4.9.25 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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Okay, I will now call back Perfect. Yes. Thank you. Yes, they were going to come say something. Um, I will now call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of April 9th, 2025. Please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones. We'll proceed to public hearings starting with ordinances. Item P32. Item P32 was published in the Tempe Times on March 9th, 2025. Good afternoon, Madam Chair. Good afternoon, commissioners. Denise Hernandez, code compliance department. Item P32 is CC25005. It's an ordinance by the board of county commissioners of Pasco County, Florida, providing for the amendment of chapter 42 of the Pasco County Code of Ordinances providing for modification, repealer, severability, inclusion into the Pasco County code of ordinances, and an effective date. So this is an amendment to chapter 42. Uh chapter 42 establishes and defines the minimum standards for the proper care maintenance of lands to preserve the public health, safety and welfare. So the proposed amendment before you expands the list of parties that may report violations related to stagnant or foul water and it also clarifies that the definition of stagnant or f foul water includes swimming pools that have not been properly maintained. Uh because this is a code of ordinances change. This is uh one public hearing. So, we're asking that you accept public comment on these amendments, adopt the ordinance amending chapter 42 of the Pasco County Code ordinances by roll call vote and authorize the execution of the ordinance by the chairman. Direct board records to transmit the ordinance to the Department of State with uh by electronic mail. And I'm here for any questions. Board members, do we have any questions? Madam Chair, Commission Mariano, I'm glad to see it coming forward because I always thought pools were in there because I know we've had some of them addressed in the past, but I guess this qualified to be able to handle it. Okay. Yeah. And they're considered a public nuisance, so it should be this way. And that'll help with our mosquito problem. Yes, indeed. Is there anyone in the public that wishes to speak against this item? Is anyone online? Um, Madam Chair, I do not have signin sheet. This guy right here, right? Nope. That is the WebEx sheet. Sign up sign sheet. I unless I grabbed it, but um No, it's not here. Okay. So, no one signed up. Okay. So, no one has signed up. All right. Um so, this a roll call vote. It is. We do have one one moment, please. We did have one person signed up, but I don't know if they're in WebEx. Tory Baker. Are they in logged in WebEx? He did not specify what he wanted to speak on, so that's going to be an issue. Okay. Thank you. If Tell you what, if he signs on, give her a signal cuz we he didn't sign up. We have communications, so just let me know. Um and I'm good. Move approval. Second. Roll call vote. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Hi. District

four, Commissioner Joerger. Hi. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Hi. District three, Chairman Sturton. Hi. Thank you. P33. Item P33 was published in the Tampa Times on March 5th, 2025 and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Thank you, Madam Chair. Nick Pito, plan development, economic growth department. Item P33 is PDE 250078. This is an ordinance amending the Paso County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use maps 2-15 and sheet01 changing from res 3 residential three dwellings per gross acre res six residential six dwelling units per gross acre and res 9 residential nine dwelling units per gross acre to IL industrial light on approximately 7.93 acres of real property located north of Kumer Road south of State Road 575 east of Pine Products Road and west of Bower vote. This comes to you with a recommendation uh from the planning development, economic growth department and the local planning agency to approve the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote. And there's a presentation if so desired. Um board members, does anyone want to see a presentation? No, we're good. Madam Chair, just confirm we have live local provision on here. Yes, sir. It's going to matter. While we still can. All right. Thank you, Terry. Okay. Um, would anyone in the public like to speak against P33 and we have no one online? I've not been informed, so no one. Okay, then. Um, I'll take a motion. Move approval. Second. All in favor? It's a roll call. Roll call. District one, Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Weman. Hi. District four, Commissioner Joerger. Hi. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Hi. District three, Chairman Starky. Hi. All right. Um, P34. Item P34 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on February 5th, 2025. The item was continued from March 25th, 2025 BCC meeting to today. All right. Uh, good afternoon, commissioners. Patrick Dutter, Planning, Development, Economic Growth. Uh, this is the, uh, much awaited ADU, uh, ordinance. Um, so reading the title here, uh, an ordinance by the Pasco County Port County Commissioners amending the Pasco County Land Development Code section 503 AC agricultural district section 50504 AC-1 Agricultural District section 505 AR Agricultural District Section 506 AR1 Agricultural Residential District Section 507 AR5 Agricultural Residential District Section 509 ER Estate Residential District Section 510 ER2 Estate Residential District Section 512 R1H Single Family Mobile Home District Section 514 R1 Rural density residential district section 515 R2 low density residential district section 516 R3 medium density residential district section 517 R4 highdensity residential districts section 530.3 construction of accessory buildings and structures creating new

section 530.24 24 accessory dwelling units, appendix A definitions, and other sections as necessary for internal consistency, providing for replicability, repealer, providing for severability, inclusion of the land development code, and an effective date. So, if you recall, I think a month ago, we had some conversation about the proposed ADU language uh and we had, I think, some very good um dialogue. And so, we have some updates based off of that dialogue and some things that we've changed in the code since then. Um but first before I do that um there is an update for ADUs on the state level. Um so legislation is making its way through the h both the house and senate for ADUs. Uh the intention is to require local governments to adopt an ordinance to permit ADUs for affordable housing. Uh depending on the legislation that go that gets adopted, we may in the notsodistant future have to come back and amend our code. So we'll see what happens there. Um it's House Bill 247 and Senate Bill 184. So, just to have that on your radar. Well, in effect, ADUs are affordable housing. So, what what's the difference? I I don't know the specifics of the language, but I think we just got to keep an eye out to see if it affects anything. We have to monitor the rent. This is just to monitor in case there's a nuance, but we're not anticipating any issues with it right now. Ralph, I don't believe so. Okay. He's shaking his head. Well, they should be happy we're doing an ADU ordinance, right? Okay. Okay. Um so um some discussion points from our last meeting. Uh so one is there potential for larger ADUs on larger lots. Uh so staff response to that as uh for the board to consider permitting parcels with 1 acre more of land to have an ADU up to 1200 square ft. Uh note this can still be exceeded with the approval of a special exception. So I think right there was a conversation about potentially larger lots um should get larger ADUs and uh trying to meet in the middle of there. So that's a proposed solution. Is are do you want us to discuss this now or when you're done? You can discuss now if you'd like. Okay. Well, I would be against that. Madam Chair, that's a house, not an ADU. Okay. Madam Chair, that's not an accessory. Yes. Did every Did everyone see the copy of the uh email from Grover Flack Designs? I think you sent it out to everybody. No. when uh within last week. Um could you put it up, Tony? I I'll read you the email. He's he's a designer. He says, "I've designed a new home for my niece, her husband in which they put it up for permitting. However, I didn't realize that Pasco County didn't currently have an ordinance for accessory dwelling units. After speaking with someone from zoning, I understand the commission is currently reviewing considering a new ordinance for access accessory dwelling units. I've attached the current ordinance from Hernando County for accessory dwelling units that has been in place since 2012. I didn't even know they had one. Hernando. Hernando. I hope you can take

consideration of Hernando County ordinance the way it's written and can adopt some language. In particular, like to see the following from Hernando Countyy's ordinance. An accessory dwelling unit shall be subordinate to the primary structure such that the maximum gross habitable floor area of the accessory dwelling unit shall not exceed 50% of the gross habitable floor area of the prime primary dwelling unit. So you won't have like a small house and a big house type thing. Um with the 50% rule in lie of having a maximum set gross habitable floor space the designs of the ADU can then have better layouts. no matter how big of the home the owners would want, the ADU cannot be any larger than what the size of the lot can allow with all the setbacks. Uh he attached some uh briefings with it. But for instance, this one here that he he sent over, it has an area of uh the house has a floor area of 2511 ft and the ADU has,40 ft. It fits their thing. It's at 49.4%. It's been tried and tested for 13 years out there. Has worked pretty well. And uh again, he he thought we had one, so we had to kind of take a step back. But this, I think, does what we're trying to do, and it fits in line with what would probably work better coming from an engineer designer. Well, I I I to me, that's a house. That's a three-bedroom house. I don't think that's what our intent is. Um it's for me, it's too big. But I will um Is this our first or second reading? Second. Okay. Um, I just put some texts out to people who are more knowledgeable than me, but I I've never I've not heard of that as an that size as an accessory dwelling unit. I think it's too big. And then you're going to start having kids. Then you're going to then you're going to start having a lot more cars and then you're going to have school impacts because you're going to have a three-bedroom house. And where are all those cars going to park? So I I I I personally am against that. Well, they're on an acre, remember? They're not in a 45. So they can park all over the grass in the front the front yard. They park in the backyard. They can park wherever they have. It's going to be Well, you're thinking it's a 1acre in a rural area. But what if it's a 1 acre in an MPU? Where do we have those? Uh well, we have it in Starky Ranch. It's in Arista. We have half acre to 3 acre. So, your CD would the CDD allow it? Um, we're allowed to have an accessory building. Um, but it can't have a kitchen in it because of the county codes. I mean, that could change now. So, Patrick, they would the CDD's rules. It's not CDD. It's HOA rules. CDD doesn't have land use authority. So, they they wouldn't have that at all. HOA documents might, but CDDs don't control footprint like that. Oh, and it's covered by a walkway, right? So, I just texted Frank, who's the national expert on all this stuff. I would not put a minimum on it, but if you need a maximum, I would put it at 800 ft. Some

places go up to 1,200 like Fernando did, but that can be a two-bedroom or even threebedroom, uh, which becomes a house. Fagville allows an ADU that is detached plus an ADU that is part of the main house. com and combined they cannot exceed 1,200 ft but you can have one of them but you can have one of them be 1,200 ft I don't really understand that one but I agree at 1200 ft is a house you say that what do you say about 1200 ft you can't um so he he just said that he's talking to his text so that last sentence didn't make sense but so don't put a minimum on it but I would put a maximum of 800 ft I'm fine with that. Okay. We we can keep going or if you want to keep discussing this, it's it's your choice. I let Weren't we talking about a 900 square f feet at one time? Yeah, I think I said 900 last time. So, I'd go to 900. Yeah, I think I'd be right. But no, no more. But with a special, if they want 1,200, they can apply for special conditions, right? A special exception, they can exceed that. Yes. Okay. I'd be okay with that because maybe you have a really big lot. I mean, if you if I get a if I get a big lot and a big house and again, if a designer says it fits better, do that. Um, I I'll leave it to them. I mean, between 900 and,200 ft, I mean, if the house is big enough, so be it. Let let it go. It's not going to break. It's not a dramatic thing of like maybe there's another bike that's coming or something. But if it's simple, it's easy, let them go do it. Why make them do this special exception route? Keep it one thing. And it's worked for 12 years. We didn't even know they had it up there. Well, you know, they don't have I mean, 1200 ft is another house. And I don't agree with putting that in someone's backyard in a neighborhood. Um, and adding potentially three cars. If it's 1,200 ft, it's going to be a three-bedroom house. You're going to have two teenagers and two adults. So, you're adding four more cars to a lot with a house in it already if they're renting it out to a family. The idea the idea is is it's either a place for a college kid or you rent out one bedroom. Um, this is how it works in Long Leaf. We have some divorced dads who have rented them. Some of our county attorneys have rented them because they've kept their homes in other areas. um or you have um a kid that just got out of college and wants to live in a neighborhood that he normally couldn't afford. And and that's the idea of an ADU. It isn't to take a lot and subdivide it so you're both you and your family are all living together on the same lot or or or your or bring in your your mom and dad who need to be closer to you. It's not meant to bring in a family in your backyard. I'm going to say that if you look at let's say a family's got a big house, etc. They want to move out, but they don't really want to move out. And you know, both my parents are living in 1,200 foot condominiums. They're two-bedroom. They're two bath. They're not that big.

