02.25.2025 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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too and uh oh I guess we have a 1:30 time certain don't we all right so we um if everyone's ready we're going to go to our 1:30 time certain but if you did not join us here in the morning please be sure that your phones are on silent and um Mr clerk resolution number 25130 a resolution by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida honoring honoring Fritz Kar for his 100th birthday whereas Fritz Kar [Applause] was can we bring Fritz up yeah oh is he going to read the resolution is he doing the resolution yeah go ahead whereas Fritz Kar was born on February 8th 1925 and enlisted in the Navy at the age of 7 and whereas Fritz attended boot camp in Rhode Island and served on several ships throughout his career Mr Kar participated in the Normandy invasion on June 6th 1944 and finished his Naval career as a ship fitter third class and whereas Fritz went on to marry and raise a family and eventually relocated to Hudson Pasco County Florida where he has continued his favorite sport of fishing and whereas any person going down second aisle and leure Leisure Beach will be drawn to his front lawn which is completely covered with flowers and plants accented with American flags each with its own light as all his friends and neighbors will tell you if you're are lucky enough to catch Fritz out front chances are you will leave with a smile and a flower and wherever whereas we are blessed to have such great citizens such as frit Kar in Pasco County let alone as a neighbor in leiser beach and whereas the board of County commissioners of Pasco County recognizes this monumentous achievement of one of Pasco County Citizens and wishes Fritz for continued good health and happiness in the years to come now therefore be it resolved by the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida that said board hereby honors and congratulates prit Kar on the celebration of his 100th birthday and extends its best wishes to him den and resolved in regular session with the Quorum president voting this 25th day of February 2025 move approval second wait no I can't second it all in favor I I like to sit if that's okay yes okay uh actually let's head him in the chair because I want to I want to do a picture with him sure of course if you would put him in a wheelie chair there perfect my gosh just yeah just have just have him sit there for right now so I we can talk to him first sure here actually Fritz here sorry sir if you want to sit they'll they'll say a few words that way you're more comfortable they want to speak to you I'm going to come down there well Jack you might need to be out a microphone yeah there you go more comfortable other one I better all right so Fritz congratulations on a great day uh we had a great day when we went and celebrated your 100 birthday party with

all your friends we got a few friends here we're going to bring them up on stage just up up to the podium as well to take a picture with you but I want to say just congratulations and you know surviving World War II being a veteran and your brother who's 97 years old couldn't make it today wasn't quite up to it uh Frank is another great guy these guys stay together live together uh they get along great they work together he's a great the great gardeners one does plants like broccoli and cauliflower and Fritz does all the flowers but just a great camarad the neighborhood loves them we got uh Alan Cary we got we got Linda here we got uh Charlie and Janet here we got even John and Michelle from uh get hooked here just all the neighborhood comes together with these guys they're just like they're like a magnet to to a great Community um through the storm we uh spent a little time together doing a bunch of things but uh just celebrating your life and and you're coming out here today is great and thank you for your great friends that are here too uh do you want to say a couple of words I got a mic right there I actually want to thank all of you people for for celebrating my birthday it is uh the first hund is easy the second hund is toughest I love it a very good speaker but uh that's true I thinkk you all thank you well I've been to Normandy and uh I know what I mean I can I saw what some of the films and saw the did the beaches and my gosh um thank you so much for your service I have a son-in-law that's at War college in Washington DC right now and I just just want to thank you so much for your service and and was your brother also in the service he was younger so maybe not he was too he was to well um I'm just so honored that you're here with us today um really up you have the same birthday as my daughter actually and uh just you look fantastic I don't know what's your secret do you have a secret she wants to know what your secret is your secret to I drink the good stuff yes I love it well we're so happy to have you I don't know Commissioners I don't think we should keep our comments long but do you want to say anything um yeah I'm glad to see you reach 100 and I can't wait to see you hit 200 so it be good so I'm about to reach 80 so I I hope um the next 20 is easier than the first 80 so yeah but congratulations on on the service that you put for us uh in World War II and thank you for everything you do for the county and citizens in this County thank it sounds like you're a wonderful neighbor right yeah [Music] yeah your service can't wait for you to be 200 and did you bring in bottles so we could all take a small Fritz if if if the ball the good stuff's your secret then uh hopefully I'll be where you are not for too long

but you know we can't we can't recognize a 100th birthday party or Birthday J without singing happy birthday so frit you got a pile of people behind you and we're about to sing to you ready happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear friend Happy Birthday to you [Applause] well I want to say happy birthday to you Fritz and thank you so much for your service I had a uh grandfather who lived to be 104 and when he was 101 we asked my son we said what are we going to get Grandpa he's 10 101 he has everything he said Dalmations so so I hope you have a blessed birthday all right jack how do you want to do the photos I'm going to go down I'll bring the friends up you guys can stay right sounds good I I would be cautious too many people yeah oh I want a pin like that Jack I'm going to come by your do you want to sit you want to sit for the picture you be okay you want to sit to the picture you do whatever you want hey how are you thank you thank you very much oh absolutely good to see you happy you weren't on the board when we had yearold woman who rides our buses come up to visit us day City rides the buses all day hilarious oh you're fine I'm that's everybody I'm coming in for my group of Reuben yeah love that sandwich thank you I wish you could it's amazing to hear the stories and oh yeah those stories you don't hear very much for sure most soldiers don't tell the stories amazing heard some in the past seems like a great guy Hess what's what this last okay yeah that was very nice all right we will start today with P30 is that right P30 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 5th 2025 edition of the T B Time supplemented by an Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings oh wait what's p29 I'm sorry what was p29 there is no p29 oh I don't know why I oh it's r29 r29 and that's okay Terry thank you madam chairman item P30 is is pde 2552 this is this is nario PTO Planning Development econic Department item P30 is p 2552 it is an ordinance amending the pasel county comprehensive plan providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land map map 2-15 and Sheet 03 from Ro retail office residential to ilil Industrial light on approximately 10 acres of real property located at New York Avenue and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer cability and an effective date this comes to you with a recommendation to approve the proposed C of plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by

roll call vote and there is a presentation if so desired um board members do have people signed up for this uh we only have a applicant rep or yes is the only person signed up at this point U board members do you want to see a presentation this is going to Industrial light on 10 acres located on New York Avenue Madam chair yes but verify Terry live local exemptions on this yes there is thank you is anyone in the audience want to speak he said uh only the applicant is here it just making sure no one here wants to speak on P30 no one signed up for it but of course you can be here or online so no one line either nope move approval second well you can't really do you have a copy of the agenda um are they back there on the table okay what this is doing is taking residential office retail office and residential to light industrial so it's a change in zoning status no it's this is a comprehensive plan Amendment sorry so Madam chairman very familiar with the property it's going to create jobs and opportunities so I'll move approval second all in favor I wait Road call Road call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner wag hi District Four commissioner Jager hi District Five commissioner Mariano I District Five or District three chairman starky I p31 b31 we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the November 27th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay Times item p31 is PD 250062 this is in ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for text amendments to chapter 2 future land use element appendix section flu A6 the official land use map chapter six housing element the glossery and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer severability in an effective date this comes you with recommendation to approve the proposed cover of plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation of so desired this is our Adu ordinance is cor correct okay um but this is we will be having another discussion on this uh in a in a month or two um March when we go into our rules but this is just amending the comp plan to allow for ad use mam chair I move approval you need to call for public com is there any public comment on this item signed up is there anyone online who would like to speak to this no one signed up in advance no one signed up here okay discussion sure I just want to make sure when this does come back as the zoning that we do have a lot of options for the adus um staff's pay me some references to where they're expecting every unit that comes in is going to be smaller than one that's there sometimes it's not going to be as beneficial to the people so I just want to make sure when we look at it we look at all the options that the people want to try to keep let's say bigger growth

