3.11.25 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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good afternoon I'll Now call back to order the Pasco County Board of County Commission meeting of March 11th 2025 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones we will proceed with public hearings starting with ordinance item p34 yes ma'am this uh item was originally published in the September 13th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay times for the meeting of January 14th 2025 and where it was continued to today that's what I'm talking about okay item p34 thank you madam chair item p34 is an ordinance amending the pasal county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future landage map element map series map 2-13 rural areas to remove the subject area and map 2-22 urban service area to change the designation is that I'm I'm sorry is it me or is a window open or is that mic not on or very loud it's not the first one I heard okay I'm sorry can you start over again started from the top go ahead okay um p34 an ordinance amending the pasel county comprehensive plan providing for a large scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use M land use element map series map 2-13 rural areas to remove the subject area and map 2-22 Urban surface area to change the designation of the subject area from Urban expansion area to Urban service area and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repal cability and an effective date this comes to you with a recommendation to approve the proposed comprehensive plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay um does anyone wish for a presentation on this okay is there anyone in the public that wishes to speak to this item we have no one signed up in advance nor online see no one man' approval second roll call vote district one commissioner opy I District Two commissioner W hi District Four commissioner Jer hi District Five commissioner Marana I District three chairman star um I am going to vote I but I just wanted to say that I had a conversation with with um the applicant attorney and um there's a woful lack of parking up there and I asked for staff to kind of take a look at it and see what a remedy might be but you cannot find a parking space up there parking parking oh yeah that's for my H for which not oh sorry I'm on the wrong one never mind I'm looking at 41 Clark's probably going I know what she's talking about that's not the right number okay uh I I say I so that's uh five I okay um on to P35 sorry I have the wrong P35 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter at this time in the November 27th edition of the Tampa uh November 27th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay thank you madam chair and for the record nario Pito Planning Development economic growth item P35 is PD

with the applicable principal structure District setbacks so just to make be clear we have smaller setbacks for accessory structures but in that these are going to be dwelling units we wanted them to follow that of the principal units on the site um and then we want to provide some flexibility right because not every site is the same and we have some people that may want to exceed the size of our minimum or sorry our maximum of the Adu or uh maybe someone wanted to exceed the height for a certain reason we're going to Prov provide the ability for someone to apply for a special exception to deviate from those requirements right because we can't get every scenario so some additional development standards for uh adus uh parking uh so we're providing uh parking needs provided on site unless on street parking is permitted in the neighborhood um the required number of spaces is going to be persuant to our current existing code so nothing crazy there uh the location of an Adu U may be within a single family dwelling or with a separate entrance or a separate structure um so people might want to convert their garage that's part of their existing unit you know if they assuming they uh enclose the garage uh they can have it basically attached to their existing unit in terms of utilities they may be required to connect to existing water sewer electric and utility providers um and then if it's uh in an area that uh does not have well is reliant on well and septic they'll need a letter from the Florida Department of Health uh for connecting that additional Adu uh continued development standards uh so these adus need to be on fixed foundations adus must be built on a permanent fixed Foundation this means the unit must be on P Footers stem walls and Port peers or engineered slabs so kind of trying to avoid mobile homes and single family districts essentially uh garage conversions I already mentioned about the garages uh for garage conversions the garage door shall be removed from it and then the building opening and closed and then uh just a catch all the Florida building code adus must comply with the Florida building code and then some additional standards uh you can only have one Adu permitted per lot uh so you'll have your uh principal structure and then you'll have your one accessory um dwelling unit no more than that um they are going to or proposing adus to be exempt from the comprehensive plan and Zoning density calculations including muds um and we are also uh this was a Planning Commission request so the Planning Commission requested that um you know there with with the recent flooding that we experienced especially back in October that there are some areas in the county that maybe the infrastructure in relation to storm water is not sufficient to support um some additional dwelling units even though they are accessory dwelling units so we are working with um our Public

Works and storm water team to generate a map uh and similar to uh lock coverage and size if you fell uh within one of the areas that was prone to heavy flooding or or flood issues um you would o need to apply for a special exception and that would be reviewed by the Planning Commission as well uh that's where the map's going to be hopefully one b um some additional standards uh vacation rentals neither the primary dwelling nor the Adu can be vacation rentals unless 42.5 pointb is followed so basically we already have uh some code that talks about vacation rentals that they'll need to follow um timing of construction an Adu may be constructed with or after the construction of the principal dwelling unit and and subdividing land with an Adu the Adu must remain on the principal dwelling unit's parcel if a lot split occurs all subdivision regulations and impact and Mobility fees shall apply and so that's basically the text that we're specifically adding for adus a lot of the we had to basically change the some of the code sections to permit adus in the zoning districts so um so some complimentary adjustments we added a definition of accessory dwelling unit to the appendix um we added Adu as a permitted accessory use in all districts that permit single family homes uh we combine principal and accessory lot coverages in those districts where this has not yet been accomplished most of them have and uh we removed caretaker units from the industrial establishments because they're covered in other ukan areas and then we added a note that accessory buildings and structure shall not be constructed within an easement and that's it and um open for comments questions discussion um anything you want to talk about um Seth then commissioner Mariana thank you um good see Patrick first time whatting your new rooll up here what's that this your first time in your new role up here uh yes it is day for you opening day yep so air the airbnbs you you you touched on it we're going to prohibit prohibit uh accessory dwelling units if if that home is classified as an Airbnb I use that as an example CU in the land of lakes area you know going west we struggle with the airbnbs within the lake communities and if these things are permitted there I can see them compounding some of the challenges that we have with the visitors sure and the disruptful that they tend to bring some in the area so what yeah we're not intending to prohibit they just need to follow the existing so there's a separate code section that talks about vacation rentals and the process you need to go through to become a vacation rental like an airbn be um so we're just pointing out specifically for people that hey this other section of the code exists for vacation rentals and there's a process there that you need to follow so we can if we know if they're a good actor and they playing by the rules and they're

registered we can't say probably not a good idea for you to have an Airbnb as long as it's a registered airb because we know what's going on there versus it being a true single family home used as that not a not a vacation spot I'm sorry could you just repeat the question one more time sorry I I understand I'm all for the adus but using them appropriately if we allow an Adu on a known registered Airbnb site that could compound some of the issues that we have with the airbnbs and meaning you have more guest more challenges that the known I'm kind of looping every one in together because the only way you can do it if they're registered do we allow those properties if they're registered Airbnb do we allow those properties to have accessory dwelling that sound due to that challenge and I'm using specifically on our Lakes where staff knows what I'm talking about it's been pretty disruptful to the people who live there fulltime and they haven't been exactly the best neighbors sure so there's pros and cons with everything this is one of the challenges that I didn't know if we could Madam chairman yes commissioner I think if that if that's a policy decision for the board if the board wishes to not allow them if it's not being used as quote the reason you're adopting adus which is to allow a family member to be there to allow aition for whatever reason but if but if if I think you could legally take the position that if they're using it as a rental unit as an Airbnb that we're not going to compound legally or illegally we're not going to compound the problem thank you County attorney well board members you've heard my concerns there so it's up to us just just to give some additional background thank you Liam um so um the the process to have a vacation rental I think uh it's a conditional use requirement so come uh come in for conditional use I think in the last year we've only seen I think 10 was Liam Divine planning do we have 5,000 yeah so yeah you have a lot of un unregistered um short-term vacation rentals they are required to go through a conditional use process um we only have about 10 registered and permitted in the county through through that conditional use process or through a plat so all those other ones would be a violation of the Land Development code because they would have not received that conditional use we do need to start getting those guys registered yeah just want to ask looking at that bullet real quick um the intent here is it says neither the primary dwelling where the ad can be a vation 4 as followed are you making the implicit assumption that at least one is is a residence so for example I have a home I live in the Adu I vacation my house or vice versa the intent or it's to commissioner W's point is are you compounding it by allowing now two essentially a hotel yeah I I think it was we're just trying to make the point

that if either one were going to be a vacation rental that 42.5 needed to be to follow guess mam chair uh commission Mariana I think it's good to just make sure that only one can be an Adu an Adu that's vacation rental e either either either one of the properties only one of them can be a vacation rent the other part pushing cannot go okay okay all anything else that um and then incorporate we have the the notes the gentleman who spoke earlier in the morning session public com mobile homes how how are they treated yeah I mean say you have a mobile yeah mobile home would not on an acre or two or what have you um to commissioner Marano's point that he was we were talking about earlier if we allow a certain footprint they can have a second home help them with impact fees or whatever I mean it's still a home and there's people with sizable properties that can all over this County I mean are we just going to exclude them and not give them an an opport opportunity just pigb backing on what mission Mar was bringing up earlier um I don't think you were here for that but sure Jack way so yeah I might have miss it so we're talking about potentially including mobile homes as potential uses well I'm bigger but let's say you get larger pieces of property and if they do have a mobile home you might have let's say it's and I'll talk about you're 9 100 ft which I think it's too small as well but you may have someone who's going a mobile home now and then they want to go build a home like say on the same property let's say it's a 5 acre piece of property they can meet all the setback requirements why wouldn't I want them to go and build an Adu on that property and I wouldn't want to restrict them being smaller they build Adu and then as they building their future home um okay uh interest so I'm not quite sure why we wouldn't want that to occur but go ahead I think some people might be misunderstanding why we're going I mean the intent of this this isn't to put two homes on one lot this is maybe not your this maybe not your intent but I'll I'll give you the story and we've talked with the staff about this we're trying to get it where people can actually have a home someone else can build a home in the same property the Adu is a good way to go forward I think for all the smaller Lots Etc that you know sticking to a uh a tighter unit is is is good but if I get someone who's in a 5 or 10 acre piece and they want to bring a family member on the property and I it can be an ad use Let It Be I don't want to restrict it the way the size is set up to be in just 900 ft I may have someone who's got a 1,200 ft trailer 1, 1500t trailer they want to build a home maybe they're going to move in the home and then the kids are going to move into the other one or the grandparents whatever it may be I want that flexibility built

into this so and I think that's why we added some of the language about allowing for a special exception to go over the 900 but you you you create another step of the government for the special exception I want to build build in right now lay it all up there where people have some flexibility with their homes we got people that have been waiting as we've talked that are trying to do something similar to what we could accommodate here being that I've got this legislation here I want to put that in play now so when the zoning stuff finally comes up with the next detail you can put that in there but I want to set what's keeping them from doing that now to build another house on a 5 acre you can only have one structure it dep depending on the rules of the subdivision exactly well they're still going to have to follow the rules of the subdivision that's what five this is I want to give the exception to this here this this prevents them from having to go rent a place potentially for a longer period of time there's a lot of flexibility it allows people to use their property more flexibility of use of their property they they stay in it and then they build their house and then they have their Adu and kids or whoever mve in that's the that's the whole premise kind of behind this is to give people more rights to their land I I am in a 100% uh uh in favor of adus I been out trying to do this for over 10 years we did a development long leaf that has adus and every time developers come in to meet with me I say if you do wear loaded you can easily add a accessory dwelling unit over the garage and and it fit seemlessly into the neighborhood what I don't want to see is it's probably I mean some of these districts where they're where you're taking a lot with a mobile home on it and you had another mobile home on it I mean that's not that's going backwards not forwards so um I don't so I I I actually was going to say I think that I think that we should encourage adus well done adus and um and I would say I was having this discussion with David um I don't want there to be impact fees on certain sizes of adus because I want I want people to build them and so I understand if you go to a certain size you're going to have an impact with the school district so I would say um adus and I'm just guessing out a number seven a one bedroom and David said go by feet not bedrooms so 750 ft maybe I mean what's how much how much is a space over garage typically or garage 750 ft would cover that pretty well I think I think those should be if they're on the same water meter and they don't have to have another meter I don't think should they should have any impact um but when you're talking about taking a mobile home and add another one on it I don't know I think that's going backwards not forwards and and I I know I think probably both of you know but just to