They're not threebedroom. They couldn't be threebedroom unless you really wanted to take away the side room and you have everybody in one small room. So, I think 1,200 is a reasonable number. A lot of you two-bedroom condos are built that way. So, and again, Fernando County has done it and they make the limit to based on the size of the structure that's beside it or part of it, then I think it works. I I think we had three at 800 and we moved it to even moved it to 900 is the direction I heard. The the last time this was brought to you, we had it at 900. And then the language that we have today has 900 with the caveat that if you have 1 acre or larger lot, you could do 1,200, but it's to the board's discretion if they want to adjust that further. Yeah, I don't want I don't want that one acre caveat. It would have to be bigger and rural. Um I live on three acres. It would not be appropriate in my neighborhood to put another house on my property. I could put a barn with a apartment above. But if you want if you want if you have a big lot and you want your family to move in, you can just subdivide your lot, build a house next door. I mean, sorry. Would you like me to keep going through the rest? Okay. All right. Uh so the next disc discussion point um staff adjustments to previous uh proposed language in terms of permitting a special exception for dimensional standards. Um so we previously were allowing people to apply for a special exception for all the dimensional standards including height setbacks size um and I think lot coverage was the one of them. um we didn't really think it appropriate that someone allow be allowed to apply for a special ex exception to exceed the height or lot coverage. So we kind of struck that leaving the special exception ability for people that need to uh go into the setback if needed or um increase the size of the unit but uh not so much for heightened lot coverage. That's a change that we made. Uh the next one um there was oh concern about ADUs and primary structure being used as short-term rentals. So again our our current language says that they are prohibited. Um now there's potentially enforcement issues along with that maybe a a separate uh conversation but our current language um prohibits them unless they go through the process that we already have in place which is a neighborhood that allows them by right. Right. We have neighborhoods that have said we're okay with short-term rentals. Um, I believe if you're trying to get a short-term rental, here comes our expert. Yes, Denise Hernandez. Denise Hernandez. So, yes, there's several ways. So, it's either already approved in their plat, so it's in the plat recordation. Um the other way would be if it's not in the plat recordation. There's certain um there's certain neighborhoods that have been pre-approved from when they registered

back many years ago. And then the other way would be to go through the conditional use process, but before you start that process, they have to have a petition signed by 51% or more of the owners that live within that plat or within the subdivision. And that could start the actual process. And it's a conditional use and comes to the planning commission and the board of county commissioners for approval. Okay. Commissioner Mariano, did you have a question? I was just going to make a point. Um, I mentioned that email to everybody. I just looked at looked it up and I was actually sending to Terry, but it was still in draft form. So my my error, so he's got it now. But anyway, so I apologize. I thought you all that would have happened. I do also want to make a note and this might be um one of the um slides that um Patrick had in the beginning which uh what's going through the legislature right now may outright completely prohibit them. So short-term short-term vacant vacation rentals at least one of I don't know if it's the house bill or the senate bill has that within it. You mean anywhere anywhere in Florida? That's correct. Good luck with that. that the a for an ADU that correct that an ADU cannot be correct that an ADU cannot be used as a vacation rental. That's one of the versions that's out there. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Uh so next slide. Um another discussion point. Um is there potential for eliminating impact fees for ADUs? Um so staff's response there. The removal of the county's impact fees for dimminimous impacts is at the discretion of the BCC. Uh please note that affordable ADUs uh committed to below for 80% AMI are already exempt from most impact fees. An additional recommendation for BCC to consider for ADUs is that that do not qualify as affordable. Um so all of these recommendations exclude water and service connection fees. Uh but you could exempt all impact fees other than schools for a unit less than 500 square ft. Uh this exemption is based on the existing home addition square footage that is exempt from increased mobility fee based on house size. Uh the school district also is going to be evaluating a potential dimmin threshold as part of their next update to the school impact fee. Uh for units between 500 and 900 square feet, continue to rely on the existing mobility fee and school discount rate and the applicable rates for other impact fees. And for units above 900 ft, full impact fees shall be paid. So that's the proposal from staff on how to handle uh impact fees for ADUs. Any questions on that? Trying to figure out what the difference is between B and C. Uh so there's currently already a a a row in our mobility fee table that has basically a discounted rate for ADUs because we do have some ADUs in the county already uh through some MPUDS like Longleaf and others. Yeah. I Well, I love A, but I don't understand the difference between B and C. Yeah. So So

B is just saying discounted school rate. Uh B is saying we're going to rely on what exists in our current tables, which is basically a discount. And then C is saying, you know, anything above 900, to your point, is like a single family home. So therefore, it should be charged full impact fees. That's the difference between B and C. Well, if that's the case, let them go 1,200 square feet if they're going to pay full full impact fees. I mean, give them more bang for their buck if you're trying to incentivize these. Well, if they if they come in if we allow that on larger than 1acre lots in my opinion um in areas in the county. I I I don't understand though once you get to a 3 acre, 5 acre, 10 acre lot, why don't they just subdivide instead of building another home in home on on the property? Um sometimes properties are already subdivided as maxes. It can be Well, we're going to get rid of those. We're gonna get rid of that. I think that Well, it's not that's not today. But a lot of subdivision subdivided as far as they can sub they can't subdivide it anymore. They're at their five or their 10 acre. They're stuck at 20 or they're stuck whatever. This allows them to do more with their property that they own. Freedom with their land property rights. Well, we don't, you know, we have rules for everything. Yes, we do. Do you want to just get rid of everything? Get rid of everything. trying to Well, yeah. I had my way. I'd cut a whole lot of rules out of out of things. And Jack's smiling. I'm with you. But but this is this is to allow Look, when you bring up the kids in their cars, they're going to be at the house regardless if they have this or not. The cars are still going to be in the driveway because they can't afford to live anywhere. So, they're still going to be at home. So, the same amount of cars are going to be there irregardless of if there's an extra bedroom or two. They're still going to use the same amount of water. irregardless if there's it's just more space that people can not be so crammed in their home. It's what it comes down to. And really when we think about 300 square ft, it's really tiny. The minimum very I am I am okay with no impact fees for up to 900 ft. I I didn't want any. I want to encourage them. Um, so I was trying to figure out how to even get away from water and sewer. And one of the ways we talked if they were smaller, one of the ways we talked about it was if they didn't have a separate meter. Um, if it was metered with the house and then and and they paid their water bill as part of the house bill, as part of their rent, you wouldn't have to have another meter and you wouldn't have another connection. Um I I think it's really important to encourage them but not 1,200. That's just um but I'd be okay with this chart. Okay. Do you want me to keep going? Mad gentlemen, more discussion. Again, it is America. If someone does have a big house and they want to add it on to

it, what do we really care if they have a 900 or 1,200 ft? They can add onto their house. I'm just saying this is a separate house. This is separate. I'm just saying 900 ft, 1200 feet is what we're talking about. So what does it really matter to the whole thing other than someone's comfort and if it's affordability? If they can't afford 12, they're going to build nine. But literally, I've got one one parent who's a senior that lives in a loan does not want to go into a home, wants to stay in her place. She's comfortable there. She's got company that comes down. They can stay there, be comfortable. They have their own space, but she don't need 1,200 ft. She wants. It's not need. It's wants. This is all about wants. I want support. Honestly, we just looked in to this uh for my mom and we had an architect and she she really wanted a space for her friends. Yeah. And we could not do it in that little of square feet. Well, my daughter just rented a 700 square foot um house in Newport Richie and it's kitchen, a living room, two bedrooms, a bathroom, and a hall closet for 700 ft. So 1,200 is is a starter house in my opinion. Um I don't know. So, are you switching now from 900? Because maybe I'm I don't know. People need to speak up. I I I think 1,200 is way too big. Um unless you're on a really big lot. Think about it. My neighborhood is halfacre, acre, and threeacre lots. When these happen, they're going to be taxed on it. So, they're going to figure out how big they want to go. If we say up to you're not going to get 100%. Yeah. So I'll say I want 1200 ft. I agree. I'll third it. Fourth of it. Let's move on. All right. All right. Lots of hillbillies. Okay. They can all be And they can be trailers. We're not done with the presentation. Yeah. Would you like You can keep We just took care of that part of it for you. Let's move. Okay, we're going to keep moving. Um the next discussion point, uh uh Commissioner Mariano, um look into allowing port and metal peers in terms of fixed foundation. Um not a subject matter expert here, so relied on the building department. Um so from the building department, technically from the Florida building cone perspective, a foundation can be designed using any material provided it meets all of the structural requirements. So, we're changing our language to now say ADUs must be built on permanent fixed foundation that is designed to meet the requirements of the Florida building code and any reference standards. So, um I think that should hopefully solve your concern last time. Okay. Uh next slide. Okay, great. Um so, at the last hearing, we had a citizen come up and speak uh about the setbacks and then also sent an email I think to Commissioner Weightman about these setbacks. Um so uh citizen concern and email um wanted accessory setbacks instead of using the primary setbacks of

the zoning district. So just to clarify um staff is proposing that for the ADU um whatever your required setback is for the zoning that's what you use for uh accessory structures we allow those to go down to five. Um, so our response there, uh, when staff was considering setbacks for ADUs, staff was concerned about the expectations of neighbors. When purchasing land, the expectation is that the neighbor will be a certain distance away. The neighbor may have a shed or garage, but these things are usually not used as often as the primary structure is. With the addition of an ADU, there could now be an accessory accessory living unit that could potentially be right next to the property line. The use of the primary setback was to ensure that any impact an ADU has on its neighbor was next to minimal. One could envision an ADU being built on a second floor with within the 5 ft of the property line which would have a window looking right down into neighbor's backyard. Uh regardless, should someone want to deviate from these primary uh structure setback requirements, we provide the ability for an applicant to apply for a special exception to obtain a smaller setback which requires planning commission approval and a notice of public hearing. So, any questions on that? Okay. I want to go back to the slide before I have a question on the parking. Okay. And the driveways to these houses that are going to be built behind the other house. Okay. Okay. I want a rule that you can't park in in the grass and the yard. So, they're going to have to provide a driveway and parking for the cars. All right. We're not going backwards in this county. were supposed to be premier and I can show you house after house in my district where there's no yard because it's all cars parking in the front yard. Um and then also we have a rule is the lot coverage is the coverage of the lot rule still there is the coverage in my neighborhood in my boat house you cannot cover you have to leave at least 20% of your lot permeable. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, lot coverage still exists. Okay. But they're going to have to have a a driveway. Are they Are they going to have Are we going to require that 1,200 ft to have a garage? Yeah. So, park outside. Yeah. And and as I'm sure you know, there are many different types of ADUs, right? ADU could be someone adding almost an expansion onto their home and with just with a second entrance. It could be a garage conversion. It could be an actual little unit. They just have to have place where the cars could park. Sure. Not on the yard. And we we have in our code that they have to follow our land development code in terms of of parking. Um I don't we don't have a rule on that right now. Yeah. I don't think our code gets into the specifics about parking on uh the driveway, but I want that in on this one. Okay. Um sure. We'll have to figure out what that looks like, I guess. Okay. Um, so if we're going to