from coming in but more more efficient use of the uh space so families can actually live on the larger process together as they want and just make it more flexible yeah and I think they do have size restrictions but we'll we'll go over all of that okay so we have a motion did I get a second I think it's a roll call right it is a roll call still need I think I still need second okay roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner wman hi District Four commissioner jger I District Five commissioner Mariano District three chairman starky I so you have an opportunity to speak at at any public hearing but you have to do that when I call for public comment comment so um you cannot you can stand up and come to the podium when I ask if there's any public comment here Madam chair yes uh can I turn maybe it clearly tell the folks no yelling from the audience how to pre-prepared to come up and speak for the item and that sort of thing the portion of the agenda they're on right now are their ordinances which which are on the agenda as 30 31 32 33 the the if the if there is if there is an item which you wish to speak to you're given three minutes when the chair calls for public comment you should have pre-registered on the list but they'll still take your public comment but you have to come up when comment is called uh at 34 the public will be sworn in those are Quasi judicial hearings those are rezoning amendments so 34 through the end of the agenda uh um into the public hearing agenda will be taken up and those will be most of those will be sworn public hearings uh I will re read the procedures for resoning when we get to that portion of the agenda okay so we are on p322 we have proove of publication originally uh for the uh in the Tampa Bay Times January 15 22nd 29th and February 5th 2025 for the February 11th uh board accounting Commissioners meeting where it was continued to today item p32 is pde 2577 this is an ordinance establishing the KD 52 Community Development District number one pursuant to chapter 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date this comes to you with a recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote okay this is a CDD District right um and uh is there anyone in the audience who wishes to comment on the establishment of the CDD district is there anybody online no no ma'am roll call vote well no I'm sorry I need a motion to approve second roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner Wakeman hi District Four commissioner gger hi

District Five commissioner Mariano hi District three chairman Stark I b33 p33 just moment please man p33 uh again was originally published in the January 15th 22nd 29th and February 5th editions of the Tampa Bay Times um for the February 11th BCC meeting for it was continued to today item p33 is pde 2581 this is an ordinance establishing KD 52 Community Development District number two pursuant to chapter 190 floor of statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for powers and duties of the district providing for the board of supervisor ADV visors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous Provisions providing for an effective date this comes you with the recommendation to adopt the ordinance by roll call vote Mo to approve uh first I have to take public comment um if there's anyone here who wishes to speak on the establishment of the CDD District we have no one signed up online uh the only person signed up in advance I believe is the applicant okay and I see the applicant in the audience all right um Bo members I'll take a motion one of a second second all right uh roll call vote district one commissioner Oakley hi District Two commissioner waitman hi District Four commissioner joer hi District Five commissioner Mariano hi District three chairman Stark I okay uh we are now going to proceed to the public hearings and will the County Attorney please review the procedures for resoning and see you later be happy to Madam chairman there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group repres representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request that a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take

action please limit your comments to those criteria found with within the board's Land Development code Mr clerk would you like to swear the public in at this time anyone who have plans to give testimony to any of the resoning items we'd ask that you please stand again if you plan on testifying or believe that you may testify in any of the rezoning items please stand raise your right hand and if you're online you also participate right yes um do you and each of you swear or affirm that the testimony you will give in these matters is the truth so have you God thank you when you come forward please be sure to give your name and address for the record and also if you would acknowledge that you were previously sworn uh thank you all right thank you very much we are now on p34 which is a continuance go ahead Terry oh do you need to read p34 uh we have H proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the January 8th 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times item p34 is pte 25776 n this is a zoning Amendment in the name of MIRS 4 LLC it's a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district and C3 commercial light manufacturing District to A3 commercial light manufacturing District in Northwest Pasco County essentially at the southeast corner of the inter of the bridge intersection of Sun Coast Parkway in shitty Hills Road it's about 9.1 Acres this is a request to continue the item to the April 22nd 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Newport Rich move to continue time certain um one second was this advertised as a continuing okay so we don't have to take public comment on this no okay all right thank you second um all in favor of the continuous say I I oppose okay P35 P35 we have U an Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings uh on this matter item P35 is PD 27813 this is a zoning amendment in the name of of ancl TH or town homes mpud by lenar holes LLC it's a resoning request from AC Agricultural and AR agricultureal residential zoning District to mpud master plan unit development District to allow for the development of 190 town home dwelling units and Associate infrastructure on approximately 46.035 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Newport okay and this was advertise continuance I'll take a motion move to continue time certain second all in favor I opposed all right P36 P36 was originally advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on August the 28th uh 2024 for the meeting of October 22nd 2024 where it was continued to December 10th where it was continued to January 28th where it was continued to today I had a P36 is PD 27818 this is a zoning Amendment to the name of HCM Hospitality LLC it's a

change in zoning from a C2 General commercial district and mf1 multiple family medium density District to an mf1 multiple family medium density District excuse me please make sure all your phones are silenced sorry Terry it's in West Central Pasco County on the east side of US1 19 US Highway 19 approximately 950 ft south of State Road 52 containing approximately 4.44 acres is a request to continue the item to the March 25 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in newor to continue this was an advertised continuous I have a motion and I have a second all in favor I thank you now we're on to our consent agenda um okay we'll we'll take up p37 and if someone has wants to object we'll take it off I'm going to be pulling it okay all right so p37 is going to be pulled let's go to P38 P38 we have proof of publication in the Tampa B times January 8 2025 supplemented by an affid with certified mailing and site postings item P38 is pde 27799 this is a zoning Amendment it's a substantial modification to the pristine Lake Preserve mpud by Walker development company it's a resoning request to substantially modify the pristine Lake Preserve mpud to amend the pristine Lake Preserve mpud uses and to allow for the development of a 7,500 foot office building this comes to you with a recommendation to approve the Mudd resoning request and the attached resoning conditions of approval okay is there anybody here who wishes to object to P38 is there anyone online who wishes to object object to P38 no we have only one person on line and or two people online for a different matter okay so we will this is your opportunity yeah then you need to come up to the mic come on up to the mic then well well hang on I'll pull this off the consent yeah yeah hang on one second and then you can come up when we call P38 all right so now we're on to P39 I'm going to pull that one as well okay P39 is on the consent that's the end of that's the end of consent so we have no consent okay so let's go back to p373 thought we already did uh but we did not okay um we have proof of publication Tampa Bay Times January 8th and supplemented by Affidavit of uh certified mailings and site postings I p37 is pd25 cu5 this is a conditional use Amendment the name of Spanish lakes land company LLC Spanish Lakes CU it's a conditional use amendment to remove height limitation for previously approved multif family dwellings in a C2 General commercial District it's in West Central Pasco County it's approximately 150 ft north of State Road 52 East of Deerbrook Boulevard containing approximately 18.65 Acres um before I begin the presentation I uh would like to submit exp parte forms that were received with regard to Spanish Lakes I believe for each of the Commissioners I don't I don't think I