State it right if someone has a a a a home and then wants to have a second home on a 5 acre property we do have the mechanism to do that which is subdividing and platting um but I I know that can be also a little bit cumbersome we need to make that easier that we need to make easier we have a gentleman who's got a 5 acre parcel in Hudson on Cony Road I believe it's 5 Acres wanted to add another unit in this house and he couldn't I mean that was like three years ago now that market price has gone up who's probably not going to do it but I want to give people the flexibility now you've got you got different ways to look at it like they said they they only want these in single family districts I think that's wrong that's I'm assuming that's the last page we had all the A's with a circle on them yeah okay which now you said single family so you addressed it with with our ordinance but I want to have people if they're in let's say R4 make it to where they can be the smaller if you want but if they're in a large and and it could be a 5 acre parcel could be a 10 acre parcel let them go figure out what they want to go do you might have a there's many situations you can have someone who's got let's say a a 1,200 ft Trail maybe a 1,200 ft home and they want to put another unit on there and maybe that unit what do you mean by unit on there on the house or on the lot on the lot okay you want to add a cottage not another house this is not this is this is not meant to be a second house in your intention it's not meant to be a second house but I'm telling you for my get go with a conversation about that's something different than this I want to incorporate until we can get the stuff squared away oh I'm I'm not I mean if if I get someone who's got a we got an expert up here that understands ad years if I've got someone who's got a mobile home right and it's call it 12200 ft now they want to go build a house in the same lot but keep the mobile home so a family member can move in there what's wrong with that 5 AC lot now not not R4 5 AC lot what's wrong with that process there I I guess there's some areas in your your neighborhood or your District yeah where they got 10 of them on there that we don't even care I guess uh no I think we care but I'm talking about a specific situation which are address right now I'm going get I'm going myself in a hole there something else just to point out too right so like like pick back in the chair so for example Moon Lake Area they're all half acre plus area and you're going to add more of that to that it would allow them to build they were to get an Adu it I think it'll lead to to to bettering the area it allow them to get their Adu they're staying in that as they're figuring out situation you know their their situation what it just gives people the the flexibility to do more with their property I I I think you are opening up a Pandora's Box to a slump to go backwards how if they have to be on a

slab I mean look at all the construction Abu is a little cute Cottage in the backyard or a apartment over the garage it's not a trailer next to a trailer I mean it's not what it be the rules on this state slab Foundation floor building code it it says how the structure is supposed to be built am I a misunderstanding are they not it's going be a different structure than what's trailer next to a trailer the r did I not hear that well I I think with with our language we are attempting to limit the trailers and and mobile homes um doing site build uh adus absolutely M chair yeah so then you're comfortable let's say there's a mobile on the property and someone's going to build a home or another structure on slab on grade to the conditions that you're okay with that no I I think the mobile why not and and let's take some pictures of what those look like a regular home I got I get a 5ft acre lot I've got a mobile home on it and I want to go build another home that's 2500 maybe 3500 ft on the same property what's wrong with doing that so I I'll just add to one of the No No I want her to answer okay sorry that's that's not the intent is to have two families your intent that that is what an an Adu is not two families living where one was living that's something different an Adu is is is usually a one maximum two bedroom let's say you have a parent who um need you want to put a little cottage in the backyard we had one in my house in Miami um and uh you need there need a care you need a caregiver for a parent that wants to live on your property not go into Al so maximum two bedroom is is usually what an ad you is very rare rarely are they two bedroom they're usually one bedroom or or or a great room and they never run a 5 acre right what and they're not usually on a 5 acre on a small tight Community what we're talking about I'm trying to expand it to make it more flexible that is not an that I'm serving a countywide function here not just one little area one little one little cute little area I'm looking to try to take care of everybody in the county with this ordinance you can't then I want full impact fees on that 100% impact fees because that is something totally different than what we're trying to do here you can't dictate can can one of you guys speak to what typically is an adct are we bearing off from what we started out to do um I guess one caveat I will add is um to to their points other jurisdictions have size ranges that go from four like smaller cities 400 500 to um larger counties that I've seen some up go to 13,00 Square ft so size ranges can vary depending on location but I will say that we are um we're we're trying to um the density restriction right we're we're saying these things don't count towards density I think the the larger you make these and the bigger the impact these things have the argument doesn't get as strong uh isn't as strong once these things become

larger buildings so if we if we're trying to have adus be exempt from the density requirements but it's 3,000 foot building that that might be a little bit of a struggle so if you do if you do a compromise position to that so let's say you get a, 1500 foot unit now and you're going to go build a 2500 unit now give them a credit for the 1,200 next to the 25 now your offset's the same you have a different levels of Permitting impact fees I think the cut off is like, 1500 not sure what 1,500 hire that there's a fee it doesn't go above that number if you give a credit for the Baseline number of however many square foot take it off the other unit that comes in and then you can assess the impact fees from that Madam chairman yes I don't usually do this but I'll try and help um the American Planning Association definition of an accessory dwelling unit an accessory dwelling unit Adu is a smaller independent residential dwelling unit located on the same lot as a standalone I.E detached single family home adus go by many different names throughout the us including accessory Apartments secondary Suites granny Flats adus can be converted portions of existing homes internal adus additions to new or existing homes I.E attached adus or Standalone accessory structures or converted Pro portions of existing Standalone accessory structures I detached adus but it doesn't say it's a second house or second so full so by definition it clearly should not be bigger than the primary structure yes um that would be something other than an accessory dwelling unit but right that's another home not an accessory that's home number two right I mean right see Liam Liam's agreeing with me you he can say that cuz he's leaving now not going to get in trouble um I I are any of you guys or any of you guys familiar with adus that could come up and help this board understand them take a pole why because I don't think you trying or C or somewhere and get educated on some of this stuff and it's really frustrating that you're talking about two houses on a lot and I'm talking about an accessory dwelling unit and I think it's two different things mam chair yeah and hearing the county attorney's definition I'm not going to argue the point of what the Adu is but I will tell you my staff conversations I'm a little disappointed this didn't come out and we didn't like try to work because you know I'm trying to work on people that are trying to build a home with another home on there and bring something forward for that so I'll say this it's after we get done with this conversation maybe in committee reports I want to bring it up that's what I'm trying to accomplish I was given thoughts where this could be modified to make that work um I'm hearing differently now but I I do want to make

sure we can work with the people that live here 5 10 acre Parcels that want to build another home to have a family member there and maybe it's bigger bigger to smaller or smaller to big bigger but I want people to be able to do something with their property instead of just having to sell developers because they can't keep on going where they want to live yeah I I think we recognize what you're talking about our our subdivision regulations and platting regulations are are somewhat cumbersome and can be difficult um I we are actively I think trying to meet and work on making that process more efficient and quicker um so those scenarios that you're describing won't take years and I and I agree with you I I'll give you an example um you know you know remember Jose you know Jose the real estate guy um so there there was a home that David Williams built in a subdivision off of pla I can't Williamsburg maybe big giant beautiful home and um a actually a producer from La bought it so and they wanted to build a little a little two-bedroom Cottage in the back for when they had family visit from California and because that subdivision and fairly Big Lots in there had already been subdivided so many times they could not add a little guest Cottage and so what they end ended up having to do was build a walkway to the guest Cottage and that it was all the same house if it's attached I mean it's kind of silly so um so I I do think there's things that we need to fix because they should have been allowed to do that without having to subdivide Plat whatever that is um so I I'm in agreement with you on some things but I'm not in agreement with you on on your big picture on this one on this particular and I don't want to slow this down because I'm trying to encourage people to add these little apartments over their garages you're and um and we have a developer in here who doing a lot of rear loaded product and they have a great opportunity to add these and I say if they're you know 750 or below I don't think there should be any impact piece if it's a one bedroom or or or a uh you just a little cottage I don't think there's any impact well why couldn't we just do the 900 like he was proposing and then if they needed a special well cuz I'm thinking exception then they would get the impact fee I'm thinking of uh the house that my daughter's renting um right they're moving in in a couple weeks it's a little cottage in Newport Richie and it's it's 800 F feet but it's it's two bedrooms a living room a kitchen a bathroom a little laundry room that's kind of to me to not charge any impact fees that's kind of pushing it I at some point the school district's going to want a school impact fee and there may be more impact to the neighborhood I don't know what that number is I probably should have asked before this meeting what the right number is to be where we don't charge any impact impacts impact fees um but David said

don't go by bedrooms he said go by feet so thrown out a smaller one than 900 feet a adus currently have a reduced rate um I know but it's not it's still something so I think we'd have to ask the school district what number they'd be comfortable with in terms of basically a DI minimist threshold where that we shouldn't assess any impact fee maybe know I I was trying to get to a one-bedroom because a family is not going to move into a one-bedroom so the discussion Planning Commission was they'd be assessed a lower rate which is the multif family rate there is a lower school impact fee for smaller the same rate as an apartment it's still significant but it's still a fee so if you wanted to exempt them entirely my biggest concern is schools I mean I in theory parks and Library there's already a reduced fee for Mobility but we could reduce that further as part of our update my biggest concern is schools cuz that's not just us that's the school district too I don't want to be our board to be just saying they're exempt from school impact fees without without conferring with the school district on what what square footage they'd feel comfortable there's basically a DI Minimus impact of the school district and therefore we can exempt them entirely I don't think it's 900 square F feet I'll be honest with you I'm not even sure if it's 750 but I'd have to talk to Chris Williams about that well we're just we're in discussion today but we can we can between now and the final public hearing we can have that discussion with the school district what's your thoughts on that well you look right first huh um my thoughts of this as far as I want to give people flexibility if they want to go to 1,200 so be it if you want to if you want to look at well if if you want to look at the numbers over the impact for you so be it but give the people the option I mean you could be in a 3,000 ft home and you want to go over the top of the garage you may have take part of the other room and go back and it may turn up to 1,200 ft and you may get your son and daughter coming in with their baby they want to live above you for a year or two while they're trying to get their self squared away whatever the case may be maybe family members or grandparents that want to come down for like 6 months a year and you want to create that but they need livable space to go and my parents separately both live in like 1,200 ft units they're both two bedroom but if they had someone coming down they can accommodate them and not just crush them out of space either I want to give I want to give the flexibility to me 12200 is too big that's that's another house that's a house you're being taxed on it property appraiser is going to ding it you're going to be paying on it one way or another it's not like it's a coupon that person going to be paying permitting and you name it is not what county's going to Fe them to death they were going to be taxed on it so it's not like they're getting a hall pass on paying into the coffers you know what

what I don't want to see is a 1,200 sorry square foot trailer put another 1,200 foot trailer on their property and call it n you we're back to a different scenario so well in that scenario your scenario can happen well I was talking about 5 acre lots 10 acre lots we're now talking about adus as the County Attorney described it so it's a different world now could that happen in what he's saying I I I think the we're back to the um finished floor the mobile homes I think is is out of the conversation at this point so I think we're just talking about two units yeah um uh two two uh 900 square feet gives you you know the two bedroom two bath um full service kitchen two bedroom 900 ft would be the max I think that's a two not my daughter's running 800 square fet and it's two bedrooms the bathroom a kitchen living room dining room and I know the answer isn't the best answer but there is a mechanism currently to allow you to exceed that if yes it is another process that it can be timec consuming but there is something to go above that I want to make it easy I want to give people flexibility I understand well 900 is a pretty good size 900 is a pretty good size getting a special yeah what about architectural details um for well we don't enforce architectural details at least for ukian for mpud we would defer to the mpud if there was was anything there I think the commissioner is asking do you is there anything in the Adu ordinance that would have an architectural detail some places make a match the architecture vernacular of that of the current house I mean you don't we're going to be changing the MPD conditions to talk about actually we're goinging to do the opp to have different yeah but I think you may be forgetting we're preempted on that issue oh that's true well remember the state law changed and we well did it preempt an Adu specifically it preempted our ability to regulate architecture on single family dwellings so this is arguably a single family dwelling now with the MPS they're right they sometimes voluntarily do architectural requirements but that's something the developer proposes voluntarily to get their mut approved but you remember this the state preemption on this issue yeah i' answer that easy peasy you know be careful what we need to be careful but I think I think I think Patrick hears us I think we're want to move forward since it's just a reading today yep maybe set some offsite meetings or what have you and see what you come up with in your brainstorm room and then when we bring it back have something you know for final that way for for the sake of time I think we're all on the same team here and agree we need to move forward and just I don't think this is something I think we should just spend the next hour flushing out here I think sure if we meet priv you know