keep going. Um, okay. Uh, general question was asked about floodp proofing a garage conversion. Commissioner Starky, I think you asked this. Um, so our answer is they need to follow the Florida building code and FEMA regulations. Not every garage will be able to be converted to an ADU based on these standards. So, um, if they can meet FEMA regulations, they can convert. If not, sorry. Uh, next discussion point. Uh, the county attorney. Uh thank you uh to Mr. Stein Snider. Uh read off a planner's definition of an ADU focusing on the fact that ADU is smaller than the principal structure. So um we added in language uh clarifying language that the ADU shall be smaller than the principal unit. So uh just a small I think oversight on our side but just really just clarifying that the ADU needs to be smaller. So again appreciate Mr. Steinitider on that. And then uh last uh but not least, uh this is an item that I I kind of talked about the last time, but we weren't really fully prepared and we really didn't get uh everything cleared up until actually yesterday at 4:00. So I'm happy about that. So the planning commission voiced concern about permitting ADUs in locations that rely on infrastructure, so roads that may not be safe during storm events. Right. So, the planning commission tasked us with trying to come up with some sort of map or some sort of way to um if we are going to permit ADUs in certain areas, make sure that you know we're not adding to a problem. Um so, we added this code language. Um should an ADU be proposed on a parcel for which local roadway access is located in a FEMA flood zone, administrative review and approval of the ADU by the county administrator or designate is required. The county administrator or designate may deny or condition the approval of the ADU if the local roadway access is unsafe during a storm event using historical flooding data. Such determination is appealable to the planning commission pursuant to section 407 of this code. So, basically what that looks like, um, an ADU building permit is applied for, the, uh, building permit team would review the segment of the local road between the parcel in question and the next closest division road. Um, and if that segment uh is um if one of these roadway segments falls within a flood zone, the PTE department is notified so an additional evaluation can be done. Uh so this evaluation will rely on information about emergency response or flooding data provided by other relevant departments. So we'll probably reach out to public works and our fire departments to see if this segment of road if in a flood zone they've had issues before in the past. Um should no immediate issue be identified, permit can continue. No problem. Uh if there are concerns that can be conditioned, uh the permit should be conditioned. If there are concerns that can't be conditioned, the permit will be denied, but that denial is appealable to the planning commission. So, even if they get a a denial from

staff, they still have a method to uh kind of go to another body to get an answer. So, that's how we plan on tackling the uh planning commission's request, Madam Chair. Yep. That would take out everything west of US 19 and this past summer, you would probably locked out Zephr Hills and D City too. I think you got you're doing too much overreach here. If a home's built, it's already inhabited. It's some people live in there. What's the difference? Yeah, I don't disagree. I need one more. I'll horse trade with you. Oh, you you win on 900 ft. No, you win on cutting. You win on cutting impact. You're winning there on the impact feet piece. That's that that's what you said. I'll be on number three. The driveway piece though. I I need some clarity on that. We're going to start requiring driveways being built and all this other I was a bit confused. Well, they can use the house driveway. The original driveway. The original driveway. I mean, if I'm reading this correctly, the the House pending House bill would disallow you the ability to increase the parking requirements for an accessory dwelling unit. I'm not saying increase, just you have to have some. No, no. It says you may not increase it beyond what the single family Okay, that's fine. But they just can't park on the grass. They can't take out their landscaping and their grass for the family, whatever is moving in. Well, that's not a one-sizefits-all, right? Solution. These are going if these go on larger lots, then people probably won't park on in their yard in the backyard, but not in the front yard. Right. uh wherever they want. I'll show you some photos of people who have lots of ADUs right now. So, so that's my entire presentation. So, um I think there's still some things that you guys would like to discuss and work out and I'm here to answer any questions. I don't know if there are any um public here to speak on it, but I'm here if there are any other questions. Madam Chair, why do you want to do do public comment? Right. Uh, is there anyone here wishes to speak to this ordinance? There's no one on WebEx. Okay, back to us. Commissioner Mar. So, let's talk about the impact fees. Again, Commissioner Wman saying that pretty much same people live in the house who stay in the house and this shouldn't be any any extra impact if we can avoid it and we want to really increase the opportunities for people living in affordable housing living with their families which I think is a great way to go. Um if we can I would like to make a motion to approve this with 1,200 square feet for a cap. Mr. Madam chair, Madam Chairman, we have given you the legally defensible way to do impact fees in the body of the the I wouldn't go for that. The problem is that once you do this, you jeopardize the mobility fees for everything. Okay. I would concur

with that. I mean, these are the size of an apartment. If you want if we exempt this use, you're effect I'm going to have apartments suing me saying we can't it doesn't impact these departments either. Okay. All right. Done. Okay. Okay. So, I'll move approval with the notation that we can go to,200 f feet. Exactly. 1,200 ft. If it's an acre or more just,200 ft. No. No. Come on, guys. If I got a 25, I've got an example right here. That's another house. It could be built on top of it. You don't know what can of worms you're opening up at that size. That is not an ADU. This is our solution to the live local act. It's better than that. Well, at least give it a shot. Heck, in another 3 weeks, legislature might kosh it anyway. Yeah. Well, I you know, I'm the one who pushed for ADUs and this has just been stolen into let's let's just wreck the county. That's my opinion on it. Don't think it's I'm a very big proponent of ADUs and I've studied them a lot and they're not 1,200 ft. So you're just getting around you're going around someone building another house. The size I think is going to be by the cost of the unit. I don't think a lot of people can afford to build a 1200. They'll try to build what they need rather than more than they need. And I'm sure that it also with HOAs and things like that, there might be ways to help, but on people's land, you know, they're on big a big lot. If they're on a big lot, they can just build another give some land to their kid. Madam Chair, I I have another suggestion. You may tell me to go sit down, but I'll lay it out there. Perhaps we're focusing on the square footage. Maybe we could cap it. No more. The ADU can't exceed two bedrooms per unit. I'm fine. Yeah, but but I don't want two-bedroom 1,200 foot. No, I you know what? People will go around that once the walls are up. I'm sorry. I I I just will not vote for 1,200 ft. I just embarrassed to I'm going to restate my motion, but do I have to? I don't have to. I got a motion in a second. Second. Yeah. Period. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. Um all in favor? Roll call. Roll call. Roll call. Okay. Wait. So, just real quick, what I missed? Oh, what's the motion? 1,200,00 cap. What about the storm water um infrastructure piece that you guys talked about at the end? Are we keeping that or are we removing that? Um let's go back to that. Sorry. Yeah. Can you go back to that? And it's Yeah, I want to leave that out too. Leave Leave the Spill motor part out. Okay. What? Wait, what are you saying? Adus will be available in anywhere, any size, any lot size. Well, well, the the the issue the issue of whether or not that you whether or not you're in a flood zone or we're uh have previous flooding is you're not addressing that issue in the ordinance. It's an ADU is available where an ADU is regardless of increasing density and flood

plane. because that that's how I understand it. And Commissioner Starkle too, there's any way you make the 1200T cap. All that does is if someone was to come in to the max, it eliminates a bureaucratic step. This way I view it. It's eliminating a bureaucratic step to come in, get the special exception, pay the fee for 300 more additional fees. Well, why don't we wave the fees for special exceptions if it's an ADU? What do you think? Nope. What the motion? Wait. Will anyone else take my amendment to the motion? What you're going to have in this county is people coming in and building 1200t homes on their lots, the 1acre lots, and they're going to with a different intent than what an ADU is. That is what the door you're opening up is. Was that good English? I'm not sure. I understood. Um that's what that's that's the Pandora that you're opening here. I don't think that's what our intent was. Our intent was to provide a um lower income additional rental space and the ability for someone to have a a parent or someone who's elderly come stay comfortably with them. But what about it wasn't to have a whole family move into your lot in your neighborhood in their own house. That's not an ADU. These are not inexpensive. I didn't say anything about any these these are when these would these aren't going to be these are going to be expensive. So I think when you're up to the size of 1,200 you that that the neighborhood and the county needs to be able to take a look at it if it's an acre and what that impact is. I don't think you should open the door to,200 feet without any rules except the setback. Really, that's what you're doing here. Just please call the role. Roll call. District one, Commissioner Oakley. I. District two, Commissioner Weman. I. District four, Commissioner Joerger. I. District five, Commissioner Mariano. I. District three, Chairman Starky. Nay. May I? Okay, we are on P35. Yes, item P35 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on March 12th, 2025, March 19th, 2025, March 26, 2025, and April 2nd, 2025. Good afternoon. Hi, Misilli, senior planner with Planning Development and Economic Growth. Item P35 is actually PDE250015. It's an ordinance establishing Mckinry Point Community Development Districts pursuant to chapter 190, Florida statutes, providing for authority and power of the districts, providing for powers and duties of the districts, providing for the board of super supervisors of the districts, providing for the district budget, providing for functions of the districts, and providing for miscellaneous provisions and finally providing for an effective date. This comes with the recommendation from the planning and development for planning development economic growth um to adopt by roll vote and we have a staff presentation if you wish to hear

it. Good. Would anyone in the public like to speak against P35? It's either way on these but Okay. I take your There's no one on WebEx. Uh, roll call vote. See no seeing no uh public comment. Move approval. Second. Thank you. Roll call. District one. Commissioner Oakley. Hi. District two, Commissioner Waitman. Hi. District four, Commissioner Joerger. Hi. District five, Commissioner Mariano. Hi. District three, Chairman Starky. Hi. P36 item P36 was published in the Tempe Times on March 5th, 2025. Thank you, Madam Chair. Pitos, Plank Development, Economic Growth. Item P36 is PD250135. This is the land development code amendment, an ordinance by the Paso County Board of County Commissioners for docks and seaw walls. It's coming to you with the recommendation today to continue the item to the May 6th meeting in Date City. However, we're requesting a uh an updated continuance to the May 20, 2025 port county commissioners meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m. Um Terry, before you go further, I'm going to have our county attorney give instructions. There are two reasonzoning agendas, regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the board of county commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation. The opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning may at this time request the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearings. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code for reasonzonings. Madam clerk, would you like to swear the public in we only have one item, but is there anyone here to speak on the items? The rest of the items. Please stand. Okay. All right. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the