had one does it say there that if I had one yes I did yes you had okay I'm 224 okay um and then commissioner Mariano also had um for 224 and today additionally there's expar communication that was sent by uh Miss Jennifer kowak uh to each of the Commissioners that can be submitted to the clerk's office as well okay Madam chair just for further uh acknowledgement I've spoke with couple of residents in the neighborhood as well okay go ahead with the presentation please uh as I noted this is proposal is for a conditional use Amendment uh in a C2 General commercial District which is in the MU mixed use future land use category uh the applicant is requesting condition use amendment to remove the height limitation for previously approved multif family dwellings in a C2 General commercial District consistent with the underlying C2 zoning District which has no height limitation in the urban service area where this property is located the existing conditional use permit caps height at about 35 feet um this is the general location uh it is at the northeast corner if you will of uh St 52 and the interch at the Northeast part of The Interchange of st52 and the Sun Coast Parkway it's actually uh just to the east of the alignment of vision Road Deerbrook uh boulev which is the outline that you see in black and white coming up the center of the of the screen um Shady Hills is to the east and north of the subject property and uh the subject property does not quite abut State rule 52 to the South although it does abut a stub uh which connects to the road uh to which goes to the West into the subdivision along the Sun Coast Highway uh the connection at Deerbrook Boulevard does connect to sto 52 it's unsignalized it is the continuation of the vision road that passes through angelene or the Bexley properties that ultimately connect South to Sun Lake Boulevard through Angeline this is the subject property uh area you can see the St out to the south and west of the property this is is illustrating the zoning uh for the area for the future land and the Zoning for the area here so the subject property is currently vacant on approximately 18.65 Acres on February 8 2005 the border of County Commissioners approved petition number c501 for multif Family dwellings in a C2 General commercial district with conditions that limit the height of all buildings to be 35 ft in height access to the prop from Shady Hills a county maintained collector road with approximately 66 ft of rway and dear book Boulevard which is which is the stub connection at the east or excuse me at the south and west of the property and that is a county M residential Road as it moves east west but uh a County

collector as it moves north south Vision road with approximately 100t 105 ft of RightWay um since there was no approved rout study and the alignment of roadway a which is the deer Brook Boulevard connection that I pointed out on the highway Vision plan is only conceptual the applicant met with the Planning Development economic growth Department as well as the transportation engineering department and the county attorney's office on several occasions to work on an alignment for roadway a the Deerbrook Boulevard North South Vision road which provides connectivity at sa 52 and the existing intersection with the dear book Boulevard uh and connectivity at Shady Hills Road which will go along the west Edge and uh East to shev Hills and allows to the development of the property for multif family dwellings as approved by the BCC in 2005 so in 2005 that Vision Road connection that was crossing the property was not there the vision Road uh came about much later uh in about 2020 when the angelene project project Arthur was moving through the area uh this is the way uh the vision Road was conceptually uh mapped on the property uh showing the extent of what rideway would be required of the vision Road connection this would be the deer Brook Boulevard North South to Shady Hills on the North End and then this uh graphic illustrates option a uh which was discussed between the various departments and the applicant to realign the vision Road along the western edge of the subject property go a little bit further north and turn it to the east to connect to Shady Hills this graphic also illustrates the extent of the right of way and the type of Acquisitions that would be required in terms of dedications uh for the subject property and potential Acquisitions from neighboring Wetlands to the West this is option b which is slightly different option and then um since the the publication of the agenda there was an update to the um maximum Building height proposed for this project in initially they were the applicant was requesting to remove the height restriction that the board had imposed in 2005 at 35 ft and simply go with the urban service area uh policy which allows for no height regulation in the urban service area however the applicant has uh voluntarily capped their Building height at four stories uh so that is the update regarding um the height limitation and with that the plan development economic growth Department recommends approval with conditions of the requested zoning Amendment to the board of County Commissioners yes excuse me Terry um what you just mentioned is that the revision that was in revision from the originally published M yes I believe those were submitted this morning okay so on my agenda here is that revision on here I'm looking at it on online just

curious um and then um board members are there any questions of Terry before we get the applicant to speak commission Mariana thank you madam chair so I had not been um done any meeting on this until just half an hour ago um I don't think I had one so yeah so which is very unusual especially with what's going on um so I'm going to tell you the discussions I had to what going on to the changes I've suggested and I think I'll let the applicant talk to them Terry's already been informed to it so what I didn't like is just the uh the addition of the additional height in looking at the road I didn't like the way the roads were going to be constructed uh if you saw the three options that were on there each Road was set up differently one was 7.9 million one was 8.2 million the other was 10.7 Million um a lot of money for us to go spend this Vision Road situation this comes up next to a Mobile station Dunkin Donuts as it comes up it hits a neighborhood that goes to the left and then this road Vision road goes to the right which will then connect out to Shady hills's Boulevard um what I don't like about the uh sections for A and B is they were both going to hit close to four acres of wetlands which I didn't see any need to go do that what it also does both of them go up to the north one of them actually takes out a house which increases all your RightWay cost and everything um very substantially when I look at what I want to see and we talk about connectivity I think our code's going to do it and Terry might be able to speak to it more the main thing with this development it should connect from that intersection all the way out to Shady Hills Road on a free flow I don't think it's going to be a heavily used route I I don't know what you mean by that uh can you expand the map Terry maybe put a different picture up there okay so if you look on the left side of the screen where it says Oak ramble Drive the State Road 52 so from that point uh if it goes diagonally out to Shady Hills Road that's an important connection that will take a lot of people that may use this the retail here to be able to get the Shady o and back and for those that want to come down to the South they can cut through it's we want to see I don't think it warrants a vision Road and I'll say why you've got it Shady Hills Road to the right at the end of that road is an in a signalized intersection in my opinion that's where the vision Road should be coming Where It's All Uniform so you don't have to do anything we don't want to put another light down there at that Vision Road where it's proposed to be but we do want to promote the access so I'm going to make suggestions that we let the developer build a road doesn't have to be the 60t wide does be collector but it's got to be a free flowing no gates to impede it where people can go from Shady Hills to that intersection and and hit that retail part and go through the neighborhood well with just like a regular neighborhood thing would be that