individually and then go from there and do it and um well we do want to take public comment um and for the record for my planners maybe some architect Andre Stan's cousin bred R Adu in the backyard she lived there for years Madam chair yeah just one quick question on the section F on number two um it says as far as the P quter stem walls P peers does it matter if it's p or metal um I do not know um I can get clarity on that I relied on the building department for that so I can check with them I know some that do metal Pier so if you could put that flexibility in that would be good okay got it are you taking public comment now yes okay would anyone like to speak to this come on up Mr engineer good afternoon board Jeremy couch 6624 with stal Loop so I actually had this conversation with Denise Hernandez probably a year or two ago um one of the things I think you should consider is not requiring it to meet the principal setbacks it kind of wipes out your ability to build about 90% of these if they have to meet like a 20 foot rear yard and 10-ft side yard if if the intent is to have garage apartments garages can be built within 5T of the property lines and so in theory this small dwelling would be on top of that so and everywh look we have restrictions did we put restrictions in here on it says it has to meet the principal structure which my neighbor can build a 5,000 ft metal building 5 foot from my property line but can't put an air conditioner and a sink and a dishwasher in there yeah same with my neighborhood aista so that's a challenge an accessory building but it's an accessory building and it should meet accessory setbacks thank you um I did have a question on wait does anyone else want to speak to this um I did have a question if you convert your garage um to an accessory dwelling unit it's not at the same elevation as the house is that an issue with flooding who I'm sorry what was the question if if you're allowing a garage conversion yeah garages are lower um any flooding issues or floor height requirements I would assume when the permit application came in through Central Permitting they'd be looking at finished floor and habitable space with the building permit application if they needed to change it so if it's an existing house uh and they're not at the um current FEMA BF um do they have to bring the would they have to bring the new unit up or how does that I we need to comp plate these things yeah yes and that's a um I don't specialize in building permitting but I'm almost positive the answer is that they'll need to provide flood proofing um to to the unit if anyone knows better than I do feel free to speak up all right so these are just things we got to flush out between now and the next next hearing yeah right and yes with Florida building code um we have the language in there so I I would think that yes if

they're trying to turn something that wasn't habitable into something that is habitable the Florida building code would uh apply and then yes they would have to make sure it's flood proofed okay okay well we don't take any action then right today spirited discussion yes um May I I so yes I I hear there's some work to be done but maybe some clear Direction on because I I've heard a few things so I just want to make sure that's um the direction I go in now is is the correct direction what direction are you going in well that I'm looking for clarity because there's been a lot of communication and if there's well well um I know I don't want 1,200 square ft so I I think we had some consensus at 900 no two Oakley speak up over there where where are you the consensus was if we went higher they're going to look at the impact fees and talk with the school district and see what the opportunities with that work so we could go higher but it may trigger some level of a fee or impact fee but that's to be determined by getting Council from the school district that we were going to explore that I think at 12 1 12200 is the size of a house and that is a different issue than building a little cottage in your backyard so right yes not that I goad I thought this was about accessory houses not another house being built on on the same property right and it would be either somehow connected to the main house by a sidewalk or or something to it like if you had an outside garage you'd change it convert that over but it wouldn't be this huge building and you wouldn't be allowing people come in and build a bigger home than the original home it' been accessory building only so you're not allowing people to if you got a property that's 5 acres and you got a home on it you don't just bring out the fact that you uh put a larger home on there just because you you think it's an accessory that's not an accessory thank you so that that wouldn't be part of part of this uh issue right here so the fact of it is is this a smaller building like you're here and you got elderly parents and they want to move near their family and their children so they can be the children can actually have take care of them and they live in this accessory uh building yeah I thought that was the whole purpose that is the accessory yeah I I I hear what you guys are saying that um but that's a different issue but than accessory dwelling yeah I hear what they're saying but the fact of it is we're not putting this up so you got one one house for 5 acres to put another home on 5 Acres that'd be two houses for 5 Acres agreed this is not set up to do that and we're not allowing that so this is only for one house and the fact that if you need an accessory unit either for a child that's gotten injured or whatever needs extra care to maybe want want their own little space that's that's okay or if it's family I know in the Pasco Trails there's a family out there waiting to get this done so they can build an accessory unit

connected to their house that their parents could live in and they help take care of them that's what I thought about that's three votes hang on okay but we got I got I have a very important appointment I'm going to keep this so commissioner Oakley so again accepting the attorney's definition I'm going to work on the ordinance for the other thing for bigger things for bigger properties but as far as this goes as far as like whether it be 900 or 1,200 if you got a family that's say let's say they get a 3500 sare foot home on 5 Acres up in trillby wherever it may be and the parents want to come down but they need room and 900 is not going to be enough you're going to tell me that you don't want to Lum out another $300 Fe if they wanted to go do it and willing to pay the fees well I think that's something we' have to discuss the time yeah that's to be a special occas go and yeah I'm just trying to make it easy for them but again my whole perception of what this was going to be a talking the staff is different from what the intent of an a normal ad is I get that I'm inform someone wants to get a bring an accessory dwell unit they are a big piece of property and they want to go to a larger unit why keep them from if they get the room I'm going to show you something you can take a walking tour and long um okay we're going to keep moving okay got three thank you for your time got some direct Patrick before before you leave um yes normally you announce when the second hearing is going to be before you conclude okay uh yes uh March 25th I believe you the memo says March 20 25th no don't do it that day because I won't be here new Jack would be appr move approval March 25th be in yeah okay can't do that has it been advertised uh I think so but we'll have to okay we'll make it work okay all right thank you good job Patrick good job was a lot b35 I think oh 37 I got to get back to my other 37 we have appr we have approve publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 12th 19th 26th and March 5th 2025 editions of the 10 thank you madam chair nario pitos Planning Development economic growth item p37 is PD 250 1 one1 this is an ordinance amending Pasco County ordinance number 23-8 Contracting and expanding the boundaries of harvest Hills Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date this comes here with the recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay um board members do you want to see uh a uh presentation on this okay is there anyone in the audience who wishes to speak to this okay I'll take a motion is anyone

online for this one no we have no one online for anything okay I want one move approval second all in favor oh is this roll call sorry Roll Call district one commissioner o District Two commissioner W hi District three uh four commissioner Jagger hi District Five commissioner Marion hi District three chairman St I P38 approve we approv publication again the February 12th 19th 26th and March 5th 2025 editions of the Tampa item P38 is PD 25126 this is an ordinance establishing the Harvest Hills South Community Development District pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date this comes you with a recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay board members do you need a presentation on P38 is there anyone here who wishes to address P38 and we have no one online I'll take a motion approval second all in favor a roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner W hi District Four commissioner joer hi District Five commissioner Marano I District three chairman starky I okay we're now at uh the public hearings do we need to uh would you like me to read procedures I would thank you there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application of board County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition to the application the application will be will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request that the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law enfor is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's

Land Development code for resoning Mr clerk would you like to swear the public in yes sir at this time anyone wishing to give it a testimony or speak to any of the rezoning items that are fixing to come up please stand again if you expect or anticipate that you may u give information in any of the resoning manners please stand at this time please raise your right hand do you swear or firm that you any testimony you will give is the truth so have you got thank you please be seated when you come forward to the podium uh as was mentioned please give your name and address for the record and acknowledge the fact that you were sworn thank you okay P39 P39 we have proof publication uh in the October 23 2024 ition of the Tampa Bay Time supplemented by certified mailings and site postings for the meeting of January 14th 2025 at which time it was continued to February 11th where it was continued to today and it is proposed by agenda to be contined great um so do we just continue it I can't yes uh P39 is PD 257 651 this is the zoning Amendment for tall timbers mpud by Extreme Team 41 LLC which is a resoning application to change from AC agricultural District to CC connected city mpud which is in Connected City in the community Hub area the request is to continue this application to the May 6 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m in date City okay and this was advertised as a continu so we don't need to take public comment we do not okay P40 no you need to take motion though to continue second y second all in favor I I P40 again uh we have approved the publication of this matter in the October 27th 20204 edition of the Tampa Bay times for the meeting of November 12th 2024 where it was continued to February 11th of 2025 and there it was contined to today all right this is advertised as a continuance let him read the title in uh item P40 is PD 27738 this is a zoning amendment in the name of Evans county line 80 mpud master plan master plan unit development by Evans Properties Incorporated which is a resoning to change from AC agricultural District to mpud uh this it comes through with the request to continue the application to the May 6 2025 board accounting Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m in Dade City okay thank thank you continue uh I need a second second all all in favor I p41 e41 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 19th 2025 edition of the T May Time supplemented by an Affidavit of certified mailings and site post item p41 is pde 25007 this is a comprehensive plan Amendment the name of CPA 24 O2 HCA ban at Point PD which is an application to transmit a comprehensive plan Amendment to the uh an amendment to the Future lus Maps 2-5 and sheto 3 changing from Ro retail office residential and res 6 residential six dwelling UNS per grow acre to PD plan development on 62.9 Acres of real property located on the east and west side of 5A Road at the

southeast corner of the intersection of 5A Road and Hudson Avenue uh and a text Amendment creating sub area policy flu 7 1.83 HCA BPD and a map Amendment to the Future land use map 2-9 adding Subara map 2- 983 HCA ban at Point PD this comes to you with recommendation to authorize transmittal of the proposed amendment to the Department of Commerce also known as Florida Commerce and other reviewing agencies and there is a presentation of so desired um board members do you want a presentation I met with the applic okay um this is the one I want to talk about parking I know this just comp but um yeah they don't have enough parking and so we um need to be working with them to figure out a solution it's probably going to have to be structured parking but there's no place to park when you go up there to a doctor's office you want to pull that discuss and go through because this is a place to discuss it I don't think no this is your comprehensive plan Amendment so you deal with during the during the zoning yeah okay um I clarify we're leaving it on consent uh let me see if anyone wants to speak about this issue anyone in opposition to this item we have no one online so we'll leave it on consent okay p42 p42 we have approv publication champ May times February 5th 2025 supplemented by an Affidavit of certified mailings and S posts item p42 is PD 27846 this is a zoning amendment in the name of Andrea and Josephine manino it's a change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district to a R4 high density residential district in central Pasco County on the south side of Tindle Road approximately 900 ft east of curly Road containing approximately 10 acres this comes you with a recommendation to adopt the zoning Amendment and authorize the chairman to execute the resolution also there was an expar that was submitted this morning that has been passed to the uh clerk's office and there's a presentation if so desired board members would you like to see a presentation okay um is there anyone who would like to speak against this uh p43 okay see no one consent p42 oh p42 okay p43 P4 3 uh approv of publication February 5th 2025 Edition 10 May Time supplemented by an after of certify mailing and post item p43 is pde 27852 this is a zoning amendment in the name of Ben R Turner trust Ben R Turner trustees Pasadena Trail change in zoning from a AC agricultural District to an ar5 agricultural residential district in East Central Pasco County at the southwest corner cor of the intersection of Clinton Avenue in migs Lane containing approximately 37.5 Acres this comes you with the recommendation to adopt the zoning Amendment and authorize the chairman to execute the resolution and there's a presentation of

so desired for the record I think we just need to note that there's typo in the in the uh heading that should probably be a scrier considered the scribers there and been Turner trustee um it's a shorthand is what I understand that's what the name of the application but we can fix it if you like okay is there does anyone wish a presentation on this one all right and um is there anyone here to speak against this p43 okay we will leave it on consent and that's the end of our consent agenda move approval the consent agenda second all in favor I okay um now we are on to p44 p44 um proof of publication Tampa Bay Times February 19 2025 Again supplemented by a certifi certificate Affidavit of certified mailing site good afternoon William for Millian planning Economic Development this is item pd25 7793 zoning amendment in the name of R Ranch a rezoning request from AC agricultural to mutd master plan unit development this project is located within three villages within the villages passing into Hills Village g j and k this one the star indicates a rough location showing the entire extent of this master plan it covers 441 acres here is that rezoning request on 414 acres for 614 dwelling units it extends from the south side of kefir road to the north side of overpass Road here is that location map here is the comprised Villages master plan of all three villages if you were looking at the screen you can see that the subject site is outlined in a light blue color most of the village is comprise of neighborhood General it has some neighborhood Edge along the wetlands in Village K as well as some core residential As you move down into Village J which is indicated by the dark brown the neighborhood Edge areas will be comprised of aate residential lots bordering the core Reserve Wetland there in Village K with a minimum 75 ft in total lot width single family detached makes up the lighter shade Brown of the neighborhood General as well as town homes in the core residential there along um village J across from handcart Road there's one variation request with this MPD from 91611 from Street design and dedication requirements to not provide an interconnect to the to the West due to those core Reserve Wetlands they'll never be developed you can see it's shaded there in green the applicant is just proposing not to to make a St out into the wetlands what um what can you go back to that map which ones are you talking about sure because you're showing two it's actually I'll show you real quickly I when I bring up the master plan I think it'll make it a little bit more clear but this imp imput spans the portions of three villages it straddles