testimony you're about to give is the truth? So help you God. Thank you. P36. B36. B36 is English is a continuance. Yes. Okay. So, the continuence again was uh delivered to you on May for May 6, BCC, but we're requesting it to be for the May 20, 2025 county commissioners meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m. Okay, so um P37. Yeah, you need a motion. Oh, I need a motion to continue. Move to continue. Time certain. Second. All in favor? I I Okay, item P37. Yep. Okay. Okay. Item P37 was published in the Tampa Bay Times on February 19th, 2025 and 2025 and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. Item P37 is PD257859. This is a zoning amendment the name of St. Joe Walk Incorporated/Sew Walk. It's a change in zoning from an ER2 Estate Residential District to an ER estate residential district in northeast Pasco County south at the southeast corner of the intersection of Shar Road in St. Joe road containing approximately 66.82 acres. This comes to you with the recommendation of approval from the local planning or for the planning commission and from the planning economic growth department. There were two late expartes that were received from commissioner weightman and commissioner Oakley. These expartes were emailed and received by the clerk's office uh previous to this meeting. Um what's the difference between the ER2 estate residential and the ER estate residential? Essentially, it's 2 and 1/2. ER2 is 2 and 1/2 acre lots and ER is a 1acre lot. One acre lot. This has moved 2 and 1/2 acres to 1 acre lot. Any discussion? Well, yeah, but you can still if if I can explain it a little better. Um, between St. Joe and um St. go road where it where it crosses at Sharper Road and Lake Ola Road and uh Jasmine Road and Curry Road meeting St. Joe. There's two areas of interest here because the fact of it is this would go from 2 and 1/2 acres to 1 acre tracks. But when we were looking at the northeast rule and going through the advisory committee, my vision came out that the area of St. Joe should be a small community center in that area that would service the people in the rural area around that. And so in saying that, I have no problem with moving from the 2 and 1/2 acre sites to the 1acre sites. And it's actually on the opposite side, the north side is a Catholic church and a Cath and a school on the other side of the road there. The thought came up in looking at this the other day that the possibility maybe two roundabouts, one at St. Joe and Jasmine and Curley and one up at Lake Iola Sharbor and St. Joe. A roundabout would tend to slow traffic down in this area and also because of the school there right next road on the north side and the church and then opposite you'll have one acre sites with the possibility on a strip of land on the corner of Sharbor and St. Joe which is the doing what on the corner

southeast the corner of St. Joe and Charter Road. There's a possibility there can come some commercial which is across the old St. Joe's store. You don't want it to be stripped out, right? But but to add neighborhood commercial, it's already there. I see it on the other Isn't that where that restaurant was that I always wanted to go to? Yeah. And that restaurant's coming back. That's a cute little commercial node there. Yeah. And that's why I say it's a it's a my vision is that that would be a community node that Yeah. could be used this way. So the 1acre lots in between Shar and Curly would not be an issue because it's in within that community and it would actually with a roundabout should slow down traffic. So well should we round outs are not something we're voting on today. It's a possibility in the future. Well, do you want to take the corner and make that C1? Well, it's not part of this. Oh, it's a separate uh product property that will come to us later. So, it's not something that would be done right now. You're talking about the north. All we're doing the east corner will come back because we're No, the southeast that southeast corner. Isn't that the southeast corner that we're reszoning today? Yes, that's the southeast corner. Why not? the I think if their intent is to have that corner be commercial, what I would be but that's not here today. Right. So the proposal here is to go from ER2 to ER which is actually it's a little it's a little bit of a history involved in which one could argue that there was a scrivener's error in the previous zoning action that this should have always been ER. Nevertheless, they're only proposing what you see in the pink there to change the zoning back to er. The commercial properties are located on the west side of um Lake Iola, which is on the north side of St. Joe. And so that's where I think the commissioner is referring to. We had lots of discussions over the years about how commercial should form up in the northeast Paso County rural area. And uh in some of those previous conversations, there was very limited applications of commercial in the existing locations. I think the commissioner, and correct me if I'm wrong, is highlighting the fact that there's existing commercial at this intersection. That's good. That's a good point. But also, and Terry doesn't know that yet, but it's also a possibility that on the southeast corner when they bring in that that property for zoning. You mean the southwest? It could be a commercial dove right on that corner, too. On the southwest. So, it makes all Yeah. makes three corners commercial. Yes. See what I'm saying? Yes. Yeah. But but not all four. It's just a separate. I would make all four commercial. It's like a village look, but no strip centers. You don't want a strip center in village in a little village like Yeah, that's always St. Joe's always been a community in the rural area. So, like to bring a bike trail to it. We might could. They travel that in there. We're doing all right.

Yeah, we'll work on that. Um this is um on consent but is there anyone here wants to speak against this item? No one's on WebEx. No chair. Yep. Um you bring up a good point. So right along St. Joe Road. Are they putting a trail out in the front? Yeah, that there should be a place for a multi-use path. That's a very traveled road. Surprised you didn't pick up on that. Well, I think um I think make all the road that goes by the RV park going out on a map. Can you 41 might that might be a connection of the route for the bikes? Well, if kids that live in the neighborhood and they want to get up to the neighborhood commercial there, it would be good if they're not in the road riding their bikes. Oh, I understand that. Yeah. Yeah. So what is but this is a straight reszoning and that would have to be addressed at time site. All right another issue. So we'll deal with that next time. Um so I'll make I'll make a motion that we public comment. There wasn't any. Okay. I'll second. Okay. All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Okay. We are back to um commissioner items. Um, oh wait, I wait guys, I have one more question on the ADU. Um, just want to make sure we covered all our bases. Uh, do we have any architectural considerations of what people put in their yards? Does it need to match? If you're building a separate house, do you want it to match the vernacular of the house or can it be You're preempted. We're preempted. It should be. It should match. There you go. Oh, look what we just did. Bring it on. That's It's going to be the last legislative session. They basically told you you couldn't regulate our so it can be interrupt 31414 Pasco Road. I appreciate your vote of confidence. I did want to tell you though Terry pointed out was a scribblers error that and this thing was lingering since 2006. But also want to just acknowledge your staff. They helped us through this to try to clean it up. So, thank you very much. Okay. All right. Great. Okay. Um, Commissioner Jagger me. Yep. Okay. Well, um, first I would just like I know Sheriff Nako talked to you guys all separately. Um, and he was talking about his helicopters and aviation. And I started I don't go first. I started the wrong place. That's what he was wondering cuz I was looking that way. Commissioner Oakley. We're not We're changing all. I'm sorry. I mean, you're chairman and you can. Yeah. I'm just a little not happy today. Go ahead, Commissioner. Okay. So, I'm not going. Not yet. Okay. That was just a practice. Just wanted to see if you were paying attention. I know the guy in the middle. Commissioner Oakley. You know that guy? Yeah. This is when we had our trip up to um Tallahassee and we got a different folks that we we were able to meet with and uh was this the second time? Yeah, cuz I was there the first time. It might have

been his second time, but it was my first time. But I will say Oh, that's right. I felt better about our attendance in Tallahassee this time over what we did the time before last year. this felt a lot better and uh I think everybody was on board with what we were trying to push through so for the betterment of all our citizens. So, but um then we had the uh we had this uh lunch reception with the group the seniors um senior services annual lunch and you can't tell because they don't have moving parts but I'm actually dancing with these ladies on the left. There you go. Oh, that's funny. They kept bothering me to dance to dance with them. So I finally got up and danced with him. Then I spoke to him and then the gentleman his name first name is George. He was 100 years old and we sat and talked with him and he's been in the area for quite a while. So it was very nice. And then we um let's see where's Oh, and this is a graduation of the fire fire rescue class of 253. And it's amazing at the bright young women, young men and women that that come forward to be firefighters, EMS, and all. I was told that this might be because we've had an influx of new candidates for our fire fire services. Um, since a couple years ago, we've changed. we got in with the D-shift and it has brought a lot more and turned us around as far as losing uh I believe it was prior to two years ago we lost in public safety we lost 72 individuals in that year and this this past year we only lost two did you say so it's turned around and and we're within maybe one more class of having finished hiring for for our Dshift. And from that point on, then there'll probably be smaller because we're going to still have to bring in new people because we'll lo from time to time we're going to lose some people. So, but it's a better pro program than having to lose all of them and try to hire them all back. So this is a very good program, a good very good outlet for the citizens of Pasco County to have these folks uh do their part in uh working with citizens in the fire rescue and EMS. Very important. Um y'all remember the story on the fire EMS and one of the firefighters that went out. A gentleman had the emitter over here in Newport Richie. The firefighter stopped and treated a man that had a heart attack mowing his yard and then they they got him stable and moved him to the hospital and then later that day they came back and mo finished mowing the yard for the gentleman that had the heart attack. I love it. Amazing. And that's that's what our firefighters he got honored at the It's very good. Everybody I think everybody remembers that. So it's hard to forget that story. So very nice. All right, that's all I have. Commissioner Weightman. Thank you, ma'am. Uh, no no

no updates for committee reports this meeting, but um, first want to give a shout out to our Pasando State College Bobcats. I think we all saw they're ranked first place in the Sun Coast Conference in the NJCAA Division One as of right, you know, they're 39. They're 33 and9 overall, nine and two in the Sunlake Conference and uh as this month they still hold the rank of first place. So first time ever in the program's history and uh so congratulations to Dr. Paisers and ball coach and all the players uh as they box it out this season. Good job. And then uh next it was honor to represent the board um at Johns Hopkins groundbreaking. Um I think everybody here will soon be hearing hearing from them. Just an exciting exciting piece of medical infrastructure and business coming to Pasco and to see the kids talk and and the community gather around. Um it's 112 acre site. It's will have 56 beds and 16 emergency rooms and um I think there'll be a lot of synergies between uh intersections at 52 and 75 with um column NAR's project double branch and and what we have at Overpass and 75. so excited to to see them break ground and they're planning on opening their doors in 2027 and uh the community seems to really be rallying around them and just just such a a wonderful opportunity for for service for kids and families not just here but Citrus and Sumpter and Hernando and everybody on up to the north and the Northeast and Bayare. want to congratulate Bayare uh you know they're on Bruce B downs and we're recognized by the times as the best place one of the best places to work uh here this year and so it's just good to see all the competition amongst our providers uh to compete you know brings in great talent hopefully great residents you know they want to move here and live here and bring their families and and have a great life here in Pasco County so thank you to all the healthcare providers and Um, glad to see that good things are on the horizon. And that's it, Madam Chair. Okay. Uh, Commissioner Jagger, now you get to go. Okay. Well, I'll do my pictures first. Okay. So, this was this was Oh, this place was really neat. Um, Katherine, you should definitely tour this place if you haven't. This is called Hope Services. So, they I've had to cancel on them twice, but Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. So, they're great. So, they teach um culinary, retail, construct construction, hospitality, computer skills, and they support um tutoring and um the one picture that was just shown this for for um kids with special needs. Yep. Kids with special needs. And then this right here um the keeps going away. Okay. So, the this is donated by um IKEA. They had an extra um conveyor belt so there's a place for groceries and kids can scan them and they learn how to count change and all of that. Um they have the products over there are they're free to people in the community that

they can try certain expensive products without having to buy them. So the whole thing was very interesting. They have a woodworking program. Uh they have all sorts of they have one room and it doubles as a hospitality room where they have a day bed that comes down. So the kids learn how to make the beds and things like that. It was it was very impressive. Okay, next slide. She just came on the career source board with me. Oh, did she? And this was one more child. This was Everybody should go visit this place. But they they say one more child, one more family and they're big into um hunger and just wrapping around the family. And they have a grocery store set up where people can come shop and pick up food. So that was amazing. Okay, next slide. I'll try and remember these quick. Okay. And this is all this was their legacy wall. Okay. Next slide. And we've also partnered with them with Grace's food pantry. So um so families will be will be able to help feed families here in um Pesco. So the only reason I'm showing my popup pantry again is we fed 297 people two weeks ago. We have another one tomorrow and 35 new families. So, it it's just it's really going great out there. Okay, next one. Uh, this was the grand opening for a McDonald's. They said I could make a sandwich and I declined. So, I made fries. Um, and then they just thanked me for all their help and said I could pick a charity of my choice for $1,000 donation. So, I picked Grace's food pantry. Nice. And that hamburger and uh drink is a cake. So, and this was really cool, too. Um, for everybody, if um you know somebody that needs a job, if they pay 25, get $25 deducted out of their paycheck, McDonald's will match it and give them lift rides to work. So, I thought that was pretty cool. All right, next slide. And this was XGen X. We had the ribbon cutting for that yesterday. And that was all about um food safety and um food born, you know, trying to get away with a away from food born illnesses. That was very impressive. Um go ahead, next slide. This Okay, this was and everybody every machine had a name that was auto they it was it was really neat. I encourage everybody to take a tour and it's a beautiful building. Okay. And everything is uh sourced in the United States. And this was a ground o the groundbreaking for our new fire station going up in your district, Catherine. Okay. No, it's Jack's. It is. Yes. Oh, I thought it was yours. Okay. So, back to what I was saying. So, take two. Um, I know Sheriff Nobody and gave them a presentation and I was very moved by, you know, we know that they have issues with their helicopters. They're old. um they're having a hard time getting parts for the helicopters and they have an an opportunity to buy two used helicopters basically for the price of one. Uh they come fully fully stocked. Um it even has a water bucket so fire rescue can use it. Um, I would love to,

