I got noticed this last week that it that that is that that one has settled. Um, again, they don't they don't tell you what your breakdown of funding is until you till later. They just give you the big number.

Okay.

I am um uh really uh I don't know what we could do about it, but I'm glad we're going to talk about it. And that's the Pasco housing vouchers. I I I just and to hear that number 6040

was

and that we still have Pasco residents on the list.

So I I don't understand it. I mean it's not we don't control it. Um, but I've asked if um before the meeting, our next discussion on it, if we could get have someone call to other counties around us and see what their split is on locals versus out of county.

Yeah, I was going to ask staff to do that so we had some comparable stats to benchmark against, of course.

Okay,

that video is up.

Is that a video?

Yeah. Okay,

this is what we're on anode right now. [Music]

It drafts 1.4 foot.

Wow.

That's like nothing, right? It can spin in a circle.

You know, I I have a video in here. I won't pull it up because we've been talking a long time, but last year when we were scalloping in Newport in in Pasco on the inside of Anklo Key,

I couldn't believe the boats that were speeding through while divers were in the water

and I flagged down a couple.

Did they have flags?

The sheriffs?

Yeah, they had flags in. I got video of boats just

bombing through where everyone's scalloping.

Um, so

that's not good. Um the sh the sheriff was boat was out there last year. I don't know who if anyone was out there this year. I'm going to miss it cuz we're going down to the Keys Friday, but um I hope that they got that under control this year cuz I sure don't want to see anyone get run over.

Much better.

Yeah.

Okay, Thunder. We're out of here.

I was talking about Look here. [Music]