the line in between all three so it's a portion of Village k a portion of Village G and a portion of Village J type three type two and type one Villages respectively so this is what I was this was what I was speaking to this is a little more zoomed in you can see the the boundary of The Villages there and those purple dotted lines so the the yellow portions there which is the the lightest areas of residential where the estate lots are going to go is the lowest density next to the Wetland and that's where the applicant is proposing not to have an interconnect because it would just be into the core Reserve that dark brown area is where the the town homes will be slated and then single family detached in the brown area that hatched marking to the north leaves a provision for up to 20,000 ft of commercial if the applicant chooses so in market conditions in Phase 2 which is allowable under the vop comprehensive plan per Village uh there's 20,000 Square ft outside of Village Center set aside for neighborhood commercial use on the right side of this master plan you can see the internal layout of the street Network which is inclusive of trails and paths that follow along the vop typical roadway sections the 50 AA and the 70aa typicals respectively as well as some trails that Meander outside of those roadway typicals connecting the different product types together through the open space are you saying there are there are Trails there that are not just along the road yes ma'am so what design what design criteria are they trying to get away from besides the interconnected where there's Wetlands that that's the only variation from the code this application seeking Madam chair yeah would you go back to the previous slide and by the way I think if you're going to do these slides you have markings on the the markers got to be a little bit clearer and absolutely I didn't make these Maps I defer to uh Mr Clark Hobby and his team for making the maps like a little shed a little bit of the blame there all right the previous slide there okay this one here yeah so as I look up the yeah I to point that there's a there's a thin thin wetland in the midst of the whole thing um what's where are you looking under Village G is that Village G well it's I can't follow your map the other map show okay so go go go back to the other map though please so so if you go just go bring that Arrow straight across straight across straight across right there when you go from that point there should be a connection there cuz it's a thin thin wedland over there why wouldn't that connect or is it the the roadway or the Wetland yeah you're saying you don't want to go through a wetland to connect no so their their connection is they're proposing to not connect over here to this area they are building this roadway segment North which is a vision Road South to overpass as well as building

this Vision Road here okay cuz they don't want to go the wet yeah they're just not and what I'm saying is go up a little bit higher right across there's a thin little stretch of Separation no go down right there go right AC straight across right here right in this between there and Road between there and there there should be at least a stop out to get get through and let that person connect from there there it's a small little window this yellow space here no the there's two yellow space and the thin thin Little Green Space oh right here right there there should be an interconnection that will eventually connect to there that's I could understand the part yeah otherwise you have drive all the way around I can let the applicant speak to that I don't want to make a a decision for them but I I can I can draw real pretty Bridge with character this comes with a recommendation from Planning Development economic growth as well as the village passing Hills planning and policy committee I'm available for any questions but I I do have a question for you we don't have a b a concept A A bonding or somewhat binding concept plan on this so we're we don't know what we're going to get David Engel planning and economic development director we are aggressively working on bring bringing forth a policy memorandum proposal of the board dealing with mpud binding component plans we had a lot of confusion with the tbba and some of our stakeholders because there's a contradiction between binding and concept so what we've done is we've realign the process to the existing Land Development code requiring requiring interpretive analysis for each of the provisions in the code to bind the intent and the context of the board approval so this plan um it has cross section typical cross-sections and design details of the roads of the walkways and also the typical lot layout and it allows the applicant to have Market flexibility to change the mix within the loom but not exceed or or provide a minimum uh the minimum has to be provided as well as not to exceed it's a minimum and maximum to the type of flexibility that we're allowing so um we're meeting with the tbba next week but this is consistent with our draft proposal that we bring to the board it is yes ma'am thank you real quick for the record I did provide the updated Loom as well as the applicant's advertisement to the clerk's office before this what does it say balloon is that something that we need to know about it it made I need to know what that I don't have it so it it made the the LOM more strict did establish those minimums and maximums that David just spoke about instead of being able to convert at whatever trip rate there is minimums and maximums of what they can and can't convert you know we we're asking these questions just for the Public's

edification because we've chipped away and chipped away at the really cool plan that we had and I I think we want to protect the integrity and the quality of what these Villages are supposed to be and um you know we're still waiting on our big picture discussion of what we've done um but I know it's changed considerably when it first started uh but so we we have concerns uh Madam chair Commissioners Clark hobby hobby and hobby PA 109 North North breast Street Tampa Florida have been swor and sworn at by my wife uh I just uh you asked about the loom in this case uh commissioner the mpud is very specific about where the uses can go the tow houses can only go in the core area in the one Village that was identified near hand cart and uh the loom the only reason we even have one in this case is when we started off we weren't exactly sure where the products were going to be limited except by The Villages and so we studied an unusually large amount of single family detached and the only conversion that can occur is from single family detached to the tow houses that we need in that one Village core area or to the U retail or office that could occur up on keeper that staff pointed out to you in the very small area up there that's the only conversion that can occur there and we put mins and Maxes for the tow houses and the single family uh per year instructions but it does not change where the uses can go in any way they're limited by both the master plan and the vop rules um can you going back to that road network is that um can I see that again I'm going to ask Christy Barrera to come up and help on the plan aspects since she spent a a bunch of time working I like see lots of of culde saacs and things and I thought we were building walkable communities in doop Christy Barrera with height design 5904 Hampton Oaks Parkway Tampa Florida I have been sworn and we have done a lot of work on this project Taylor Morrison is the applicant they have been uh very helpful in getting us through this process so as you can see on the left hand side there are quite a few Wetlands on the property and they're not large round Wetlands they are strands of wetlands that go all the way through the site so rather than Crossing those Wetlands with streets we have in key locations crossed those Wetlands with multi-purpose Trails so the residents can get from one area to the other by you know foot uh bike or golf cart not necessarily by vehicle but we think that's a good compromise to make this a walkable community so where's the where's the area that commissioner Mariana was pointing out on this so that is um in the northern portion of the site let's see if you go to the previous map you see it better I know you can't see it on this one so the and confus Clark didn't make the maps I made the maps but we made them to uh be a they're kind of yeah so if you zoom in on your screen you can see it much better the map

previously showed all of Village K all of Village J and allive Village G so yes commissioner Mar I know you're correct there is a smaller a narrow portion of the category one Wetland that could be crossed but that Upland portion is not on our site the portion of the Upland that is within our property boundary is very narrow it's currently planned for storm water ponds and flood plane ponds so it's a very narrow area that we feel would be better for ponds than for a road and it's not planned to be developed with residential units in that particular location Madam chair yeah see the problem is when you're into connecting and you're trying to fit things in it may not be good for your plan to be there but the interconnection for otherwise people got to drive all the way around to get places if you can take it that connection point right there that's a benefit for everybody who's trying to get to that Village K over there without having to go all the way around because it's surrounded by Wetland anyway commissioner Mariano uh we can we can talk about it and I understand what you're saying I would point out for the the commission's benefit some of the the East Pasco Commissioners are very aware of this this was all part of the historic Kirkland Ranch and they are trying to preserve all of the property you're talking about connecting to it's been uh uh proposed for the last year and a half to be completely conserved and preserved pursuant to a state Grant would have any development on it so we could hypothetically on our piece of property right in there we could build some kind of stub but it would be cutting off in the middle of our ponds and stubbing to another area where there's a category one Wetland that this no isn't working okay right and there they would if this ever gets developed over here and again they're trying to preserve it all now they would have to build another category one Wetland Crossing just to get to where our stub would be it just we didn't think it was very practical or meaningful where is the school if that's Kirkland brch up purple up in the purple area up here right there that's where the high school is M so all that land is Kirkland Ranch yes and so that's what they've been trying to conserve and uh state representative magard you know asked that there be in a legislative appropriation last year and I think the Governor shot it down I think it actually made it through the house and the Senate and was shot down but they're still working on another conservation policy there again this isn't the end of the world for us but also just think that isn't a super meaningful connection I don't think it'll ever amount to anything so those two roads are what roads are those that are going through there the the road that runs up through that area is called North South Avenue B it's one of the vision roads that comes up through our site all the way down here from overpass runs all the way up here and then there's not that one the one going through Kirkland Ranch oh this that one

this has three or four different names but I believe this ends up being um it's called New River and then it turns in watergrass Parkway Magnolia Island Parkway but that's that'll go away obviously if there's no development I don't know who would be building it um that's the one that when rayad was at the school board commissioner that he was trying to make go away for a long time um because it went right next it just clogs up the other roads if we don't have right yeah but we again we're not making any decision about that I just I want to make sure you all knew the connection you're talking about I don't think is ever really going to amount to a hill of beans so what's the blue line the blue line which is much clearer when you zoom in is the actual property boundary line so it's it's a very Jagged piece of property it goes from kefir on the North overpass on the south hand cart on the East and that very large category one Wetland on the west well um you know we have no guarantee that K and ranch is going to be taken off and so I think I'm kind of thinking I kind of want to preserve that connection ability but but what are your thoughts and then if it does become that it's just a pedestrian access into into The Preserve speak up it's just a just throw out there I don't know how much is going to be happening with Kirkland Ranch unless it's get get funded for a preserve or something from the state but they turned it down last year so they turn it down twice yeah so it's going to be hard to get that funded for that so then it'll be developed and then and then all then there's no interconnectivity which is a problem that's when our roads don't function and and just to bring up the point in the vop vision roads there was no vision road interconnectivity across that very large category one Wetland so there were multiple north south roads but very purposefully that East West Road was stopped east of the category 1 Wetland because they did not want to cross that environmental area well I can see that going north south but east west just accessing all that yellow to the West is something that we should think about you're talking about the East West correct so East West Street B which butt the top one okay so this street here ends at North South Avenue B does not continue West right so that was very purposeful when vop Master roadway plan was created it does continue farther east and goes up to what we're now calling Jen heral Parkway um and goes up to the district Park but the thought was it would be better not to cross that category one Wetland that chair I if I get a piece of prod to the legislature twice shut down twice I mean I don't know how I can consider that not getting developed that's I mean you've got a village in there you got a road going through there and if we don't put that connection in

it's and it's this narrowest connection of them all you you miss a great opportunity otherwise everyone's going to drive all the way up and around to get to that point circling back down agreed so commissioner I I I spoke with our client we can build it but I I just want to be clear to the board what's happening here you're talking about us stubbing something between where we're supposed to be building Retention Ponds you chose to put it there I well that's we have to have the retention somewhere that's where the lowest part of the land is but if we put it in there it's literally going to be like a 100 foot stub and the only way they'll be using it because they don't have enough buildable property east of the category Wetland is if they have an impact to the category Wetland to cross it it's it just I in our business I think it's highly unlikely that anybody's going to ever do that for that amount of buildable property but if that's what the board you know is insisted upon we can do that it's just I mean it's a use it's going to require us underutilizing the area that we would normally use for flood plane compensation and ponds for an interconnection that I don't think will ever be meaningful but if that's what the board's pleasure is I suppose we'll have to do it I yes I mean believe we're struggling putting all these little pieces of the puzzles comeing together but literally you've got a village k type three if it's coming in that way and it does come in again we're back to the same thing of you lack of connectivity if the stub's there when the guy comes in if he does all the building we can say okay we're going to have you connect right to the property over there we can make that part of the situation there I understand what what will happen though is we'll come back in 20 years and we'll have 125 foot stub into nowhere but I understand what the board wants so if that's what the board wants that's what we'll do is the board asking for a construction of that St or just the right of way so that somebody could later build I think it should go to the property line what he's asking is is it sufficient if we've provide the rideway or an easement which we would rather do than having to permit the construction of a road there's no reason to build a road until they develop until the dev we would much rather do that would make it a lot easier on us because again and and then VP would be funding the road anyway no not on that's not a road that's identified on the master roadway plan neighborh but if Village K is developed you can require them to build yeah the other person could build it if we give the right away okay well we'll we'll do that Commissioners I think that's a good compromise that was the theory okay to get there okay we're happy to answer any other questions you all might have yeah um commissioner waitman and I I I have more