um, make a motion to, um, allow them to have the $7.5 million and leave it kind of at the there's discretion. We can figure out where where it's coming from, but it is timesensitive because Valuchia County needs to know by tomorrow. Um, if any of you would like a presentation, Chase can present do a presentation or or talk on that. Um, do any of you have any questions that maybe Chase can answer? But I I personally would love to see the sheriff get these helicopters. They're going to we'll be using them in the storms to get people off their their roofs. Their their helicopters are aging. This is a time where we get two for one helicopters. I asked if they had storage for them. Um, the answer is yes. So, I think this is a great deal. Um, I'll second that motion. Um, I didn't cast when I had the presentation that they wanted both of them. I knew they wanted one of them. So, they have six now, but I know some of them aren't. Yeah. So, the two that they they use currently are Well, they have six. Two are not safe to fly, right? And the two they have Well, the two they use now that they're having a hard time finding parts. So this is a good time a two for one if it comes out of their budget, you know. Well, this would if I may, this is what what what the commissioner is proposing actually would be an amendment to the sheriff's budget. So we would ask the board to amend the sheriff's budget in an amount up to 7.5 million. The sheriff believes that there may be some wiggle room on that price, but that would be an upper limit. and then you know to purchase these two helicopters from Valuchia County was one and we would use you would allow us to make the determination on the appropriate and available funding sources to to source that from Okay. And can the sale of the then then I would ask that you get rid of all the other ones that are costing us a lot of maintenance? I'll let Chase Daniels speak to that. Yes, ma'am. Uh Chase Daniels, Pasco Sheriff's Office, uh 8661 Citizens Drive, Newport Richie. Yes, ma'am. So, the the presentation the sheriff gave, the the one that we were speaking about, that was a a full cost one that we that we uh believe would cost around $7.5 million. We would need two of those. We were just going to ask we were asking for one this year and then one the following year to recapitalize our our airfleet. Um to Commissioner Joerger's point, we currently have four O58s. Those are the Vietnam era airframes. We basically fly two and then we use two for for parts. So, our intent is to and that that's why as the administrator noted, it's an upper limit. We believe that we're going to be able to negotiate that price down because of uh the parts and the able to and the ability to scavenge those to a level lower than $7.5 million, but the the one was at a full cost, but we have the ability from Valuchia to get two for we we believe it to be somewhere in the in the ballpark of less than $7 million to get two instead of asking for for one this year at a full cost of seven and a half and then a second one the next year. But how many how many are you

going to get rid of? So our our intent is to get rid of all four of the O58s. Right. Just another thing I want to I want to point out is not only will the That's four. You have six. Yes, ma'am. We we we still we have two Hueies and it's our intent as well. The these 407s we'll be getting from Valuchia County have the ability to do the Bambi bucket operations and things like that. So it's our our intent to phase out the the Hueies as well. But we'll get rid if we sell the if we sell the other ones that could help us get the money to pay for these. Yes, ma'am. To sell the Hueies, right? So, uh so I I can talk to to the Huey. So, we we did uh talk to the company in Valuchia County. Uh to to be quite honest, no one wants the Huey. So, um our our our intent is to use them out, kind of save some mileage on on these new helicopters, but then uh once they're gone, they'll be gone because no no one wants to to buy them. So I I want to clarify now based on what you've said and if the board is there. So if we amend the sheriff's budget to 7 and a half million upper limit to do that, but the total amount paid for the helicopters, do you want to offset that with any revenue that they collect on the salvage value of those helicopters? That's what I'm hearing. Absolutely. Okay. All right. So we'll we'll that's the board's intent. Okay. I mean and and Mike, I'm glad you're speaking to where the money's going to come from. I'd like to hear that discussion. Um, and I'm I'm I'm good with getting the helicopters, but I want to see every bit that you you get rid of all the other helicopters, shoes and all. Just clear it all out down to two. The reason I I always told you need two is in case one's being worked on, you got to have the other one to go. So, that's the case. We only need two cuz I also heard from years that we're going to start doing more drone work, etc. for other things. So, between all that, I think two two helicopters is fine. We don't need to be working on any more than just those two because those still are going to be expensive. The the only thing I have to say to that is until I think the drone program is in full force right now, they'll have the two new ones, but like in a storm, you're talking emergency management would be able to tap into them. The fire department, the police department, we're going to be able to transport a patient, drop them off at a hospital like on a helicopter pad. I mean, no, I agree with the two. I'm saying this what and and again, that was part of my discussion too was they need helicopters still for rescues, etc. and the rescues that everybody did together was phenomenal. So, for that reason, I'm okay with the helicopters. I'm just saying to CL to save expenses on everything else, go do it also to liquidate to cut the the actual cash down. And I think it's only 7 million we need, right? Not 7.5. It's well 7 and a half was the upper limit that was requested by the sheriff. So we would when they finalized the price we would what we would amend the budget for the amount of the sale and then we would

expect that upon salvage value that we would refund those dollars back into the wherever we you're not going to get 7 million obviously. So no presumably you know for example so if the salvage value is a million dollars then then we would whatever it would be just goes back to the Yes sir we took the money from Yeah. Well, put those details out for the sheriff. And and if I could, um, we would also probably offer or or our thought is to offer to get the cost down. Um, because I know the intermediary that that Valuchia County is working for, they have interest in some of our O58 parts because they're so difficult to obtain. So, we that that is where we we envision getting that that money down. So, there may not be true revenue coming back, but it may drop the purchase price from from 7 million to, you know, five 5.75 or something like that once we get the the parts. But then any of that money would would be returned to the county. Works best. But we can get rid of the Hues. Yes, ma'am. Not phase them out. We can sell them. We we will we will certainly we will certainly do our do our best to sell, but we will at the very least not use them if we can find if we can find a buyer. Okay. Yeah. Another sheriff's department somewhere. I just had a question. I want to be sure we're getting two from Valuchia. Yes. Seven and a half or less. Hope. Uh we we believe less but but yes, sir. Well, we're getting those two from there, too. And and they will also be be fully equipped as well. So, uh the seven and a half that is just the that would have been just the airframe, but these are are fully equipped. All right. Awesome. Okay, Commissioner Wait, Chase, I I think you should put those Hueies up public auction for a dollar. I think it's what you should do. Someday they'll haul them off. All right. Can I make a motion then? You did. Or I did. Second it, right? Yes. Okay. Uh, so the motion is that we will advance the money. Um, now we'll amend we will amend the sheriff's budget. We will amend the sheriff's budget up to $7.5 million for the purchase of two helicopters from Felia County using available and appropriate funding sources. Which budget though? The current budget? No, we will amend his current budget so he can purchase them. And then when he when they settle on the deal, then we will transfer the money so they can close and and do the purchase. That way we're only exchanging what we what we actually need. That would be the intent. Seven and a half is enough. So it's coming out of reserve our reserves. So most likely the reason I asked for flexibility on that is I want to check out this just bubbled up yesterday from from my I mean we've been talking about it but in terms of seriousness bubbled up yesterday due to the urgency and the need of sale. Most likely the vast majority will come from general fund reserves. However, if there are other sources that are more restrictive, I want to try to use those available funds. We like it when you get

creative. We do that. And lastup's good. And I but I want to see the other parts as far as the other helicopters being removed. Yeah, that's part of the rest of the for Mr. Daniels here that that may be part of the negotiation as part of the bundle. But whatever's left, our offices will ensure full transparency on salvage value and purchase of the new to reduce the expense to the general fund reserves. Okay. All in favor? I oppose. All right. Go shopping. Thank Thank you. Thank you all very much and thank you, Commissioner Jerger, for bringing this forward. But thank you all for your support. Thank you, Ministry for uh this is a game changer for our folks and we we do appreciate it. So, and we need it for our citizens and we want our our folks flying in safe helicopters. We don't want emergency landings and golf courses or wherever that was. Yes, ma'am. Three three in the last six months. So, uh we certainly look forward to uh to avoiding those in the future. And I love that every You know what I mean? Could be used in emergency management. Fire can use it. It's just it's a great focus. Yes, ma'am. All right. Um, thank you so much. Do you have more, Commissioner J? No, I'm done. Okay. Commissioner Mariano. All right. Do you have those pictures, Tony? Yes, sir. All right. Um, so we just had the Chesco Fiesta. Great success from the opening day from the parade. They say revenuers were up better than they ever been before. Um, okay. The end was end concert on Saturday night was the Embry Brothers opening up with the frontmen coming behind him. Never heard of them before, but they had some awesome songs which I actually knew. Uh, just a just a great event. Great weather all the way through. Uh, this Saturday at April 12th at 10:00 a.m. we're going to be up at Sunwest Park uh for the ribbon cutting. That's my group of friends that wanted to go, friends and relatives from out of town. bunch of few tourists in there. Um had a great time. Yeah. So, uh so April 12th at Sunwest, we're going to do a ribbon cutting for the new trail. It's going to go all the way around the park. It's going to be the first 5K run there. I'm anticipating and for everybody who has nonprofits, schools, etc. I think countywide we could do at least one a weekend or two a weekend and it could be four as time goes on. Uh, I want to work with Sports Coast uh to go put all the supplies out there for these 5K runs because when you can run a 5K run without having to put the supplies up, the extra expenses, the money can stay in the community better. You can bring more people in because you'll have a better flexibility with it all. And I think that uh it's a great opportunity to to do many other things. The Scholar Fest dates have been set. Uh it's going to be opened up with the uh American Stones and as we all know the Point Distillery makes the rum for the um Rolling Stones, the Hurricane Rum, which they released a few months back. They're making it internationally now. Uh I think it's going to be great to have a