other areas um Al also on Shady Hills Road I want to make sure that we do have enough so you have a left turn in and a right turn in so that you have turn Lanes coming in so it doesn't slow down the traffic because it's still many years before we actually improve Shady Hills Road um as far as the height restriction going to four stories what we're going to get is going to save a lot of money improve a connection point and even though we're already locked into the units that are going to go in and whatever numbers they get to if we get that connection I can I I'll listen to public com it but taking that height restriction going from three three stories to four stories they'll end up with a better product because they'll have elevator is in but it'll also make the connection which if we don't do this they could have their own connections but they could also gate it off and you wouldn't have the connection either so I could spend $10 million of taxpayer money or 7 million um destroying Wetlands or let development come in and make it work where we want it to work just with that code the way it sits well um I have some questions on taking away the status of that road because I hear that this is a vision Road that's going south and we need our we need our grid so I'm not I got to listen to the effect of that because the grid is important otherwise you get very crowded roads like you have on Shady Hills so um I just want to hear I don't think I had a meeting on this but maybe I did um but I I need to hear about the importance of that Connector Road before I'm willing to draw staff or well let's let Barbara do her presentation unless anyone else has any questions for Terry now I may have some after Barbara speaks but commissioner Bara will hiide 8637 Grand Boulevard um for the applicant so jumping to the the issues discussed we do have a condition that David and I worked on um to deal with making sure that what the commissioner is saying that happens internally to our project happens so people can come to and front Shady Hills to De book drive then get to the Dunkin' Donuts the car wash um through our project so we have a condition that David has agreed to um that we can put into the record now with regard to the vision Road we're not proposing this is Al your decision but we're not proposing that we take away what we what we've put together which is 30 feet of our property will go towards that Vision road so that you have ultimate choices right so you have a choice now that we're going to develop to provide the connectivity and if someday in the future the county wants to to do that Vision Road they'll have our part of the right away and I understand from David is that because it's in the comp plan we can change the alignment but you can't remove it without a compain Amendment so what I would ask today is that we leave

it like it is with our property making accommodation for a vision Road um pursuing to the alignment that we worked out with the County engineer and and a bunch of Staff people and then add a condition that talks about what our project will do as far as the connectivity and then when you update your vision road map in the future and was just sitting with staff and they're talking about updating it again on when I was in a different project then you all can talk about this Vision Road particularly whether you're going to leave it on or take it off but we'll accommodate it if you leave it on so it can be a Subs conversation where you can really hear from staff when you're doing the vision road map generally so that's what I would would suggest so that we can move this project forward and come up with our solution then you all can talk more globally about whether you want that Vision Road on there or not for the future um so that's my suggestion if that's acceptable the other thing is yes I I did check with Steve Henry and the turn Lanes we didn't do access management with this because all we were doing was amending an existing conditional use that allows for apartments and just changing the from three to four stories so we can have an elevator product which is a better product as as commissioner Mariano has mentioned but he but we will be having a turn lane we'll have a turn lane requirement when we come through site plan a right turn lane off of Shady Hills and a left turn lane in because obviously the capacity of that major road you don't want anybody sitting in traffic waiting for our traffic to turn left or our traffic slowing down to turn right so we will have a turn Ling requirement um at site plan okay and what I you know we are going to see this site plan well are we going to see it or staff going to see it staff will see it but I did mention to you that but we'll sit you with you with the site plan um where you want to talk about neighborhood parks and and just for transparency here to the board members because I did talk to Barbara this morning um on this and just that we typically wave the open space requirement for apartments and I'm I'm getting reluctant to wave the whole thing and I want to find a happy medium but I think we need more green space with our apartment so I mentioned that to bar and um and we will work on that with you yeah and staff okay so is that the extent of your presentation it is let me see what the public comment is and and i' be glad to talk some more bar could you just read the condition you're proposing for the record absolutely prior to final building inspection for the certificate of occupancy for the first residential building within the project the project shall be required to convey a public access easement over and across an internal access way to ensure automobile traffic bicycles and pedestrians can access and utilize the internal access way within the project two in from Shady

Hills Road and two in from Deerbrook Boulevard and the project shall not be gated um I'm looking at number four findings of fact there's an existing multi-use path along north side of 52 Deerbrook so this all stays yeah we have yes so we have a condition that instead of the required 5 foot sidewalk on Shady Hills it's 8 feet um we also have a condition that says that our our buildings will not front um Shady Hills we won't have any parking up to Shady Hills we'll have our ponds and then then we'll have our building so our buildings will be set back from Shady Hills Road a couple design things that I know would be of interest here that I don't know why someone's doing that I want to see the parking in the Middle with the buildings around it personally but well pond building parking okay um okay well we'll take public comment and then we'll come back to you probably first person I have signed up and I apologize Robert is a cargo Carlo Carlo good afternoon I'm Robert Carlo address 12753 Drake Field Drive Spring Hill Florida uh 34610 um I've been sworn in and um I'm the HOA president and we of what of Deerfield Lakes U pasc Okay Okay so we've been watching the the the growth in the area and the the biggest concerns really are the flow of traffic um that area that commercial area does get heavily used at Dunkin Donuts and the Circle K and and right now there tends to be uh traffic flow through our community to cut the light at Shady Hills um so much so and I'm not going to name the school but they tell their parents oh if you're late just cut through our community and you can get to school in time the big concern is that the vision Road Project doesn't extend South right now and it's a right turn only when you exit from Deerbrook and if those residents want to get out of the apartments they're going to either cut through our neighborhood or have to go all the way past uh Sun Coast and actually make a U-turn they're going to tend to go through our community and that's been the biggest concern and I'm not sure how the order of building and construction development goes in this project I I'm not opposed to the height I you know I I am opposed in a sense we are opposed that it's more people it goes from 140 unit to 300 units it's a lot of cars it's a lot of people um I appreciate the fact that with a four story it's going to be a nicer looking Community it's going to have the elevators that's all great it's just how do you deal with that much vehicle traffic in that area when it's a right turn only and is Vision road going to be built first or are the apartments going to be built first if the apartments are going to be built first all that traffic is going to flow through through our neighborhood so um those are the the biggest concerns that we're that our community is concerned about right now and um hopefully we can you know debate this a little bit better and understand the flow of traffic as it pertains to these different roads that are