comment on that okay well you want to finish your mind well I just want to say um if it does become a preserve I think that could be an entrance so I want to say if it does become a preserve we need a pedestrian access Into The Preserve um we did that at starky Ranch we have you know a bunch of entrances into the park and if that's a park then that would let that'd be great for this community but there should be access into into the park from there commissioner why don't we do this we'll we'll say that the right away that we're going to provide for the County's benefit and there will be 50 ft wide and that will match your crosssection that would allow for pedestrian and uh Road connections for vehicles yeah is second good okay all right U this is a public hearing is there anyone question oh sure go ahead the the loom in the loom the the 20,000 ft of commercial right then that's in potentially that they could Loom the project could loom out right um what do you think the probability is of that kind of hard to tell it it it's hard to tell you would think over the Long Haul where the only place this can occur and it's we don't have the map up now we're confusing the heck out of the people running the Elmo and everything but it it it's up at where North South Avenue B will meet kefir and so that's a collector and a collector Road over time I don't think there's going to be any demand for that site to be retail I would think in the next 5 years or so but it could be and we don't know when it will even develop for residential and the rules and vop allow you to have in certain Villages up to three village centers up to 20,000 square fet and so we just put that in there as an option in case you know the the demand is ever warranted and the property hasn't been developed but it's a very small piece Christy you remember how big it is I know it is I'm hopeful that it doesn't loom out is what I'm saying so all right that's all okay thank you thank you okay is there anyone else is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item okay to the board move approval with the noted condition to make the interconnection right away at 50 ft and that one section discussed second okay all in favor I I post none all right you got it Madam chair just for the record on p 40 oh you said there there no U we just want to record that the officer who a revised Village master plan and next part from you okay as to this item which is from the or distributed okay um p44 no 45 p45 we january2 good afternoon William for Millian Planning Development economic growth this is a zoning Amendment pte 27834 Harvest Hills West vop MPD in the name of Galvin Land Services a resoning request from AC agricultural to MD master plan unit development District this proposal is to allow for the

maximum development of 279 dwelling units on approximately 100 acres at the intersection of Prospect and W Road this project is also within the Villages of Pas Hills located within Village f a rough location here indicated by the star here's an aerial view showing the uh the current alignment of Prospect Road and the roundabout there at Boulevard and curly this is the master plan for the village showing neighborhood general for this area as well as the village FM plan which is majority neighborhood Edge little bit lower density on the southern portion of the site bifurcated by Prospect Road this is the master plan for this mpud showing the new alignment of Prospect Road that will be built by this imp pey connecting Into the Now what will be the double roundabout at marada and curly showing those different densities of course more dense to the north less density to the South however as we'll see here the applicants not proposing to develop the southern portion so it will be uh kept as wetlands and conservation and the majority of that density will be used on the Northern portion these are rear loaded town homes with possible ad use yes ma'am and they are limited at 900 square F feet per the conditions of approval perfect just to just to throw a wrench in there is that a double is that a double roundabout it is it's a figure8 roundabout wow don't ask me about that one but Ted to do Ted was kind enough to design that for us and says it's safe enough so we're excited about it sa safe enough right there's the caveat no there is one variation request from this uh MPD from 91611 Street design and dedication requirements they're not proposing an interconnect directly to the North or directly to the South however the northern interconnect is taken care of with this new alignment of Prospect Road the the citizens that live in this development will be able to go north on curly through that roundabout and instead of connecting to there's an existing dirt road along the northern boundary called Leonard which is not in the master roadway plan and instead of impacting those residents that use it to privately access some single family residential the the residents will be accessing curly via the new alignment and no interconnect to the to the South because the applicant doesn't intend to develop the South per this plan they wouldn't be able to unless they come in for a modification so no Southern access is required here however in the future residents would be able to access health both on curly and on W wart road which is a vision Road there on the eastern boundary Madam chair yeah so I'm going to say I just came from development over off Colony Road look at the connection and there's a development to the side of it almost almost like this here and what we did was we put a

straight road going through to the other development keep mind the development drops down to the backyard about Fair Winds uh or what's that what's that called it's a different name bright bright Brighton maybe it's on the uh uh Eastern side and it's a little dip in in the road behind the lots that are there that eventually is designed to though to make a cut there now W road if anybody's been down there the connection point to that is going to be a long time coming the connection road to this one here could be a long time coming but if I can get a north south connection this and skipping a double rotary and eventually when that thing goes out 50 years later so be it I mean I think you should put a te there put a fence there but at least have that access we can get out there when it you know it could might be 50 years down the road but not talking about to the north to the north yes well it does look like there there is a te in the neighborhood that could maybe eventually one day go through so you're talking about the existing lard Road intersection with the current alignment of prospect if I'm if I'm hearing you correctly to the left side of the picture we have the there's two green areas in it two big big rectangles to the one to the left side of the screen going straight up as a road there yes sir that that T intersection will be left there and leard will be untouched but there's no T there it's yellow there this is a a current T intersection it's tough to see with this aerial but Leonard Road does travel along here to this T intersection where you can go up north to uh current curly and then accesses these these homes down here it'll it'll just be left untouched in its current condition just because it's not on the master roadway plan for the Villages of Passa Hills all right but just don't listen I think get my point the road that's above above it there's no te connecting to there at least that I can see talk about Leonard Leonard I guess there's no north south connection potential for Leonard down the road I'm I'm not sure I understand the question fully the north south Road it's it's it's a simple road I don't get it the there's no Road Connection in the new development to going up north south I think he's talking going have a different question it has to do be with a multiuse are you I'm on my iPad here to connect to Leonard internal internal internal so he wants you to connect to Leonard I think that's what he's is that cut are you talking are you talking cutting into thisa is w a dirt road portions it's constructed in some Southern segments and then this area it is a dirt road I we've we've had folks from work in here Village Green was uh was one of those my favor yes ma'am my favorite so right here not on this project on on another project so right here yeah yeah there's no connection going that way and I'm saying it may be 50 years before it ever connects but eventually it should have a

connection potential to open up there the development I just saw in Hudson we just had approved it goes into edge of a neighborhood kind of like this here that may may may never connect but they teed it out of the end put markers at the end they didn't put the fence there which we should put the fence there but you see you see where that there could be a connection go to your left right see that there that could continue on one day why not just have it straight well that's a major road there that's curly that's a really wide Road cutting through the neighborhood yeah you can't have that put up up the I mean they've realigned curly con I think it could connect but not with the Maj it gets more complicated because of the realignment of Prospect and curly so Williams going to put up the other graphic that shows you the change in condition but I but I I I I see what you're saying I just I but the hierarchy of Roads is wrong for that to happen right there okay maybe this is a little more helpful this is our RightWay um exhibit where the the existing and yellow is being uh moved now into the future the yellow is current Prospect correct Joel identify yourself I'm sorry Jo Joel 2 4700 rid viw Road Palm Harbor Florida I have been sworn for the applicant just for clarification the the yellow highlighted part is current existing Prospect Road where it curves and goes north just to give you a little better of the existing condition from what and the master roadway plan has always contemplated this change it's always contemplated reconnecting Prospect to curly at marada so we're we're simply implementing what the master roadway PL complicated uh contemplated I get your point the question is in the after condition and that's all I'm suggesting is look at this in the after condition I think the concern is those folks along W Road they do not want to be integrated and connected to the new project they they like their separate lifestyle and it's not just one or two they're all along there so again I think if you're going to require a connection from our project up to work uh I suggest that we be cautious I I I think you should connect have a future up to Leonard and then one day that gets add I meant to Leonard but see those people they live on Leonard and they access don't connect it now just say keep the ability to connect it they come in so the question is for Mike and Seth is do we have since we're okay we're not developing anything south of prospect to be able to rebuild the road provide the flood plane the drainage we also have to provide for all that right away for curly so since we're pushing all the density North and doing all rear loaded product my question for the developer is do they have a spot along the rear loaded that they could provide the same type of RightWay if you will the same solution you had on the prior matter but without constructing because we do not want to be the ones to construct a connection to those people

on Work Work Road for I'm just looking for let me ask if do they let me ask if they lose Bill if they lose a building or a unit in doing that that's the question well I don't see why you would and Jack and I may talking about two different things but the intent is the same back if you put up concept the concept plan go back to the binding plan and you look you look to the the um left left most units right that ends well it would be between and you tell you tell me what is what is the the nor your Western most North South Drive yes that one one day could if that property north of you you see where she's became available could you not extend your development into there and yeah right no right on that right there it it it could one day day maybe continue on into that land there yeah we can provide I think the answer is yes yes and they would they would alignment they would align it wherever our Western most North South Drive goes if you're okay with us picking that spot wherever that falls and just doing the RightWay provision that would be fine right at least as long as it's not connected now because that'll cause a lot of blow blowback they're on a little Island right there which is dumb um I do have a question on multi-use Trails when I look at the map on marada they're just you I don't understand their plan I'm still working on that but it looks like there's a multiuse path around the traffic circle but then it goes into a sidewalk and um and so would who's building that who's building the new alignment we are you're following the the prescribed design that has a multiuse path on one side this right this this realignment actually was already approved in the funding and development agreement which you approved U this MPD was pending at the time but we contemplated this so yes Galvin is actually building this whole new road segment exchanging right away and all of that's already covered by the development agreement that that you approved just a few months ago uh to exchange right away and we build it and the design any questions you have about the double roundabout the design you need to discuss with the County engineer because we're doing what the County engineer has uh directed on in that regard yeah okay question from commissioner Madam chairman if I don't want to cut the commissioner off but but they've started sort of started a presentation I don't know if they have a presentation that they want to do or they just want to answer questions we just want to answer their questions okay thank you good enough okay so questions about the road probably less to to you guys but to our our our County so this is a main path to the Northeast transfer station you have welome floor trucks coming and transferring trash and trucks

getting to and from Northeast transfer station where's that uh off hand cart and Prospect is heavily traveled so this double roundabout which forgive my ignorance I'm not even sure how the heck you even drive this thing based on this picture is this efficient enough to handle just that level of commercial traffic to to get to and from I mean you're talking tractor trailers they got to figure out how to get 252 from there unless you know I don't know know the timing of the of the hand card extension to the new 52 but you're talking County Logistics and and essential Services keep going depending on the timing of what these two roadways when they're built and then the in the path that they're going to go I guess that's more commissioner if I may uh I think we will have handcart built before this I think exension to 52 correct we're also obligated I think we will have the new handc cart North to um Clinton constructed prior to this so you could come straight out of that transfer station at Tindle and hcard and go straight construction it's already under construction and and will be completed all the way to Clinton okay all right good that answer that right okay thank you so again just to kind of close the loop this whole infrastructure including this segment was part of that $80 million commitment that Galvin has already made under that Master development agreement and this is essentially an infield project and how we got where we are is the Benedictine sisters would were not inclined to just sell the right away to the county they wanted to sell the entire parcel and the way Galvin solved that for the county was Galvin stepped up and bought the entire parcel and then decided they would make do as best they could with providing the RightWay and then just developing the part they could develop so you know for only not very many units it's a huge financial undertaking to solve this road problem so that that's how we got there on this particular project and as we said all of those units are 100% rear loaded uh which of course is above and beyond meeting design desires and this will be one thing about this is assuming you can negotiate the double roundabout I can't figure it out I have I've been around one in Scotland and I think maybe one in Ireland um but the the beauty of this if you think about it is this entry coming in off Curly marada it's going to be really a dramatic entry in because this is the the northwest corner of vop and so you're going to have all of this green space to the South when you come around and make that entry and then the only thing you're going to have to the left are these rear loaded products that all have front of house you know without driveway and without garages so it's going to be visually it should be a very attractive window into vop with a lot of green space on the south and rear loaded products so you're not looking at