presentation with them there and the American Stones to kick it all off. We've got tremendous local bands. So it's going to start Thursday night, July 24th, and then run every Friday and Saturday. um uh every weekend. We're going to have it's going to be much more friendly uh family friendly this week uh this run because we're added the Sundays in it as well and and during the day on Saturday. So I think it's going to be a great event. U the Sertoma group is still going to help do the running with uh help running it with steps to recovery that veterans program. Uh so between all that I think it's going to be a great great event coming up. And just so everyone knows I did miss those ribbon cutings groundbreings yesterday. I was on my way up to go talk to Fish and Wildlife for a meeting to talk about the aquatic reserve. Uh we're actually going to do that meeting today instead at four o'clock. Good luck. Thank you. Thank you for taking that up, Mr. Carbala. I have several items. It's going to take just a couple of minutes. I'll go in I think Ralph's one of them order of uh least to most difficulty here. Uh I'll start with I I met with you individually. We had to submit yesterday to the state uh department of government efficiency a letter uh essentially certifying that we were not in financial distress as a county. I had the chair sign that letter and and we have put that forward. We'll send you a copy there. Madam clerk. Yeah. Um I'd like to bring Ralph up to talk about federal appropriation requests real quick. that go. I got a message. Ralph Blair, intergovernmental affairs officer. So, I have a great opportunity where I can get a helicopter. So, if you could just approve that, I'll be good on a happy note. Um, so I just wanted to bring up speed with the uh federal budget for 2025. 2025. The last couple of weeks, the uh the last two weeks, the uh feds decided not to allow earmarks uh to go forward for the 2025 uh um continuing resolution to finish out for the rest of the year. So, we had several projects in play with Congressman Bill Arachus and Congresswoman Lee. did not know if they would open the door to allow uh for 2026 uh projects, but they did so within the past uh last week. Uh so going forward, it's been recommended to us that um Congressman Bill Arachus would like us to resubmit the the exactly as they were last time last year, the four projects we had, which was for a pedestrian overpass at 54 and Sun Coast Parkway for 6.2. Uh the Pasco County Area Agency on Aging, uh we were looking at $4 million there. um Pesco Extension Road at Moffett complex. This is for Moffett. Uh they're not able to put a project in for $3 million. And then we had a inline chlorine booster station project for $6,8440. To make it easier, Bill Arachus is saying keep it as is. Do not make any changes. Resubmit those for the 2026 time. Um and then for Congresswoman Lee, she had two projects that she had um last year, but she pulled the trigger a

couple about almost a month ago uh seeking input for 2026 uh not knowing if if that was going to be allowed for eararks. So we we came up with three projects um ba based on projects we were looking at at the state level that we did not accept for our state project and uh we move forward with uh a fire station number 31 uh which is over in the Wesley Chapel area um Old Woods Avenue and Winfield Boulevard intersection improvements and a reclaimed water improvement project. All these are within her district uh in the Wesley Chapel area. Um and then today um her office reached out to me and said they would also um allow us to submit the uh two projects from 2025 which in that case was for a sidewalk at Livingston Road that we had last year and another chlorine booster in the Crystal Springs area um near Zephr Hills. now with uh Congresswoman Lee. So, she'll have five projects to look at and then she will she'll tell us within the next two weeks, week to two weeks, which projects she will move forward on. We will probably get two projects. Uh I anticipate I don't know if we'll get any more. She's got several counties she's got to deal with and each commission or each congressman only is allowed 15 projects. So, it's kind of hard when you have multiple counties. So, with your approval, I'd like to have those uh they need to be submitted by Friday into their offices as we move forward for the 2026 uh budget process with Congress. I I have one one question. Um uh the area agency on aging, do they have a location already for their supportive senior housing? Yes. Uh they do. And so, everywhere, just want to make sure they had a location. Yeah, they do. Anybody else? Anybody else have any questions? Commissioner Bay, I would like to have this discussion ahead of time to to move it forward. I would also like to put something in with that Hud Hudson Industrial Park we're trying to make happen. Um I know we put those Well, we don't get any new projects in Bellarus's area. He he wants us to stay with the 2025 make it as simple as possible. Yeah. The only the only reason we had additional projects in in Congresswoman Lee's office is because they started their project so much earlier and asked us for that. So, okay. No, I I move to approve. Second. All in favor? I I thank you. Let's hope it goes through this year. That was tough news when they canceled on. It is. It is. Um Okay, two more to go here. I I would like to bring Mr. Engel up if the board is good. He was They were almost complete with their presentation and I think there's just five minutes left that they would like to cover. So, David, thank you. We're going to start off with Hayatt Misilli just going over the schedule for Pasco 2050. Thank you. Thank you. Hi Miselli. Planning and planning development economic growth take two. Should we bring up the presentation? Thank you Tony. So um this slide is showing the anticipated timeline for the Pasco 2050 comprehensive plan update completion. We

are on track to finalize the goal objectives and policies of the chapters um along with the future land use map um updated future land use map series. Uh we anticipate in May June time frame to um hold workshops with the local planning agency and with the BOCC and we're going to take it back to the public in July of 2025 um and we'll open conversations open conversations um through a series of open houses and that's when the public gets to review what's in the plan and of course provide us with our comments. And just I want to note that before we go to the open houses, we will have all of our chapters up in our website in the June time frame. So we'll give the public enough time to review the documents. And by mid August through September, we um will start the public hearing process with the LPA and the BOCC. And following that, we'll transmit the plan, the Pasco 2050 plan to Florida Commerce. And assuming and praying that everything goes well with Florida Commerce, we will um start the adoption process in the November December time frame. And the exciting part starts in 2026 when we actually make the Pasco 2050 vision a reality. Nice. Okay, any questions? Are most of these uh open houses going to be at night time? It's going to be at 6 p.m. Yes. 6:00 to 8 and it's going to be countywide. So we'll have one in each of y'all districts. Welcome. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Good. And we have Terry, right? And I and I believe there were some questions about VOP and the board desired discussion. So uh Narios PTOs will come up and finish off his uh Q&A. Thank you. Good afternoon, commissioners. Victoria PTO's planning development economic growth. Um, as I was mentioning earlier this morning, the BOP financial plan is being assessed essentially this summer. Um, I'm not going to repeat all the points that I made earlier about what the assessment will take a look at. Uh, suffice it to say that we are currently in the data and analysis phase. There will be policy synthesizing taking place among staff and and our consultant uh with the LPA and DOP um planning and policy committee in the June time frame and hopefully bringing this before this plan before the or the assessment before the board in July. Um at the same time as all of the open houses are taking place with the comprehensive plan update, we'll also be working the 2025 mobility fee update study. This study was last updated in 2021. Uh there this will update all of our tables, our mobility fee tables that get charged to the various land uses and time of certificate of uh occupancy. Um the state has mandated updates approximately every four years and sets limits on how much you can increase the fee year year to year. Uh this is our 4-year update that's taking place. We are looking to determine these types of policy questions here. the consolidation of the tables, adding new and additional land use codes um to make the tables a little

bit more uh flexible and address the current uh marketplace. Uh we're going to be asking questions on how much incentive we should be providing to our preferred you land uses. We're also going to be asking the question about how much incentive should we be providing to our non-prever preferred uh land uses. And then also similar to how we talked about in the VOP financial plan assessment, you know, we have to take a look at what our right preservation assumptions include, what the mobility fees can actually fund, what kind of infrastructure requirements do we have to potentially change given the changing environment for the uh changing fiscal environment that we're in. Uh, one thing that is for certain, the mobility fee ordinance must be effective January 1, 2026 because December 31, 2025 ends our current mobility fee schedules. Oh. So, this has to be effective January 1, which means that we can't miss. Correct. which means that uh we're looking at the local planning agency seeing the mobility fee update study potentially probably in July at the schedule with the first BCC hearing happening on the subject in August and the second one following that following on the heels of that at the second August meeting uh so that we can give enough time to do system updates within Aella and get prepared for the January 1 effective date. Um, at a minimum, we just need to get fiscal 26 mobility fee tables or excuse me, calendar year 26 mobility fee tables in on January 1 and then we can follow up with the 2027, 2028, 2029 schedules um thereafter. But in effect, this mobility fee update study will be mapping out the mobility fee schedules for 2026, 2027, 2028, and 2029. Okay? Just like the 21 update did everything else. We need to put that revenue against our our vision map. See, see if we can build the roads we need. Madam Chair, where's that coming from? Yeah. So, look at the influx of apartments, especially the Wesley Chapel area. I don't know if we collect enough from apartments for these mobility fees. Is there a way to look closely at that? Because you get working people usually they're about in and out every day, twice a day, three times a day, whatever it may be, evenings sometimes, but at least prime time at at peak hours where everything's based upon where big traffic is. I want you to take a close look at that. I don't think it just should be based on square footage, but pretty much what's the real impact because they have had a dramatic effect. And I and frankly if there's a way to consider uh with this impact where if live local is passed by the time this goes on I think that's another impact that should be factored in because other people going to pay us taxes on property tax where we can actually re reimburse. These guys don't and maybe that's something that should be looked at as well. Can you actually go ahead and send all the commissioners the mobility fee schedule? who pays what and who doesn't pay anything.

Yes, actually you can find it on I'll send it to you all. Uh but it is online and I can uh I can send it to you. Yeah. And as far as the multif family piece, um right now there is no incentive being applied to multif family. It's the straight cost and mobility fees. It's it hits they pay 100% mobility fee today this year. And um uh hotels have a a reduction. There's it's zero for industrial. Those are the preferred land uses, right? There's a certain set of preferred land uses where the mobility fee is currently set at $0. It's 100% subsidized. So, I I just think we need to look at everything. We need to see what we're getting and see the cost of the roads we need and figure out if we're doing the right thing because we don't we people need to are going to be in in 10 years. We need more roads. I mean, we just flatten more roads. So, we need to make be sure that we're building our road network like we need to. Who you looking at? I would just want to ask a quick question to Davidson really quick on the side. Well, all you Madam Chair, one more comment about apartments. Something I want to make sure and I've tied the conversation with staff and I think they agree, but from here on through with all the apartments, we want to make sure we have our park requirements fully set up. Yep. We want to make sure we have all our um We can't do parking. What's that? Did you see in the Senate bill that's proposed, they can have 20% less parking? I mean, they they don't even have to have one parking space per unit. So, park parking is an issue. We're going to I know there's discussion being had on that issue. That's and it's tough with Sunshine. We don't we don't know what these compensations are, but literally we don't want to give a single break to these things. If we've got a park ordinance in place, it's going to be fulfilled, right? What if we have a land development code, buffers, etc. Just no smack whatsoever and up to 10 stories. And another thing to your um less parking then we also I'd love to tackle another day, but predatory towing because what these people do is they walk up and down the aisles. So these people in the town houses and the apartments, if they have someone visiting and they don't have a sticker, they tow them right away. Well, they won't have any visitors because there won't be parking for them. Uh if if live local goes through. Yeah. Just to reiterate what Terry said, um we are charging apartments the maximum that we can currently charge. Now, as part of our mobility fee update, we are going to be looking at cost increases. to the extent we have cost increases, we will make sure we're passing those on to departments just like we would any other use. But you we can continue to charge departments the maximum possible. That's you just got to make sure that that's a given. I just want to make sure that whatever studies you're using are legit because literally the traffic we have out there from these apartments is breaking down