considered for construction for this apartment complex um you know there's been a history of our community um that I want to go through and I know Mr Mariano talked to our prior President Bill hux we we had an identity on 52 we had a monument today's cost it's probably $50,000 monument that we had to take down at our own cost so we've constantly been giving things up with the vision road we also have to give up land so we keep giving and giving and giving and we want to make sure that the considerations include our community and that we understand the traffic flow and how our communi is going to be affected and if things are going to you know get out of control with people cutting through our neighborhood um thank you thank you um do we have someone else to that's the only one signed up for this item can we pull up a map um yeah I'm looking that on see where then proceed forward if you if you want to speak to if anyone else wants to speak to this item excuse me you cannot yell from back there come on up but if anyone else wants to speak I'm go ahead and get in the aisle here on p37 hi uh Jessica kof I live do I have to give my address you have to give your address yeah okay uh 12445 CC Wood Drive um in Deerfield okay were you did you yes I was sworn in thank you ma'am um so same concerns as the HOA president um the infrastructure is not where it needs to be to support support um an additional uh housing community uh we have Angeline going on in down 52 we also have a 55 and up Community being built down Shady Hills Road um which is going to bring in a substantial amount of traffic down Shady Hills um and uh you know this as he stated the um the height difference of just increasing it by 5 feet to allow you know an additional story will substantially increase the the traffic coming through our neighborhood um you know it's it's great that you know we have all of these people moving to our wonderful County but unfortunately we can't as a community um you know handle the the traffic we have to think of the safety of the young kids that that play in the front yards or on the side the families walking with the kids and the dogs and you know people Unfortunately they don't drive a safe speed all the time through the communities it's sometimes treated like a Raceway people trying to get from point at a point B as fast as possible aren't always paying attention these days everybody's texting and driving um and you know with this projected plan either you know we're taking away part of our Wetlands to create a a through Street for the new community of Apartments to get from their Community to Shady Hills or you know when 52 was redone they took away our ability to turn left out of our neighborhood so now we can only turn right go down to traffic lights do a U-turn or go out the back way to Shady

Hills to turn left at the light um so these are major things that need to be thought about when uh thinking about this new project um so the height requirement does play a big part of this you can put in an elevator in a three story project it is possible um so please just take all of these factors into account when thinking about this um and you know thank you for your time thank you very much what just happened over there oh okay that was interesting okay hey name and uh Pastor Jen care wack 15925 Green Glen Lane uh Spring Hill Florida and and I'm coming today um there were a couple things that I noticed and were you here when oh I already swore I was sworn in I didn't swear my gosh I didn't say that only time you'll probably see me get R um I just wanted to come forward today the concern about the height requirement um you know and and does present I would say if I lived in Deerfield Lakes that would be an issue for me because you know the potential of looking over into their neighborhood when folks bought in it wasn't like that um the other thing that um you know the transportation is a serious concern um I Echo and I won't go into um what the previous woman uh mention the other thing that I noticed um so as far as um providing and I might have lost my P the proof of publication um the Affidavit of posting I didn't see Quail Ridge on here and they do meet at the church um and I spoke with um the folks that are with the Master Association and the folks with the um the regular Association not the Villas and I didn't see where they were on here and they did tell me that they weren't aware that this was happening I just don't see them in sometimes they have different names but again the main concern I Echo is you know the issue with regards to the traffic that is going to increase on Shady Hills Road um it's a tight area putting 300 even if it was one car per unit which you know I don't know that I mean I have two cars I don't know about anybody else but you know the and one of the things that was in the presentation is that it would not increase the traffic flow so I think that it seems as if we're utilizing things from 2005 but we're also trying to bring in the things that are now in 2005 was not as busy in this area as it is now and I think we're all aware of that and so I would just ask that you take into consideration the email that I had submitted those points that I made there um as part of the record as well as my testimony today I did submit pictures after that that showed there was also no sign on Shady Hills Road so even if Quail Ridge didn't receive a letter they would not have known about the meeting unless they went to like the behind the mobile and Dunkin Donuts area there um because that's where the sign was posted so I ask at a minimum that you you

know you know continue maybe neighborhood meeting or something to that effect thank you very much thank you is there anyone else wishing to speak do we have anyone online no ma'am okay I don't know what's going on with commissioner waitman over there is that about this is is that about this hearing Barbara I don't know what you want to do there either the administrator the attorney and I didn't even notice inappropriate is it yeah it is inappropriate we're going to pause the meeting until y'all come back okay all right so I wanted to emphasize the condition that commissioner Mariano you know pointed out and that I read that is the condition that provides for the connectivity that doesn't exist now from Deerbrook to Shady Hills without going through deer field Lakes right so that is the importance of your interconnection and that that the board has a policy of and talks about all the time because now that traffic if they wanted to avoid the intersection of Shady Hills and 52 may go through Deerfield Lakes this project will find will have a different alternative to that and it'll be more direct than going up through Deerfield Lakes yeah the other thing I'm not sure that the residents um might realize that this property is Zone C2 yes it's approved for apartments and it's already that decision was made that it's appropriate for apartments but C2 is five times the traffic generator um that they would see so I think that's just important to understand the regarding the concern regarding height um for the public so what you're saying is a commercial use there drives more much more traffic generates five times the amount of traffic five times the amount of traffic than apartment complex correct okay the other thing regarding visual obviously that's always a you know an issue and we always looked at that specifically but in this case the nearest Home in Deerfield Lakes is 300 933 feet away 933 feet away it's also in between this project and those those homes in Deerfield Lakes there is a a very mature Wetland area with high trees so and then to our North is C2 property with no height limitation because it's in the urban service area and to our South is a C2 property with no um height limitation so just to give some context to you know how the traffic goes today how it could go under C2 what we're proposing with the condition that um commissioner Mariano worked with us on um I I'm trying to understand that condition because what what I haven't gotten here yet is the um the part of the vision Network and how this uh relates to angelene and when we say Angeline I'm going to guess what we're talking about is that the ory property that is not part of Angeline or is it part of Angeline but you can't speak um but he can speak um the property to the South isn't that the land that is not owned by Metro yes I can I'll we'll pull up a map in just a second I'll draw the line for

you yeah don't leave Barbara you can hang up I'm not going anywh and again we're we are fine with what we were out with staff on the vision Road it keeps your options open um I think it it works well can you explain to me what Jack was what he was saying because I didn't understand it I don't know if you guys did I I think the question is you know why is this Vision Road here I know that's how did it come to be the vision Road used to be aligned coming up through the Beckley property it was aligned to to the intersection this Vision Road was aligned to the intersection to make a fourway intersection at 52 and and the Dunkin Donuts whatever no and and Shady Hills so that your that's what your vision plan was when angelene came in for whatever reason obviously I'm not a party to any of that it was decided that to not have the vision Road make a four lane intersection with 52 and Shady Hills and staff agreed and ultimately you all agreed to realign it so it would go up through Deerbrook which isn't you heard staff you heard the the public comment it's not a intersection doesn't have a light it's only got a write in write out and so obviously that would probably change if it became a full vision road but that's just I think what commissioner Mariana was just referring to which was how thought out was that but what I'd like to do is talk about this project and have you all work on your vision road map when you the next update to it you can talk about what you feel about this Vision Ro but what we'd like to do is be able to come forward and offer our project our solution and ultimately you know provide a project that's going to provide that interconnectivity that gives more options of how people get around and even the Deerfield Lakes folks get around and how people don't have to go through their project to go from Deer Deerbrook to Shady Hills they can now come through our project so that's kind of the explanation yeah I'd rather you you know the whole Vision road is probably a discussion when you talk about your vision roads yeah okay um thank you right Terry uh so is that is that Deerfield inter I guess that's deer is that Deerfield um deer let me look here deer Brook Boulevard is that slated to become a a a full intersection you can see because we can't I feel like we took away a full intersection unless someone can explain something to me something different the vision I'll explain the vision Road Network in the area really quick um this is St 52 across the North End of the map here Sun Coast Parkway is right here what you see the red line coming down from south from St 52 this is sunic Boulevard moving through Angeline right about this location in Angeline uh connector Vision Connector Road a okay veers to the west and moves through this portion of project arther which were the seller retained properties when we were planning this project connector a sorry it's a battle with the