driveways and garage doors the minute you come into vop so I think it's a good solution for that property 74% of this property will be open space almost 3/4 of it so it it's it's a substantial uh deal so if there are any other questions on this one we're happy to answer them uh the next one's also an infill project that relates to the ability to build hand cart but we can talk about that in a moment um okay this is a a public hearing is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this item all right well I just and just hoping this developer would buy more and more land so I'm glad to see him coming in because I think he's doing what we envisioned that this neighborhood would be so um okay and no one's online no more public comment all right let's I'll take a motion so move second all in favor I Ed your right away okay P you need to add your right away condition um I tell you what I'm I'm going to be comfortable with you guys figuring it out to let it go cuz because as commission say something's going to come up there or you guys can figure out where you want to put it and make it work I mean yeah okay I've lost my next page um we're on p46 before we get there again the record that we received sta 45 and 46wh around here's 46 I'll do it as it relates to p46 we have proof publication the Day times January I'm sorry we approved the publication Tampa B times January 1st 2025 supplemented by appid certified mailings and site postings the item was continued from the February 11th 20125 meeting to today good afternoon William rilan Planning Development economic growth PD 27842 zoning Amendment colog Bop G Land Services restart okay William rilion Planning Development economic growth pde 27842 is zoning amendment in the name of cologne vopm PD Galvin Land Services this request is from AC agricultural to MPD master plan unit development The Proposal is to allow for the maximum development of 117 single family dwelling units on roughly 60 Acres this is out the southwest corner of William Cemetery Road bason Lane here's the location map within the Villages of Pasadena Hills in village C right on the uh southern boundary of William Cemetery Road which connects to sr52 Clinton here is the location map showing the current Homestead on the property William Cemetery Road and you can see a little sliver of macabe Road there here's the village sea master plan highlighting that this is a portion of the neighborhood Edge the lowest density of vop this is the master plan again showing the village Edge two dwelling units an acre the master plan also shows

that out of these 117 units of them will be used for estate Lots on a minimum half acre you see those in that upper left hand corner where the existing Homestead is the current property owner wants to to keep that piece for him and his family they'll be accessing William Cemetery Road the other 111 units will be 50 ft or greater here is the binding and pewd plan showing the layout proposed by the applicant that North access to William Cemetery Road in the conditions of approval at first that will be an emergency access until which time Williams Cemetery Road is updated to County standards which would be by the neighboring Mudd and once that happens this access would turn into a full access so the the citizens wouldn't have to go south to connect up they would just use updated William Cemetery Road to connect to macab but for the time being the estate Lots will continue to use that that dirt road that is substandard currently one variation from 91611 this is to not provide the interconnect all the way to the South there is a large Wetland there however the citizens will be able to get South with that Western connection it will go through uh the existing Harvest Commons impy to handcart Road where you can then go north and south this comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from Planning Development economic growth as well as the Villages of passing Hills planning policy committee I'm here if you have any questions I have no questions ises anybody else Ms this a public hearing uh does anyone wish to speak to this okay seeing no one I'll take a motion Mo approval all in favor I okay thank you thank you yep all right uh we are to commissioner items and board reports does anyone know where this picture is from AI a where AI oh did you say the same Thee I was in something like that in Brazil where where the um near the Amazon where the bamboo was growing like that it's crazy and it makes quite the sound when the wind's blowing knocking okay um I'm going to start with commissioner Oakley um I actually have something to bring the board is um go to wait and I'll bring it back it's not in my paperwork all right se you go and then we'll come back open um we'll start we'll start with some good stuff here so um going to give a shout out to John Tillman and his company certified Services I've talked about them um every year during the Great American cleanup and keep Pasco beautiful they cleaned up about 1,700 lbs of trash up and down Old Pasco Road

along 50 along wesle Chapel Boulevard and uh cleaned up a homeless camp and so wow they're always up to to doing good in the qu Hollow area and uh very proud of John and and his team for taking time out their work day and and cleaning up and our our County so thank you to John and certified Services they are there next and Genie Jermaine's here and Jean come on up so we are uh a board one of our board appointment updates on the human human trafficking um had a nice discussion our last meeting and we're top working on uh our campaign coming into the campaign for this year you we're looking at using the $10,000 allocated to the human trafficking board to embark on a uh sexting and sex trafficking or sextortion campaign through the social media that's done and um so we're talking with uh tax collector's office Mike vano and Tim kit their office is fully 100% uh trained through the Attorney General's office and in human trafficking and we'll be working with them uh and putting different pieces of information into their business tax receipt Flyers that they send out to all the businesses every year in the county and taking advantage of all the mailings that they do so I want to thank thank them uh for their partnership and future help with that and then in the same week we went and uh over Generations church and Trinity um celebrated the groundbreaking on bridging Freedom which I'll let Jeanie as the representative here from rotary uh tell the the story there but it's all started with rotary and trying to capture funds to expand uh a housing campus uh for abused and traffic is one Dr gills donated traffic traffic girls but anyway so I'll let m Germaine's hit the start the story the show and tell the story and all the rotary clubs out were involved it's just a beautiful beautiful Community effort here yeah so we're going to go back um 2020 when I was District Governor of District 6950 which is four counties it's uh Citrus County Hernando Pasco and pelis and I had my conference down in Naples of course it was coming out of Co and everybody wanted to get together so we went to Naples and um Alan wilcat came as my speaker and he said are you really sure you want to do this and I'm like yeah I I think this is a subject that the public needs to hear and um he brought a panel with him that included a Survivor we had L Linda Hamilton there who was a director of bridging freedom and several others on the panel um it was gut-sick and then to actually hear a Survivor speak and the other ones go along with it but it raised the awareness that we wanted to be involved and so Wesley Chapel rotary took the lead and there's not a rotary club in the district that did not participate in some way financially and they raised uh $435,000 and with that and the partnering of a lender um they were able to do the groundbreaking on the what was it a week week ago Friday that we were there the 28th and um for two homes and so we're pretty excited about it and

anything that the county will do to get the word out I mean it it scares the Daylights out of me to think that my grandchild could be picked up somewhere along the line and and trafficked and it can happen to any of us for us that think that it can't happen it will and I think you have blinders on if you don't think it's happening around here because it is and Florida is the number one Target and in the entire world Florida is number one and it's it's scary to think that it's in our backyard and I think that the people need to wake up and get involved and try to stop it somehow protect our children so thank you for letting me speak and if you notice the shovels each shovel was painted by one of the by one of the girls one of the kids that are there the kids that were escaped and each children the children yeah these are children that are already housed at bridging Freedom that took the the time to paint each one of those shovels and each one of them had a message and it is emotional when you look at it and you you see their message on there it's it it's they're pouring their heart out and painting um you know Allan if you've ever heard him speak he he brings you to tears because it's a reality for him and to to hear him speak every single time it's a different story and a different child and it's how how can this continue and can we stop it so anything that the commission can do I I am greatly appreciative of so thank you yeah so this is with Laura Hamilton yeah right um I've actually reached outour as well and I've sent mik some information on it trying to do something through the CB cbgd at least for the lodging Parts it may be an opportunity we try to work on it sounds good that would be awesome thank you I appreciate that commissioner and remember we have a group of the these women who come to amskills every Thursday and are learning a trade and making things and Recovery awesome awesome the work they're doing out there but this you know just shows the work that the collaborative effort that the rotaries and this District get together and they come up with an idea and the collaboration and here we are a couple years down the road where people thought it was impossible and no we were told it was going to be impossible impossible listen to tell us it's impossible we're going to show you not here here they are so you know wonderful work um a great day to celebrate helping people in a bad spot so you're doing this at Generations because the the residence is anonymous correct exactly for their safety security yes exactly exactly I'd just like to mention that due to the nature of the things the clerk's office deals with um we too have participated in the Attorney General's training programs that were 100 % except for new people that were exactly so to be aware of because we see things coming in for I'm sure yeah marriage licenses or passports that don't necessarily look right are we a 100% organization almost right the uh the awareness train that's uh I think I

mandated the end of next month to have that completed we're at about half the organization at least okay okay thank you very much thank you I appreciate you and um couple more things so we had so we also had our Springs Coast meeting um the the uh five projects with a handful of projects were sent to the governing board of district and they were approved so it's just rolling through that process and I don't know uh outside of committee meetings um David go do we want to talk about the live the the new live local Bill update or is now not should we should we wait I I I bring this up because it's it makes it worse it HS I need to bring too and latest on that I I made a promise to if there was any movement on this topic that we would swiftly bring it bring it to the board and discuss it because we were Tipp of the spear last year and I figure Ralph did make me aware of a bill that's pending that does make live local worse um I don't remember the bill number Ralph yeah uh there are two bills uh 943 C 943 and 1730 1730 is probably the more egregious one although 943 is almost as bad but notably it basically not only preempts everything live local preempted but it also preempts live local related moratoriums which we've talked about in the past I know commissioner Mariano has brought those up and that bill would preempt moratoriums it also arguably preempts our ability to do deed restrictions um to attack live local oh and potentially makes us subject to attorney fees if we litigate live local so basically everything that we've talked about doing to fight live local and have done to fight live local this bill attempts to preempt so yes it does make live local substantially worse whose bill was it it's the same sponsor who sponsored live local the legislator from South Florida she's no K kala cud I don't know how you say your last no no there you go thank you what is it but is she Senator she's the senator she's a senator but the house last time was Vicky it's Vick lope I'm surprised weren't that weren't those the two that ran the original live local Bill local and they're also the ones that ran the local Amendment last year now technically Senate Bill 1730 does not have a companion bill in the house yet but I think it's just a matter of time before they reconcile these two Bill they're two years in a row being successful in getting their little local language is pass so why wouldn't they do it a third time they've essentially taken our Playbook to Def ourselves and our job creating sites that produce an economy and are using it against us that's what that's what the legislation I think that's accurate and you know it does beg the question should we even continue to approve new Industrial and Commercial and mixed use zonings if we can't even protect them with deed restrictions and the things that we've been doing

so you know mam I everything I've tried to do to fight live local this bill attacks unless they come in with the buyer you know and they not speculative industrial obviously I mean that now by the way the other thing this does it makes it clear it applies to mudds which the prior legislation it was not clear it even applied to muds now this clarifies that it applies to MPS as well mam chair yeah so it's clear the apartment industry has got a hold of the Senate and legislator now one of the things when we hired the third lobbyist this year was that we had a good TR connection with the governor I think we going need to have those we Mee scheduled up yeah no my understanding is these bills do need to go to the rules committee is that accurate the rules yes but is isn't the Senate President in charge of rules yes although we do have three members of our delegation on rules as well we got all Britain now no no that's the Senate President he's correct that the the chair of the rules committee is pido Ral can can we and by the way and the other committee this goes to I believe is committee Affairs which posa's also on that committee as well Governor can we meet before Monday before I go up there maybe I can talk to um I think we're all going up who's going up we're going up on Tuesday good time for a discussion on that right now so so next week currently we only have three going up this is this was a different event uh fa is meeting on Wednesday of next week Tuesday is the uh greater Pasco Chamber along with representative jerger have put together a passco day I reached out to representative jer's office today to see if he has put together a timeline what they will be doing is having um I think one big group meeting in the chamber am I correct commissioner uh where they'll have speakers coming in uh to meet with them I think they did that last time yes and then they will probably they may have uh office uh visits where they're going to again this is a busload of people that have signed up to go up with a chamber so usually they don't give them office visits they do it in the chamber it isn't this fact legislative day and then it's fac day on Wednesday so that's why two of you existing are going up we have two Commissioners going up you and commissioner Mariano and then commissioner Jagger is going up because uh Vier is doing this event with the greater Pasco Chamber are you staying through Wednesday so can we get some appointments please do we we can do that yes I mean not yes we will be doing that so so just so you know on the bills that were brought up so faac reached out to the counties and asked for feedback on three of the growth management bills I gave that to them today they reached out to us on Monday uh I also supplied the uh responses that we gave to fac uh to our legislative team or our lobby