our roads. Um I have a question on that. It is based on the latest IT trip generation. And so we will make sure that it's all that's why we do an update every four years is to make sure we're capturing all those costs and increases in traffic. A a question on if um these come in and they're off the tax roles. Um are they so they're off the track rolls for property tax, but are they still on the tax roles for tangible tax? Um it's it's I believe so. It's their it's something we need to find out. So I want to be clear. We don't currently have any live local projects that are off the tax rules. The the the first two How about what's coming? The first two that were applied for were denied by the property appraiser. Um and then we opted out after that. So as long as we continue to opt out and we're eligible to opt out, they would not be coming. I think they're taking that away. They as of right now it is there is no opt out. Yeah, they're taking that away. I I don't even think it's on the table. The House is hearing. So I think we're talking about two different issues. Um the op the the bill that would eliminate our ability to opt out, my understanding from Ralph, is not moving. The other bill that that makes the land use preeemption worse is moving and has gone through the Senate. And I don't know where it is in the House. I can get Ralph up here and he can help us out with that. But there was two different bills. One was going to limit our opt out. The other was going to limit what we do on land use. Okay. Only one of those is moving. So we still be able to opt out. My understanding and yeah my understand Yeah. Our understanding is is that an opt out provision will still be allowed. That's that's brand new today. Oh, brand new today. Yes. Okay, that's good. Oh, I I I I got a call on Mr. Albritten. So Well, if if there if the bill that hurts us on the opt out is moving, somebody needs to tell me that because that's that would be news to me. There's literally Okay, we'll we'll have since we're talking about it. Okay, that's good. All right. Um, yes, please mail the uh the current mobility fee the way it breaks out to everybody for their knowledge and anything else. That's it. Okay, very good. Okay, last item. So before you is a uh memorandum uh from myself regarding invocations at the board of county commissioner meetings. Um there's been a little bit of a paper shuffle here. So I would like to if I could just kind of uh read read through a couple of these verbatim. Um so at your uh January board meeting, the board discussed potential alternatives to the current invocation. So both county attorney's office and county administration have researched the matter and recommend one of the following and there'll be some sub options with this too but these are for your consideration. Option one is to update and modernize the invocation to a form that stays within the framework of

existing laws following the process that the county has traditionally used. That would basically update the existing prayer. And I have one to suggest. Well, and then and I there there are attached to this a couple of just generic versions that an internet search can drum up. I in no means preferring what the other but we do not have you should. She just replaced the we just have the cover memoage. Yeah, it was whole package out. There was nothing attached to it was on the day when it was passed out. recycled it. The supporting documents also show what other counties and other municipalities jurisdictions do just based on an inform formal survey phone calls and searches that we've been able to do. Second option would be to direct county administration to institute an administrative process to objectively schedule external officients to provide the invocation. Now this does open the door to interfaith afficients and is legally defensible. Now alternatively the county administrator could rotate official chaplain from the public safety branch to provide an appropriate or relevant invocation. Option three would be um uh institute a moment of silence for personal prayer reflection with perhaps an opening statement to focus on a specific matter or current event. for example, ask wisdom as we discuss the county bud budget and/or pray for persons recently affected by natural disaster. Alternatively, the board could ask each member to also provide an in an an invocation. Uh local governments violate the constitution if they organize and conduct their prayers in a way that discriminates against other religious beliefs. Invocations may not denigrate non-believers or religious minorities, threaten damnation, or preach uh conversion. Uh and so as I mentioned before, that being said, we did poll other jurisdictions. You can see what other jurisdictions do. Um and it it varies. It varies widely and um at this point it's it's really the uh this is board policy and how he wants to conduct its meetings. So at this point, we'll answer questions if necessary. I I'm for either the that one of the prayers. I've read them. They're fine. Or either our public, you know, somebody one of our chaplain doing the prayer. I'm for either of those. Madam Chair. Yes. So I like that Penelis County does and I'll say I'll throw another one. Regional planning council. There's like 22 member governments. It'll kind of like make kind of rotate it between all the uh members that that want to do it. Um it's worked fine. Just someone gets up, stands up, says a prayer, and away they go. Um, I like Penllis County because it gives the invocation themselves as commissioners or they can invite and if they choose to, they can invite a county chaplain in and I think if you add it to another speaker, so be it. And then that the individual commissioner for that week can decide how he wants to handle it

himself and just rotate it between all of us. Quick, simple, easy, no bureaucratic things. And no one's going to be able to challenge that either. Yes, they will. Yeah, that's the no successfully. Well, the the so I don't I don't know what Penelis's background is, but if you adopt that pro process, the recommendation is going to be you're going to have to have a outline of how you're getting those those pastors. the the the case that Bvard County lost in 2019 was exactly that fact scenario where they only invited in pastors from certain churches within the county and that's what got them in trouble. So I'm that's what the 11th circuit that's the law for for our jurisdiction. I I have one I'm going to suggest to us that I think is pretty good but I'll wait a new prayer. But do you guys have anything to say? You want to hear mine that I got on? Okay. I kind of like this because it is time to ref refresh what we say. And um I think this kind of speaks more uh to what we do here. So it's it says, "Gracious God, we invite you into our discussions today. Unite our hearts and guide our conversations with wisdom and patience." See, I needed that today. Um help us to seek solutions that honor you and benefit everyone involved. I love it. I like it, too. I think it centers us before we start. It'll become it's good, but it lose its it's its feeling after a while. It become well we change we can change it again like it is now. I like the idea of rotating our official chaplain. um from our different our different branches. Um they're in touch with the hardships that our employees are going through or their family whether it's or good or bad really and they see what's going on with the citizenry especially the ones that are struggling if they're in our jail or they show up to to you know different different functions. I just feel like they're a good extension of board members being out in the public, but they're focused on what they're focused on. And I think that they could help speak to the day or even the national issues that are going on and be able to to hone in on what we need to to pray for as a board and as a as a as a county. So, I like I like that option. Um, and then I'm also an option of rotating board members or picking a board board chaplain. Um, similar to what Commissioner Mariano was talking about. But, um, it's time to freshen up and make it make it human again. And, Commissioner Oakley, do you want someone to come here? My my concern about having someone come here is that we barely fit in our morning meetings. the time and so um you know I'm I'm okay with kind of continuing on with the time we've allotted but freshening up what we say if we need another sentence on this I'm all ears or if we want to pick one but for me bringing someone else then it's it's just it's going to be like we barely get through what we got. if they're not here on time, maybe, you know, 20 weeks, then we need a backup

plan like you said. Yeah, I think I'd be fine with one of our chaplain and either the fire department or even under the sheriff even if he's got a chaplain. So, I think those are Does the sheriff have a chaplain? Oh, yeah. He does. Or he Oh, yeah. A couple. Madam Chair, so back to Panelis without mind adding more speakers on. If you go with the commissioners alternate between giving the invocation themselves and inviting and inviting county chaplets if they choose to use the prayer that you liked but someone else got another prayer they want to use, they can use it. Would you still incorporate that? Um, can I add something? Yes. So if however we we go however we decide that if the person is not here on time that we have a different prayer that we say so we run on time. Okay. And your prayer and um I used to go to the Catholic church and now I go to a Presbyterian church and um some prayers can be very lengthy. So, if we're going to be bringing someone in, I'd like to uh hold, you know, ask them to hold it to a certain time period because I think we need some boundaries. We can manage that. And again, I think it needs to be a non-denominational Yeah. message generic. Yes. It needs to serve God stick with God and not alienate um uh members of our community that that are in various religions. Minister, are you saying are one of our chaplain doing this now? Yeah, it's got to be not like outside religious folks, just our chap. You're not going to be able to if the only way you'd be able to to sort of write the script is if it's our people. If you Once you go outside only our only our I just want to make sure for clarity we're talking about our chaplain. Yes. You're talking about the sheriff chaplain or the fire chap. I'm the fire corrections chaplain which and if we need to but I mean we have several chaplain we can we can obviously commissioner control the amount of time and of course keep try you know make sure that these things stay within the boundaries of so good with so we rotating with the commission to make that call as we go or do you just want to have it? Oh, just have them on a rotating. Yeah, just have them. All right. Who knows? Then you don't have to schedule that. I'm good. I'm good with that. That's good. Okay. And also add the backup prayer in case they're running. Okay. Good. Okay. So, we'll adopt. So, chaplain from public safety. Yep. And we'll we'll schedule them as effective 422. We can start with that. Um, and then if they fail to show, which they won't, but anyway, if they do, what if they're running late? Are they stuck in traffic? Does the board want to adopt Commissioner Starky's invocation as as the new I'm fine with that backup form. I like I liked it. Yeah, I think it kind of gets your I agree. Do we need a motion? Ready? Yes, please. Okay. So, I make a motion that we have fire safety, public safety chaplain come do the prayer and if for

some reason that they cannot make it that we will use Commissioner Starky's prayer effective 422. Well, second. It's the internet's prayer. I got it off. Second generated prayer. Commissioner Starky, we have a second. Okay. All in favor? I Thank you, ma'am. I'm done. Okay. Um, madam clerk. Um, oh, county attorney. God, it's like a ping pong. Just want to remind you, um, and I don't know whether you want me to intervene or but but public the public comment section is not designed for open comment. It's designed for items to be placed on the agenda or for to speak about things for the agenda for the day. As I've always said to you all, my concern is when you let it get broader than what you can say grace over or um you talk about our public comment amongst each public comment. Okay. In the beginning of the day, the citizen public comment. Okay. Um, it just needs to mean it needs to stay within the the parameters of what you're going to be placing on an agenda or is what already is on an agenda something that you can. So, you're speaking to the um religious comments this morning doesn't have to be religious. I mean, the one this morning that was kind of out of the bounds, but I mean, they went in, they went out. Yeah, I didn't know what to do on that one. So I just it's just something to be to keep in mind for the board to keep in mind. You don't want that to become open forum because then it's everything the stuff that you don't like to hear will be open for them as well. That's if someone starts kick me right here. Okay, that's all I have. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to go through my list really fast. Um Oh, you thank you. Get out of here. I really have a quick I have a quick update. I'm really proud of it. Um I mentioned during the last meeting that our office is holding an event called Operation Green Line to help individuals that have suspended driver's license from traffic and criminal cases where they have not completed their court financial obligation. The event was held March 27th and ended on April 3rd and I find it to be very successful. my office waved over $14,000 to help individuals get their licenses back and it um impacted 921 um individuals. So very proud of that. That's very awesome. Thank you. I am done. Okay. Um let's roll through mine as fast as we can. Um so uh I was uh honored by the um Girl Scouts of West Central Florida with this woman of distinction lunchon. and I had my family fly in and we had a soldout room there in um Armature Works and um I like Archer. It was uh a real honor to be to have that distinction. Congratulations. Um and we want to have more Pasco people um um honored there. Then uh we uh attended FAC for Tal Tallahassee for FAC and um making the rounds. Thank you to all our legislators who saw us. I thought your husband did a wonderful job. Thank you. And um that was fun. I look forward to that again next year. My staff attended