mouse so we'll have another bridge over the wildlife Corridor thanks thanks um so the connector a will come up this way all the way up to State 54 when project State 52 52 I'm sorry yes State 52 and when project Arthur was planned uh this segment of the vision Road was created and linked over to Shady Hills so that you could have this clean north south all the way up to Shady Hills versus the line coming across the prop the uh the sellers properties over here project Arthur sellers um and connecting to Shady Hills at that point so that's when this Vision Road came into existence at that time so that is the vision road right now that is the vision Road and that's what's known as the Deerbrook uh connector okay Madam chair yes so keep in mind when when I the current Vision Road the cost for right away going that way is right now at $7 million just about I don't know why we want to spend $7 million right secondly I don't know whys what versus what I'm just saying the just the right away to put the vision Road where they want where they want to put it talking about from 52 to Shady Hills from 52 to Shady Hills correct I think pretty important Road well we're going to get the road without spending a dime I'd rather do that the other thing is from that road that Connector Road a that should go to the light I don't know why anybody would not say proba ship is sailed I'm going to guess but I agree it should have gone to the light either either way so if it's going to come up you're going to go through that little part and then you're get to Shady Hills Road and you got to drive all those people to try to get up Shady Hills Road to make the turn so be it where wherever comes out but no regardless I can now build a road that'll connect through make a better connection as a matter of fact the folks at Deerfield if they're coming across whereas you right now said you got to go down two lights two urn come back over since the ax was cut off you guys would actually benefit from this because now you can come down to that thing and you can cut out through and now you can get the Shady Hills and take a right turn you're at a light you know you can't say anything but but I'm very familiar with the neighborhood I mean you got a great neighborhood up there but I think this might even help you with even the cut through stuff with what goes on now here's the thing they're approved from 2005 and at that time those who want to get mad we didn't have any Apartments anywhere yeah right we were just looking for things to come in and the C2 we're trying to get commercial to go up and down and sometimes you need the heads to get with it but what was going to come they're going to cap themselves at 360 Max so it's gone down from what that number and I don't think they would have got 432 anyway but let's say this keep keeping it the same by going vertical if we put the turn Lanes in on the Road it's going to make it a better access to it um and again we need a lot of money

and you can talk to our engineer Nick uran about how much money we don't have but if I can take $7 million or $10 million out of our capital budget and not have to go invest into this road I can do more things up there now I can actually look at the board to say you know what we got to go look at these impact fees that this thing's going to generate and let's continue doing more projects out there like we're doing right now you saying the develop just let the developer build a smaller Road I I I'm just trying to understand where the $7 million savings is coming from you're right because now we don't have to build the road but it's going to be avable if they come in they're building the road they're going to build the road this way yeah and it's going to be Public Access there'll be a sidewalk on both sides you're going to connect we you want to connect at the stub all the way to Shady Hills you're going to get the turn LS you want so when you do expand the road later you've got the capacity to do so as well are they doing an OT sidewalk on one of the sides can I clarify what Barber's proposing and she may want to come back up yeah I heard 30 ft I don't know that she's proposing an actual Road she's proposing that the drive aisles that the apartment complex would already have to build anyway would be open to the public and that they would connect dear Brook to Shady Hills I don't think that she's committing she's going to build a vision Road through the middle of her project and Barb not the middle right it the project we can the RO we cannot accommodate a vision Road through this project and ultimately that's why if you look at the different Vision Road Alternatives the VIS Road through the property ultimately obviously we wouldn't have a project we we're out of it and you're working with a property owner it's very very you'd have to buy the right away so that's what would jack up your cost now what again what I what I you cannot as David has said you cannot change you cannot make a decision regarding that Vision road today to change and say we don't want it that is a conversation you need to have when you come back and are updating your vision Ro Vision road map so what you're what I'm asking is the solution that we've come up with we had the solution that we will accommodate 30 ft of that Vision road if you ever want to do a vision road if not it will be green space if you never want to do a vision Road right so and then you'll make that decision you can have a conversation with all of your staff ready to talk about should there be deer foot Brook extension on your vision Road or shouldn't there be um but that's you David's like you can't make that decision today because you don't have a comp plan Amendment before you updating your vision road map so what we're saying is leave the 30 feet that we're d ating if you decide in the future to take that off your your vision road map then it'll just be green space um and then have the condition that I read in regarding the interconnectivity that will be able to

travel through our project no it's not the same as your vision road but the point is that people can travel through like many of us do to get from point A to point P we travel through other development that's your connectivity ordinance and that's what we're proposing here when we're proposing your connectivity ordinance just makes you connect but what the county attorney's office and staff have been working with many of my clients is on is making sure that there's a condition that requires that Public Access easement and so that's the condition we're writing here to ensure that pedestrians bikes and traffic can throw flow through our project to get from Shady Hills Road to 52 via Deerbrook and that's what we put together Madam chair yeah so David help me with this because again we just met right before this I had never met with this project before so I'm just trying to make something work if it's going to work I want to make sure that I don't need the huge Vision road that we're going to have I'm I want to give up on that idea though I know I got to do one Amendment for that later on but I want to have enough where they can put a road through that's going to be free flow of traffic sidewalks on both sides so that people from the stub there can get to Shady Hills Road so whether it be 30 feet whatever the number is I need you to probably say what it's got to be what barbar's proposed I don't think is consistent with what you're saying what so what do I need to say that I want to see to okay well then we're going to let let me talk to him so but I'm not sure that they're offering this okay but what you would needed to say that it's a public that it's a you would have to establish the width and that it's a roadway with no parking and sidewalks on both sides I don't know if that's what barbera's proposing but if that's what you're wanting is free flow then it couldn't have any parking along it and it would need to have sidewalks on both sides but again I don't think that that's that's not what the condition says so but I'll let Barbara comment because I don't think she's ever offered no that I I didn't and we we specifically talked about the fact that it would you know we'd have our we could have our parking Jason to that area where the free flow of traffic will go so I wrote I mean you know I'm I write what we talk about that's what I do um but that's certainly what we talked about was the fact that we could still have parking because if not I don't then you're saying we got to take right of way out of this proc property and we're going to have that same issue of what happens to the plan we do that so we're we can meet the connectivity ordinance and provide for the free flow of traffic through our project the question is are we allowed to park and have the traffic come through our parking area or not we're proposing to provide that flee free flow of traffic with the public easement over it that allows the traffic to go through but we're just saying allow it so we can config our site so we