team so they are aware of it so that's where we are as of right now is that we've I've started the discussion started them you know to say here's where we're at how do we engage going forward should we be more vocal here at the local level seeking their input on that and we'll have that hammered out before the end of the week okay well this will be a good time while it's still very early in the session to so get our voices I'll say the same thing I said to Ralph which is we sort of found a way to live live with live local sorry that sounded bad but the current form of live local we can probably we found a way to manage it because of our DED restrictions and everything we do if this passes it's going to be almost impossible right so I I think that's a warning shot that we won't do Industrial and Commercial conversions and so we need the I don't know I don't know what zonings you still could approve of this passes if you if you're trying to avoid live local well we just build more Parks anyway David thank you iair okay U commissioner oakle U I have a an appointment for the Emergency Medical Services Advisory Board uh the person that I had on that board at the time has resigned and I would like to recommend Dr Christian ssky from Bay St Joseph's hospitals is that's a motion replacement that's a motion approve no I need a second second okay all in favor I hi okay I all right thank you is that all you got and that's everything okay and you're not coming to Tallahasse next week what you don't don't want to join us in Tallahasse next week what day I'm going I'm going Ralph whenever Ralph does well Ralph's going to tell us so maybe you are going in you don't [Laughter] know okay all right um so now we're on commissioner Jer okay well first on um the transportation disadvantage local Coordinating Board we had membership changes add some folks and Alternate as well as remove some updates were presented our go Pasco Transit development plan board members made recommendations to include more messaging and Outreach and go Pasco presented updates on recent Outreach events that were done in the community so here we are on to the elfer senior center I think um this Katherine brought this one up last time um where the ribbon cutting and the gentleman that cut the ribbon also attended the school yeah all right next slide okay this is um I think you yeah yep Bay care yep Bay care you were there again and uh this is the first Behavior Health um urgent care in the state so we're very excited very proud about this one yeah really excited hopefully there'll be many more to come next um our um February we did random acts of love and these were just some Foster families and we did um Pasco hope we also went there and visited

them next slide oh and this this was um this was a charity event and um oh boy between Seth and Jack um that was interesting I came in third place and um I don't cook so I Really Deserve last place but I think you came in last place didn't you yeah and they gave me a medal I gave you back he would take it he wouldn't take it all right next slide up and that was just opening session um went to Tallahassee and um the ladies had a ladies lunch at the governor's mansion with Casey DeSantis and we just discussed um hope for Florida and just expanding that initiative so I'm looking forward to getting plugged into that and that is all you have any other VIP lunches coming up here [Laughter] Tony's got a few pictures for me we'll see how the lineup goes which one you want to start uh just we'll just go you can try to keep the colony col keep the Colony Road ones till last okay we get to the fluff stuff first what up in DC that was a five for five lunch lunching or dinner dinner if anybody wants a metal there's one probably at the table did you like my toast I work hard on that toast so there's a living Shoreline project I've heard staff talk about it many times but at the uh restore Council they had a presentation done um I met with Mary Walker who's head of the council which is PL two money and uh this could be something you could see coming forward from us uh Anthony Colleen and and the whole team are actually looking at this project here to see how it's done it protects waves and slows them down from coming in and with all the canal restoration I think it's going to be very economical for us to do it and we can use combined money to actually cut the cost down go next slide uh that was the Bay care event and this was the nce conference which I talked to Mike carbella and I talked to Nick uran about joining nce National Association of County Engineers uh Margaret used to go to it and I know when Nick first started just didn't quite have the time but I think it's a organ organization that is worth him looking at and he's going to talk to Mike about it as well uh that was in front of the US Department of Transportation so Mike JJ myself and that's Randy Shane from APS yeah that was C you guys I want I want to tell you the difference in going to to DC from years ago just phenomenally different um other than when Trump got elected we went up for the Ridge Road Project and how we get received in a positive way there the dot was phenomenal and they had uh some good young folks that were listening to us was a day before the federal group where they all get together in a room we kind of go table to table and they were so receptive everything we were talking about our main focus was that US 41 54 Corridor overpass they were they were great all the way through and then when I talked about the spray jet Paving

which cost very little more money but you get a much better Bond because it's a better polymer better process they're actually going to work with fdot to go study the spec and maybe bringing it Forward they were all about trying to do efficiency and they asked a really good question though the one girl from uh that was I think inter government fars she says what's the return of investment so I've got them studyed to get that number to get back to them to get to the numbers so it was a really like I said super receptive up there and our Congressman Laura Lee was up there with our firefighters as well uh she was very helpful she was in the middle middle of a committee came out and we actually met with her team the next day and that's all the Florida Representatives that were up there next picture is a little bit funnier next shot uh and there we have with Congressman Bill aracas and I'll tell you one of the things I was up there we were talking about was the steps to recovery program for the veterans going from 32 to 64 they've been so afraid about getting the extension when secretary Collins from the VA was presenting in front of the whole uh Na County Commissioners he made a comment he says look we're cutting we're cutting we're cutting we don't have any extra money to throw out there but if there's any help you need in process to help the veterans let us know so we introduced it to a lady that was there in the audience uh JJ was phenomenal Sprint it to the back got her card I got to talk to her the next day from the midst of talking to a congress from bacas to talking to um the steps of recovery team they had a special board meeting approved to look for an ex ask ask for the extension to kind of like look for 64 beds to go make that step if they get the VA extension Congressman B rockus is still I think getting ready to meet I haven't got the word back yet but he's going to meet with secretary Collin he thinks he's going to get it done they'll have the extension so we're going to go from 32 beds instead we'll be able to go to 62 beds using cdbg drr money that all qualifies through so it could be a great day for our vets and again it was it was just great being up there making watching things happen up there was crazy next one in FEMA FEMA was unbelievable yeah talking to I mean M Mike was on the line um JJ was there and the two firefighters uh with with with us and it was such a great conversation uh Aubrey right there was the one who facilitated all everybody in the room and literally we talked about the pickup how it went for the trash how I said when you H hire the top guy from the bid the way you put it out there that top guy goes up out there he finds an intermediary then they hire the people actually do the work and they make next them nothing that's just the way we had it set up after um Helen came in and Milton was coming what you let us go do is hire direct we got much better work tremendous pickup and the money stayed

right in the economy they're going to go work with us to get a baseline to fure out how much trash we get because I told them I says what you make us do is you make us pick it up by volume then it's got to go to a spot they got to crush it down then it goes to another spot to another spot I says all that touch I says we're a county that's got a burn plan if you knew what how much trash we took in and had a baseline of that so let's say the months before two months before become a pre-close give us that Baseline number and whatever trash I bring in by weight from there if I decide to burn it move it store it you know with Metals Recycling then let me go separate it all out and not have to do it the way you're doing it I said we could probably do it cheaper get it better and get it done quicker so they were agreeable to that um another conversation was has about as far as mitigation goes I said you know I've got all these mobile home trailers that if they were just up about 4T higher probably had like next nothing for damage if I had homes that were just up 4 feet higher in certain areas along the coast they would be higher they they'd be safer you might have you might have cut down 95 99% of your damage if everything was just 5 foot higher instead of going up to the full BF and over and above let me do a compromise because you would have saved Millions maybe billions of dollars up and down the area I said so let's if you would let's go take a look at doing that I know it goes against what you want but if it's a middle position that makes people safer they can stay in their home and you can spend a whole lot less money let's go take a look at it they're willing to go take a look at it so good literally the attitude in DC right now is phenomenal they want to look the cut but they want to do efficiency things they don't want to just keep doing things the way they've been doing it for year after year so that was like a great set of meetings we we're going to do some follow-ups with them about uh the different things we talked about next page I got a few sets so Sun West Park you guys got to go see this at some point so this is around the second Lake look how wide that is they were able to raise it up just with the dirt that was there level it all down raise it up so it's nice and high so it' be safe protected it's not going to be able to put a trailer around just go ahead and go to the next couple of pitures there's like another section around the corner there's my wife Michelle was that the west side or South side that was on the uh the north side would be the the north side is that would be the that would be the West Side there okay yeah that's on the west side out that's looking for the west side back over the lake there's the side running to the south on the uh uh South Side next picture now this this is on the back of the big lake okay gosh you could have a high school high school um races there yes y so on the back side you can see the white Beach that's where the

other side of Lake is literally when we had the scholar fest last year I could hear the music walking the lake all the way across so now we're set up to open up on April 12th we do a ribbon cutting for this this is getting paved this week and this is good enough for a 5K run around it yeah exactly is actually set up a take 10k run as well took around the whole lake and around so what we're going to be able to do out there I'm looking at every you want to see carbal on that race there you go got a good mic but but I'm looking at all the Charities we have in all the high schools and middle schools Etc that want to do runs fun runs Etc we should be able to do at least two to three let's say let's say every weekend and maybe two to three depending on how you do it during the day you could actually do it and everybody's safe we can get all the stuff from school Coast all the supplies we need and just kind of like create a great environment for our people let them have some fun and I think make it make it even a better place next Pages running is not fun we can you can walk Fun Run fun walk got now there's a barge picking up wol dos and everything around there uh I'll tell you Colleen what is all that that's debris in theal debris in the can people been throwing in I broke away ducks that that slipped away so yep so Colin you want to come up talk about it for a second we heard people were throwing things in that Canal too well I tell we we actually found a trailer wow with a pipe going right into the canal nice Denise is working on it right now with Colleen and trying to track that down but we are so far ahead I watch down when Ian hit and it took them over a year to go into these canals and put get the debris out fish it out and that all breaks down and makes the water quality horrible for our Canal I I have debris stuck under my second boat lift that was floating out we we don't know what someone's dock or something can this guy come get it absolutely they can you just I've been actually collecting addresses I've sent it to all the HOAs asking for maps we've been sending maps to our waist team we didn't know how to get it out Tim treer and Kevin they've done a marvelous job but we're so far ahead just because it took them over a year down to get all this stuff out in in uh in Ian and I'm pushed them to start looking at it immediately so that was just the first one so there's a lot more to come out of the canals Colleen appreciate all your help Colleen Weaver uh oh we had the presidential vesture vesture at Pasco handle State College what an awesome day that was uh great celebration we are very lucky to have Jesse in our uh in ad doing a great job picture of US senator Simpson was there former president beard now interim president of fmu so the shrimp and crab fest for the first time where they had the uh the bands and everything else was now a paved parking lot just I said just walking in there it just looked

completely different such a positive thing and then to all the vendors that were out there just like they were amazed how great the park was this will show you a couple of pictures there one of the bands playing different food trucks that were out there yeah got there that's everybody had a great time the vendors were so thrilled with it and the people had a blast next great yeah that truck's going away don't but there's all the people sitting out there in a nice nice atmosphere all right whose stage was that uh rented stage all right so this is just so you know this is a Foxfire in peach Tree fox actually Colony Road and Foxfire The Colony Road Project I'm just and I'm showing you just a few things around the area just to get a feel what's going on Jeep you know it's got a U-turn a U-turn a U-turn I keep going that was taken by Clint wind now there's a picture remember I told you about a a road was going through when they had a t t-section going through if you look to the left picture between the three trees that are there you see three little pylons right there and then there's like a little dip in the road but they put a connection for it to go to the side of the house which is not far from the street that's why I said the connection we should be be working on we're doing it there clip the corner kind of clip the corner it's it's just even going through it just it sets up for a tea there why it's why a tea right there with the open fence doesn't make sense to me but okay goes into Valley and and people don't know all right next picture so this is this is the sign side of that same street this is a side street that goes out to Colony but you don't have any drainage in here and everything's from above that kind of flows down and the roads are getting washed out now I w't say washed up but they're getting water when they have the floor but we had this development come in no sidewalk beside it on a road road going all the way down how was that I I don't know haven't asked the question yet but we're throwing it out there now good in the next picture so there's a picture of the same fence with the with the Gap go ahead there's a picture of the te kind of how it just opened up but I kind of think those fence it's someone's backyard that we should be blocking that off this this is out on Colony Road so here's the end of it what the roadway and the drainage is right there right I mean what are we doing who did that I don't know and that is what the go to the worst part go to but I see Metro's uh Sun Sun Metro's lights were there yeah so here's right beside where that was now there's a sidewalk going out to the street on Colony but nothing going up and down in Colony and then if you look there's no drainage here so I got a I got a cul right there taking all that all that storm water go ahead and take the next