the station 3 ribbon cutting. Um there it is. And um uh okay, I have a short video from the sports and events Europe um meeting that I went to with Tourism. Um I got to say I see why they're sponsoring it. It was amazing. Um, I spoke to about 450 people. Here's here's their this is what they showed at the event. Was held in the iconic late Jose Maria Martin. This is where they had the Davis Cup. By the way, 470 participants from 41 countries. First is very important. We are bringing into the city the key players of the sports industry around Europe and we are all together here. They can experience the city. They can experience our vibe and then we train up with our city. We were three incredible days. 203 buyers from tour operators, event organizers, and 198 supplier companies such as sports destinations and hospitality services met and connected to do business in a dynamic and energetic environment. Over 4,500 buyers supplier meetings. The numbers speak for themselves. 5,59 leads were generated and 7,749 messages exchanged. 16,867 interactions via the app. And it doesn't stop here. The app will remain open connections over the following weeks. We're creating demand on both sides of the table. During those conversations, we can tell what that demand is and if there's a need to be fulfilled. the meetings have been very lucrative and and very very advantageous for us to keep coming back and building those relationships over and over and over again. to the quality of meetings here [Music] again. Beyond business, event was about creating unforgettable experiences together and fostering deep connections from brilliant sports activities to exploring values of rich culture. Everyone in for the fun. Sports and events Europe team have already started to work on the fifth edition which will be held in Seville in March 2026. We have already chosen a destination for next year. We want to make an even larger event reach even more markets and players for the event and I cannot tell you how happy we are that we are going to host sporting events Europe 2026 in a city that is famous because it's the rolling capital of Europe. The next edition even greater opportunities and connections. See you in the So, um that thing on the top there, it had a 15-minute timer and every 15 minutes it was like speed dating. I mean, it was it was fast and furious. And sometimes there were two of us, sometimes there was one. There was another gentleman that used to be with the Florida Sports Foundation um helping out because there's no way you you could get to every table. Um um Tony, I just

sent you an email. I don't know if you can throw that on there, but because on the they had a time when you went out and and and did something and I um did this hike, which used to be the world's most dangerous hike. Um if you can put that up. If you can't, that's okay. Um anyway, really good for for us. We're the only Americans there and a bunch of these people will be coming to Saddlebrook. Oh, one of the one of the relationships that I'm hoping to build on is a Brazilian company that puts on mountain bike um duathlons. So, you bike and you run. There's no swim. And they're from Brazil. And I said, "Oh, and we have Baduko." And they're like, "Well, we know Baduko." So, I said, "Let's work on a relationship between Beduko and this company and do, you know, a Brazilian event here that's sponsoring a bike race." So, I'm real excited. They're going to be here, I guess, next week in two weeks. Okay. Um, Texas Roadhouse ribbon cutting. We've got our Texas Roadhouse open there on on um State Road 54. They had something like 1,200 people respond to their uh requests for work. They hired 200, but I thought that was pretty impressive. 1,200 people applied. What is this? What is this restaurant? It's in front of Starky Ranch. It's what? Starky Ranch. Texas Roadass. Texas Road. Texas Road. It's really nicely done. Great place. Huh? Great place. Yeah. I I I I haven't had time to go in. I mean, I walked around it, but they were just opening when I did this. So, they've had a long time. Oh, nice. Huh. Weston Chapel's had a road house. Oh, they don't throw the peanuts on the floor anymore. I I I asked, but they don't do that anymore. Um, then I participated uh with uh with Mike Carbala and Turner on the ULI tour of Pasco. We started at the hub and um we went through Starky Ranch, through Long Leaf um up through um Angelene and Spiros and um back down through the county and I'm trying to remember where else we went. W went to Marada. We went to Marada. And um that was my first time at that that lagoon there. It was very nice. And um there were a lot more people on the bus. It's not showing all the people on the bus. So, it was hot though. Gosh, this Thank goodness for this road. I mean, this weather. All right. I did the citizens academy. Welcome. Um, I went to Netfest. I don't think I took any pictures. Attended the the Pasco County uh fire graduation that Commissioner Oakley showed you pictures of. I was also at the XGenX ribbon cutting. That gentleman's going to come to the Amskills uh boot camp graduation next Friday. If you haven't been to to one of those next Friday, please come. Um, all right. As of April 1st, the solid waste team is is has implemented a glass drop off recycling pilot program. There are four drop off locations. We have West Pasco resource recovery, East Pasco Transfer Station, Anklo Citizen Dropoff, and Land of Lakes. So, um, drop off. So, that was on April 1st. Yeah. So, if you have there's an April Fool's Day thing. You have to I don't know what that is. You have to bring your own glass to

these recycle places. That's how we're starting off. And pause is going to remember that machine we talked about. They're going to chop it up and the county is going to work on um I think using that that glass can be used in road base and all kinds of stuff. Well, we don't have a machine that goes to sand. That's something that we can talk about, but we're starting with this. I don't know. I'm hopefully I'm saying this all right with utilities, but yeah, I mean it's it's a it's a no cost right now. This is as long as it operates in the green, it's something that we're willing to pilot and try because glass right now weighs too much. It's why we removed it from the recycling stream. Um and it there's not a lot of economic sense to the point that it makes economic sense, you know, we'll we'll we'll continue that. Um I know there's other opportunities out there that exist, but again, we explore those on a case by case basis. Um, I' I'd like to see more drop off places for bottle for bottles, but it it just honestly it really comes down hauling it is expensive because it's heavy and and right now I think self drop off is the way. It's not something No, I'm okay for self drop off. I just wonder if there could be one or two more locations. I I would not support that. Glass is a is in the recycle commodities market nationwide. Glass has been exited out of streams of cities and counties and states all across this country. Glass cost an incredible amount of money to process, to recycle. There's no return. Sand's an infinite resource. It takes more energy to break down and melt glass than to make new bottles. When you sort glass, you have to sort it by color. You can't coingle it. You have to make the greens go to greens, the browns go to browns. Then you have to maybe find an enduser. It's not it's not a profitable endeavor for a government. It's not a profitable endeavor for private sector. So it's very if this thing loses a penny, my expectation would be okay, we tried and we shut it down because it's not permission is is spot on. That's why we removed it from the stream to begin with. Again, there's plenty of sand on the planet. I I think we're taught early on. It was one of those earlier things. It's kind of a legacy recycling thing. I mean, I won't get into that, but you know, some of these companies, you know, those communities that do it just to do it and then these types of things work. But we'll we're willing to pilot. Right now, the numbers pan out and as long as they continue to pencil out, then we think that's an okay deal. But if they don't, then we're going to have Well, I want um every commissioner to have the map and my staff can send it to you of the drop off sites and you can, you know, share the news to to share. I mean, I've shared this before, but Pasco County's com commodities is some of the cleanest commodity in the state of Florida. And that's something to be very proud of. Um adding glass to the stream would just it would be it would destroy the

Um, we put Walmart went and put that vinyl fence around their property on Grand 54. Um, and it's been a disaster for them and the homeless people and the people in the strip club, they just break the fence. They're sure they're back living in there. Um, if it was a chain link fence, it would have kept people from living in there while it's vacant. So, chain link won't stop and made my district. They They broke down. Jane link 10 foot tall. Well, that's that's true, too. I don't know what the answer is. We need more officers, more code enforcement. All right. Um, okay. I want I als I want to bring back up that I'm very interested in a public safety impact fee. I've mentioned this the sheriff a couple times. We talked about it, he and I, in our our meeting. It could have paid it could pay for those helicopters. He says the the penny for Pasco is not covering the cost of what they need for trucks and you know new equipment and radios and all that and I I think we've really missed the boat not having a public safety impact fee. So So does the board want to direct us to begin? So let me just at least I know we have to do a study. Well, yes we do. Um I I think I'm looking at Jeff. Yeah, we do have to do a study. So, um I will say this, uh in our discussions at least with the TBBA, you know, we've kind of informally looking at trying to do one impact fee increase or thing per year, right? And so looking at that and so right now we'll have the impact fee for the fire department coming before you soon uh to have have that discussion because that's been been rather antiquated. You saw here from Terry's presentation that mobility fees will be will be next, you know, to come into effect at the end of next year. And then, you know, we haven't looked at utility impact fees in a while. You know, there's discussion on library impact fees. So, again, I'll I'll just want some guidance from the board if we want to really entertain a overall public safety impact fee. We could probably merge fire and things into that, but then it'll allocation will become a problem. And he's shaking his head at me that we or yeah, you want to continue with the the you're almost across the finish line with fire, right? You don't want to add other branches. No, no. I I wouldn't I I would say this would have to be you might be able to combine corrections with the sheriff as a public safety function. But I wouldn't No, I don't want to mess with the the fire one that's coming forward. That's been in the works for almost a year. So, we want to bring that before the board. But this would be a future a future idea. And of course, if the board wants us to embark on a study, they take about six months to get those going and just to make sure that everything's copacetic with that. And some of the things with sheriff, it'll be for new growth, not necessarily existing growth or I'm sorry or or replacement for so on the helicopters. I'm not so sure, you know, that you

could necessarily make adjustments. If it's in the fee, if it's in the study, Mhm. that that's what you're charging them for and it's not paying for a deficit in service that you've already got. Things like a helicopter would would work, but it would have to be a new helicopter. Would have to be a new helicopter, but I'm replacing I'm replacing four with two in this case. And so I just knew that he doesn't have one. My point is my point is is that it takes time and it has to be studied and looked at and legally defensible. But if the board wants us to embark on that, I'll I'll take direction. But well, I I think we should. But I mean, I think it would be small to start, but at least we get something. Um, we need to take an overarching look at impact fees. We have some of the highest impact fees around. So, if it needs restructuring, word of the year, open to take a look at it. So I'm hearing Commissioner Weman and maybe maybe the compromise here is is we we bring forward a workshop item where we can look comprehensively at impact fees and then allow the board to have a fluid conversation on you know the the entire piece to to the commissioner's point. I'm sure it's tens of thousands of dollars on a new single family home including school board. So, okay. Yeah. And but you know, um and are we going to discuss publicly the lack of utilities on State Road 52 or are we going to save that? We'll save that for another meeting. We're working that as a private deal with developers right now. Okay. Well, I I need to understand how that's going to work for the large property owners and the small property owners who may not be paying into that. As we get that baked, we'll we'll be sure to be briefing board members before we bring it forward. Okay. So, question I would love to bring or comment. I would love to bring up um having boat trailers allowed to be parked in the driveway. Um it has a tag and it is registered and you can move it. So I think it would deter people from parking it in their yards and we are a coastal community and it's very expensive to pay for boat storage. Okay. You're not allowed to do that now? Nope. Not in my neighborhood. Neither one of my neighbor both my neighborhoods have HOA restrictions against it. Is that a motion? Yes. But I I I don't I would love to make that a priority where we could Yeah. I don't know what code that it would It's the land development code. It's you're not allowed to have it in the front yard. It could be on the sideyard in the in the front yard set back. Yeah. Yeah. So, which is pretty much the whole driveway unless you got a long driveway. I mean that that this also goes along with the parking issues. If you put a boat trailer in the driveway, then you don't have a car in the driveway, then you have a car in the street. If if if you might have a car in the garage. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, not in Florida. You're

not No, what I'm saying is though, if it hasn't you could pick like, okay, I have I have my boat. My Yeah. My my point was that the way the parking ratios are structured in our code that is one of your designated parking spaces is the driveway. So you theoretically if you're putting a boat in it, you're one one car short. You can now um put a boat trailer on the side of your house as long as it's not sticking out the front. Is that right? Yeah. So, you can have a boat trailer. Just um I really have to go. I'm I can I got to go. I was supposed to pick something up at 3:45. Madam Chair, can I Oh, yeah. Go ahead real quick, Jack. Well, we'll come back. Go check. Just go and flip through. This is the picture of the sun, the new train. Oh, is that what that is? They put that under mine. You only have All right. So, anyway, there goes all the way around. Yes. I know where you get some money for shade shade trees. All right. And uh just quick thing, Commissioner Joerger, I I like Commissioner Jagger's thing to be brought back to the commission to go take a look at it because especially as you bring up a registered bow trailer has a tag registered should be able to go and and let's have code here and you know someone from planning that shows how that works. Okay, we're journed. Thank you. [Music]