can still use our site to allow that traffic to come through and if it's a parking area you know there's parking for the different units and that free flow of traffic is going through and yes there'll be sidewalks but it would be Road parking sidewalks because you have sidewalks amongst along the buildings so the sidewalks would be there it's just the issue like David's pointing out is would we be allowed to have to have parking let me traffic FL let me so Barber's correct the condition does require bike pad interconnectivity too so there would a bicycle or pedestrian would have to be able to get from Shady Hills Road to Deerbrook it may not be a along a a straight route but that conect connectivity would have to exist I I is this Vision Road New this this Vision Road Connector Road a is it new so Madam chair it was as Terry explained it was added when we approved Angeline okay and that's before this project came in so this project knew there was a vision actually was the opposite we approved this project first for apartments then we approved Angeline and put the vision Road over their property which they were not happy about okay that's the reason why staff would worked with them to try to realign the vision road so they wouldn't destroy their project okay I personally I'm okay with the parking on the road because I look at rangeland now we have to tweak what on street parking for collector or arterior roads look like which is what this would be right because we have people parking commercial vehicles on Rand which not I don't think barbera's proposing a collector road going through her project she's proposing well I want to be clear I'm okay with parking on the street that's all I'm saying we have it on rangeland which is a major road but I David's point is correct what you're getting is driving through a parking lot yeah versus maintained by whom maintained by the um apartment complex why would we want that that's what your interconnectivity ordinance actually requires is that we provide interconnectivity through our developed project that's what that's what your interconnectivity requires think this is difficult because I believe this is an important connection especially to Deer Brook the best way to think of this is any apartment comp you drive through has a drive AES in the apartment complex she's proposing that those Drive AES would be open to the public and they would connect Deerbrook to Shady Hills and that there would be sidewalks that connect Shady Hills to Deerbrook so it looks kind of looks like a road but it isn't really a road it's function it functions as a road when you when you drive through Lane when you drive-through commercial shopping center they have Drive ISS in them yeah so and sometimes they parking along them and sometimes they don't but bar Barber wants the ability to park along it too so do not I would not view this as a typical County collector Road right is there are there you know we haven't seen

a site plan so are there apartments on both sides of this road because you're pretty close to the Wetland on the right yeah I don't have the road the road it isn't laid out laid out okay but I think it'll function to get vehicles and pedestrians to and from Shady Hills and and Deerbrook and that'll happen now um through our project that's what your connectivity ordinance say is there a d Cel a d Cel Lane on Shady Hills to turn into it there will be a right turn diesel Lane and a left turn in Lane so that whether you're turning left into the project you're not sitting in the travel Lane and whether you're turning right slowing down to turn light you're not to turn right you're not not slowing down the traffic on Shady Hills Road and um they said the access coming out of Deerbrook has changed um do we anticipate that that's going to be a full service interchange well that's that is the conversation when you guys discuss what you want Vision Road below yeah when you disc that would be the developer coming in below when you yeah when you discuss your overall Vision road map and that's I think that's a discussion your staff will be queued up to answer all those questions Madam chair my recollection is that angelene is required to put in a light at that location when whenever that road comes through that's my recollection but staff can tell me if I'm wrong look at that the County engineer okay well that's not relevant here for today okay um and so and so we're kind of trading height for a cut through kind of here today in a way well I'm not sure you're you're trading actually actually we've capped our density and capped the you know the ask was let's make it consistent with the urban service area and we've capped it to four stories we've capped the density to three to 360 or 380 whatever my notes say there okay um so we're and you will not gate it you cannot gate it it's clearly cannot be gated so any other questions commissioner waitman sure thank you uh Mr White was it so what's your so y'all aren't going to build any piece of the this road we are not going to build any piece of your vision road we are going to provide right way towards your vision road if you ever decide once you all meet and decide that you whether you want that Vision Road there or not we are giving RightWay towards that Vision road so okay and who decides where that RightWay goes who's going to decide that cuz right now we not there's three options for how much ride of way the County's going to receive that's what we saw right that we went through three options with staff at their request show us three different ways that this could align and so we went through three different ways it could align we agreed on the alignment that we agreed on that's 30 feet of right away from this project on this what's shown on this map is that the agreed alignment no no oh no

that's that's the alignment of the vision Vision road that impacts their project so that yeah that's I can't see what you guys see the realignment is shown on one of Terry's prior slides Terry had the straight one to the traffic circle okay they're look at the same okay this this stretch of road will be a a pretty busy section used pretty regularly I imagine so who who was discussing how the three pricing options for the road and those came from staff yes the agenda it's in your agenda packet yeah we worked on that with yes so all right I was okay but they understand commissioner waitman today the alignment that somebody drew through this person's property goes right through the middle of their property yes so why is that is that a mistake an accident well it came after the fact somebody drew map a line on a map the staff person drew a line on a map and open was adopted into your vision road but it does go right through this person's property so generally that's not the easiest way if you want to do condemnation you can draw your lines wherever you want but if you want to work with property owners and accommodate these types of Roads you usually don't put a road to the mill of their property we we've talked about that one that also down there Bullock and Johnny Lane does the same thing it's the same thing we're trying to to but carbal so the similar issues happened down south on 41 at no fault to that property owner the county arbitrarily decided to put a road through their property without their knowledge this is another recent example of that the entitlements are here because of that this makes it a bit I mean it's a bit of a conundrum they they have the what they can build but yet we're saying we're put a road in the left and right hand aren't communicating with each other here at no fault to the property owner on this while there's other bigger pieces of this picture that traffic wise we need to figure out so I think we're all looking for what that answer is because they could go ahead and get to work and then we're out of a out of a road like because I was I was in these conversations so I know exactly the conundrum that you describe is exactly why attorney's office and the County engineer worked with the applicant at an alternate alignment for the vision road that skirts the edge of their property which does not destroy their ability to build this project is that this one because we weren't being shown this one before this is not in okay no what I was just going to add to that is is that even though the vision roads are shown it's it's a point A to point B how it meanders through the property can always be subject of of conversation so it's not necessarily we can say it's through

the middle but that's correct that's just a line on a map when these play I don't know when this was adopted but again those are negotiations that we have and we we discuss those how do you get from A to B that's the important piece how why is this going over someone's house is that a mistake like do these Pro exactly to the chair's point do these folks know that there's a potential road going right through their living room right now so this this I also asked this question in the Planning Commission we requireed the obligant to notify all these property owners that are that are impacted by this new alignment so they've all been noticed yes isn't that right bar yes they were all noticed and we made a not notice that the we were reining the vision Road I would say when that interesting enough when when angelene happened this amendment that put Deerbrook through this property or at least getting from point A to point B because because Mr Kabal is correct that the vision roads are point A to point B getting from dear Brook to 52 how you get there but when this was done this you updated your you updated your um Vision road map to do this it wasn't done through a public hearing notice with letters in connection with the angelene resoning in comp plan amendment was not noticed that way un like the burden that we took which they had made me do which is tell these neighbors that there's going to be a reignment on this Vision road so I did something that I had did to notify the neighbors that angelene did not do to this property owner when this change was made because it was made as a comp plan Amendment initiated by the county when they updated their whole yeah their whole comp plan Vision road map in 2022 and that's why I said look ultimately you if what you want to do with this road we've come up with a solution working together that allows the development of this property allows for The Division Road in the future to move forward ultimately you guys can talk more about what you want to do with your vision Road and have that conversation teed up because that would be a complain Amendment um in connection with an update to your to your vision road maps which you do I mean you do updates your vision Ro Maps often because we get these they were lines on the map then we talk development what can we make work both to make your vision roads work because they are important and also to make development work and so that we ultimately you don't have to buy you know the right away from the middle of this property which would B basically be you know quite expensive because you're going to damage the whole property okay can I ask you a question on this I I see um where it says Vision roadway option A and above that there are three black boxes and then there's another piece of land are those from the three black boxes North does is that not part of this application that's correct so the okay so that's so so we have the turn the east west road is not on the applicant's property at this point