picture next picture so this is a Culver and look on both sides I got a C it all that water is supposed to go where right where's it got to go there's nowhere for it to go and it takes all that from up there so you had all that opportunity to go through to put drainage in but we didn't put it in place nor sidewalk running all the way down yeah can we have someone look at this Mr carbal so go ahead next piure this is on 52 Now 52 we just improved the road we're making this a vision Road when we were repaving that and knowing this was a fishion road if it was done at time I don't know yet but that would have been a time for a turn line know you think if I'm going to get that road going all the way up it didn't happen but there's all that land that's there go to the next picture that's it okay well anyway so if you look at all that land right there you got an opportunity for something to happen is that so anyway what intersection is that that's a Colony Road and 52 okay there's like a dunk of don't just there next to a do by the staff great job making Duncan connect the roadway connecting in with doler General did a great job there but again if we're going to be looking at the long-term plan we just got to like really focus on this stuff and I really think staff needs to before this uh hearing comes up for cyle again to go out there and go look at this whole area the palmwoods neighborhood to the north nice shot all the way out all the way down that connects in there's no reason we shouldn't have the same thing coming up here but we'll get to that hearing later on but I just I just think it's support for everyone to see this stuff here I was with the residents yesterday so that's all I have okay right Mr carbal thank you I just wanted to Echo what commissioner marani had said about the Washington DC trip I felt that uh you know we did a good job of establishing relationships again with our federal delegation reinforcing those but as well as a lot of these agencies and folks within within the agency so the next steps would be to follow up with those folks and and again to continue to uh improve our approach to Federal relations between the county and federal government so other than that no thank you thank you for coming up there it's great um one of you two I don't have anything thank you I'll yield to the clerk yes uh Nikki uh clerk Alvarez Sol had just a couple items we like to bring forward um recently we had passport Saturday and uh 86 passport ports in one day um the volume of passports that our office there's two good things that the clerk's office the fun things that the clerk's office gets to do and that's passports and marriage licenses there the um most of the reason our other people come on any given day is not a good thing uh so passports so we wanted to thank facilities and the county for coordinating what is to make that happen on uh the Saturday the 1st

of uh March um and we also wanted to mention out there that on the other side of the coin operation Greenlight so we want to get the word out that operation Greenlight is continuing through Friday March the 21st for those who not familiar with it that means you don't have a suspended license or an outstanding ticket but that uh that there are substantial fees that are being waved during this time period to enable people to get their licenses back in uh in uh good condition and by waving some of those fees so if you know someone now's the time to take advantage of operation Greenlight and uh be able to save money and get back on good graces with your driver's license thank you that's it okay um well go to my pictures I think the first one's Bay care and yeah we're the the first uh first ones in the state if not the country to do this so very very proud of this one um uh actually you know when we had our Tri County um meeting with the Commissioners from the other uh with Hillsboro and pelis if you remember we we had asked for updates on what they were doing with the opio money and both of those counties came up and said what they were thinking about doing and then our staff came up and said we're doing this Paula we're doing this we're doing this and we're doing this and I'll tell you what you know I had dinner with commissioner Peters and commissioner Shear in Washington from pelis and they were very impressed and commissioner Peters who does a lot with with Behavioral Health is coming up to uh take a look at our our program and actually I think we should be submitting it for a n award yes and um I want to hook you hook you guys up with the that committee at no to be part of a conference call and maybe even present but commiss starky yeah in the the way they did that building was so phenomenal I didn't get to go in it cuz I had another meeting I had to zip out so I'm telling you the way the way they designed that building was very efficient but the textures everything was just so well set up I mean it was I knew it was going to be good but it was absolutely phenomenal how great it was I I'm looking forward to my Tour all right um yes the no legislative conference um there there we are at dinner with the uh the Commissioners from pelis and JJ um and uh we just had a a wonderful conference um and time on the hill I think that our legislative delegation we met with Senator Scott and bakus and then um you met with Lee but we met with her staff um very receptive to uh I think some of the things that were asking for especially the EOC money and um um I'm trying to remember who that is speaking up there Oh Canada that was the Canadian embassy the board of directors had an event there and um I think it was the board of directors yeah and um you know they're not happy about the Tariff so I I left right after that to join you guys with our lobbyist for dinner um but I'm I'm sorry for those who got sick in Washington because there was a lot of

flu going around uh what's next what else do we have uh oh we went and went to tour station 17 you drive by the by buy this all the time and um this is the one that stopped the the the contractor went out of business and the bond the bond company had to find a new a new company so it's finally open it is um it is something I wish I had a kitchen like that that's all I can say uh it's and they they say that the people drive by honk the horn cuz they're so excited that it's finally open so so that was a fun day um what else do we have I went to the cultural Affairs advisory committee meeting yesterday I think it was yesterday at starky Cultural Center great group of folks and um they have some really big ideas and I look forward to them one day coming and talking in front of us um but uh on Tuesday commissioner no Mike carbal and I and whoever else is going we're going to tour the new the museum that's at wend Ken um supposed to be fantastic so and then we're going up to Tallahasse so if anyone wants to come tour Wendel kren 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday uh you know half of that school was was Ridgewood and um it's now Wendel Ken technical school in half and the other half the school district has lent it 5,000 ft to this gentleman who has an amazing archaeological collection of which most of it is in storage so I think we're going to I've I've heard it's amazing so I'm looking forward to that um okay driving up here I I was on the Sun Coast and I was buying a Coastal Truck I I'll talk about that in a second a Coastal Truck and garbage was just coming out of the back I don't know who Coastal is is that one of our trucks Coastal is one of the new vendors in okay I mean every 10 seconds a bag was coming out it was really frustrating and I honked at him when I drove past him but I'm sure he didn't know why I was honking at him um but you know I couldn't let it go by without doing something didn't flip the finger at him but he wouldn't have known what that was for either okay um I was wondering if we uh received the septic to sewer grant for Riverside Village because I heard we would get our answer representative Jer was working on it I Was Heard we'd get our answer by the time the session started so this is this was the FG uh request no one knows I have not heard but we'll reach out okay I think she's texting Brad so I am to so commission chair to that point um FD at Springs Coast did a presentation on nitrates and how other other water steer Springs committees throughout the state manage their their programs and I asked the question well what's who has the model as far as nitrogen and septic sewer and all all the proactive steps that we take and uh the uh DP agency head over over it said the Springs Coast our Springs Coast steering committee in this area that collectively the the cities and the counties that are involved in this in this spring shed management plans and

the baps that that we're number one and that they use us as the model so points like what commissioner jger is working on and representative Jer is working on as far as trying to septic sewer conversions and we're seemingly our region is leading the state we haven't done one in our County so it's not us our County buty but it's a region effort everybody's voting to it yeah so um I thought that was pretty cool yeah that is so while you're might be frustrated we're not getting them here our region it's just a matter of time because our region is is leading the way on those effort I I look forward to our first septic toour compersion um okay uh I sent this to Sean I don't know where I got this but House Bill 481 um and is Keith still here no so if you've been to out anot River Park um I'm sure many of you have been and you see um let let me send you this picture I'm going to send this to Tony um okay let let me do this one before I go to that commissioner um I was on call just looking over here on Colony I see a picture from Google Earth of of um cars on the road this is th we we can't have we need code enforcement up in their District the these are just wrecked up cars along the side of the road in um on on Colony so it's just not a good environment for people to live in all right four uh 481 has to someone sponsored it has to do with moing balls and if you've Tony if you got that picture still don't have okay I might have sent it to the wrong Tony um but if you've been to if you've been to ano River where the boat ramps are there's all these moing balls there by by the gulf by the uh Power Station and they are there 365 days a year and they're they're using what should be traveling moing balls as their own moing ball uh place and he told me had told me there was nothing we could do about it and I want to 100% support this house bill 481 which are you coming up on the language I don't know if you have this up in Hudson with moing B you guys know what a moing ball is it's one of those balls that's permanently there in the water and when you're visiting somewhere you tie up to it these guys have hogged them all there at Tarpon they just live there we have a does is restrict local regulations of vessels outside of Mark boundaries and moing Fields in certain counties and areas of critical State concern this only deals with Miami da and the um bis Gade Bay so how can we get included because it's not fair that those boats are tying those up and then when other boter are coming to the area they cannot tie up and swim swim to land and you would have to get the person who's running the bill to amend it and yeah it so basically it says regulations all right so then we go down further um critical concern designate specified uh sections at viscan Bay and Miami day County as grandfathered in anchoring limitation areas increases prohibited anchoring and moing distances of vessels

floating structures near public moing Fields so i' have to go in and and look and then uh I I'll see if there's a right now there is not a there is a senate sponsor 6 uh 866 and if there's something that you want us to try to address we can go talk to this well what do you think these are public moing balls and these people get on them and they're on there forever who installed them I don't know I mean were they is it I need to answer that one no they're in our County they're in they're in P they're in our County they're in the out they're right off the docks of ano River Park I'll send this picture to you Mike and then um yeah and then someone said cool thanks whatever Tony that was that I sent that to and then I'll get with a county attorney and we'll discuss this a little bit further yeah okay I'm GNA step away then I got I got another bill I've got a in so I got to go on a conference call right now okay but I I just okay I send it to you maybe you can send it to that Tony cuz I only have that Tony in by first name too I have too many Tony um I'd like to I'd like to I'd like it there to be a rule that you can't stay there for more than two or three days I mean you can't you can't permanently hog a public moing Ball B so something doesn't seem sound right about not being able to do anything if they were installed by us um and they're and they are public um that's granted it's been 20 years since I've done this research but that's why you create a moing field is so that you can control okay how people are anchoring in your jurisdiction so can anyone just drop a moing ball anywhere they want and have their own private little Marina well I mean because that's kind of what's going on over there they have their own private Marina well you have to you'd have to have them permitted by D um to to install them if it's if it is in fact a moing field I think we need to look at it did you get the picture Mike sometimes they all right and while he's loading that up the last thing I did was um I tour um angelene with David Engle and um you know I was really concerned about their trails granted they're not built yet but I have better hopes that um we're going to have some some some good trails in there I'm going to try and help them to make it even better um but if you haven't uh visited their little farm it's absolutely Charming Charming so um did you get it Sor well that's yeah well you waiting on the can I bring up something that I forgot yeah is this what this is yes okay everyone got one of these so while up in DC I was talking with group this group here Markman and guide house and there's others out there as well they do Consulting for it I was looking at Sarasota how they started out with one it worked out pretty well for they're doing more of this stuff of their own uh one of the things they met with HUD and actually they were trying to get the

exemption for us to be able to use cdbg money for our Emergency Center and that conversation is going on they're actually pushing it as well uh I think they might be able help us with like Magnolia Valley they might be help with with sand to drive relocation project for the trailers that are on the water that got flooded out to go Inland a little bit and and make some things happen there so I think one of the things I recommended Mike was just because the tight line the timeline was so quick that maybe you should be looking doing a 30 or 60-day extension letter to them if you haven't done that already but it might be a good thing to give it just a little more time to go I know I know I was pushing hard to try to get us to quick but I think maybe a 30 or 60 day might be a good good idea to go take a look at when the appropr time this year we we've already contemplated an extension so you think that the timeline actually is going to be self corrected with the new Universal notice but if we don't get anything 30 days or so we'll take that okay all right it looks like those boats are sunken and maybe there are some sunken ones I don't know but that is the area that I'm talking about that these um boats are there 365 days a year that's crazy they never move uh and um yeah or if they go they they go out and come back to their ball you know no one no one it's it's like a free Marina and it's so I'd I'd like an investigation into that um Mike I I keep forgetting to ask you about this but um we need the we need to have coding Parcels on the property PR appraisers website so we need to talk to Wells on this yeah you know what I need my staff to explain that a little more but um there's something missing yeah I'll talk to you about this out something to do with real property and they're not coding it okay if that's it then we are journ um [Music]

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