that's correct why why are we not why are we turning so far north is it because there's a a turn there on Shady Hills one there's a curve there you can see the curve there so I'm guessing maybe that makes that dangerous to access it on the curve so so we have to go to someone else's property who's not represented here today um but in the meantime you would build a way for people to get through that goes through your development along that what did that road that Terry showed mean anything to you that Vision Road a as as far as your site plan it meant that I'm not here anymore and you can work with the domain attorney at some point well I'm I'm just saying that's not something that was done with you that that road means nothing the layout of that road was never done with that property owner okay so I was going by that was and they were never noticed unlike the fact that we noticed all right the properties all around us regarding this Vision Road at realignment all right we have a problem it's not this land owner's fault Madam chair come up with a a workable solution then yeah I tell you I'm not comfortable to tell you why like you just mentioned safety Etc I would love to give you the time to need to go devise us where we could have a roadway that would be seamlessly going through sidewalks on both sides have your Cuts where your buildings are Etc to get your people to access in and out but to have your people parking right on the edge of the Street think about that whether it be horizontal parking or even side parking I get traffic going both ways might might get busier later on especially starting out with the truck traffic coming in it's a dangerous situation I want to see it Main Street in Newport I want to I want to see it protected on both sides kened have your Cuts where you need them but we've got to have it you can't have people backing out our site can't accommodate that well you know I really wish I we were I think actually staff and engineer and they all worked out a a good compromise that keeps us out of court keeps the vision Road alive and Prov we have to do provides for the connectivity that the the code requires I think that's for right now I think they've worked out our only option personally what else is there and the turn Lanes on Shah Hills Road of course so do we know maybe Nick you can answer this when maybe when Shady Hills is going to be about what year it's going to be widened press down and hold the Newbie yeah good good afternoon Nick uren County engineer we don't have a project in our five-year CIP to widen this section of Shady Hills Boulevard so I can only say it's not going to be widen in the next five years Madam chair could there's one more one more comment which is if we actually requireed this applicant to build a road a true collector Road through the project we're going to have to give them

Mobility fee credits under state law so it would no longer be a free road we we'd be paying for it indirectly we there's no legal mechanism where we can force somebody to build a road and not give them credits yeah I think I think you have you guys have found the solution forward until we figure out how we're going to do the other um but there's got to be a connection so Madam chair so David how wide of a road do we need to for a two-lane road going back and forth with sidewalks on both sides I'm going to not that not that we want it but for them to go build here to answer that question I believe the minimum width for collector road is 60 or 70 ft I don't want to do a collector Road I just want to put a road that's going to go through I want it to be their Road it runs through how wide can a two-lane road be with the sidewalks on both sides yeah but commissioner you it's going to function as a collector so that's I mean that's what you're talking about doing so that's really the dimension you'd have to use it's not it's not a vision it's not but they're local roads there's subdivision collectors there's you know so I it would be probably 60 or 70 ft but Nick can you confirm that if you're asking the minimum width of the facilities to allow for conveyance of people and cars I'd say 33 ft two 11ft travel Lanes two 5ft sidewalks two 6inch curb and curves so 11 plus 11 is 22 32 plus the inch curbs on either side between the road and the sidewalk 33 Okay I mean that's that that's not platting it as a right of way that's not creating a road that is just providing facilities that are suitable for travel by vehicles and pedestrians from one end to the other through the site so it's three feet different than what you've said well you said we're doing 30 already now we're doing 30 if we do 33 we're good an issue right so there's travel ways which you said 11 or 12 11 yeah so 11 so we have our access ways have to be a certain with too the issue is a configuration issue it's an issue of whether we can have any parking and have our sidewalks on the other side of the parking Jason that's it's a configuration issue and so if you can't configure your buildings then you're constraining the site that's what it makes it unworkable but that's why I'm saying if we have those travel Lanes the condition it says we have to have those travel Lanes we have to have bike ped connectivity how we design it up and to make it work because we're trying to find something works because if we just if we don't find something works then we don't find something that works but we're trying to accommodate to make something work it's a configuration issue so if we can make it work I'm okay to put some of the impact FS toward it to get the road to be safe so that's going to take some time why do you think that's not safe I mean there's roads like that over America we have them all over Tampa

Bay Grand Boulevard Main Street um rangeland Lake BL yeah if I could clarify that 33 feet is the minimum width needed for those components but I would have no objection to me entering the sidewalk to the back of on street parking or parking spaces that would be accessed from the drive aisles these two 11 foot travel Lanes okay so it it doesn't mean that it has to be a continuous 33 foot wide typical section through the property it just means that those are the minimum widths where all of those components are provided adjacent to one another okay all right so the devil's going to be the details of the site plan yes so we we all want to meet with you when the site plan comes out do concur with what your engineer just said about the configuration yeah Madam chair yeah years past we've had sometimes and approvals like a project like this and it's probably been like 10 15 years since we did it but we asked to the site plan to come back to the board for final approval and this one is such a sensitive thing I think we should ask for that do you have objection to that that's within your discretion it's whether the the applicant I mean there's no standards to do that so we basically wouldn't have an approval today what no we're well you don't have any standards of reviewing a site plan at the board level so I mean it's just and it takes a long time to do that because I we did there we had an old condition in the the project at Ross and Little that required the site plan to come back we had to get all the all the way through the site plan approval so the staff reviewed it took six months and then it took three months to get to you all so you're talking you know and then at the end if you don't like it's a really difficult thing to bring a site plan back to you guys I lived it it sounds good when you're at rezoning let's just do that but it's it's very hard to do it well here's the problem the people at Ros Lane they're ticked off period they are unhappy because they were supposed to get a light there they thought they going to get a light there and it didn't happen had we brought the site plan back maybe they had got it well first of all that project is did contribute to making to making the light there the county is putting the light in the county regardless of that project closed that access for the VA so was nothing to do with that developer but I'm just saying regard that has nothing to do with this at all but with saying it sounds very easy to bring a site plan back but I'm telling you it is not that easy and it again we're trying to work together and move this project forward but all these things actually make a big difference in our success or failure here um so we'd ask that you not do that well uh how can we condition it with certain conditions in the site plan is there POS is there any I wrote a condition that I think both your county attorney has yeah said and your County engineer you're not going to be able to I don't know that you can strengthen

that condition anymore I mean unless you want to require specific infrastructure but it kind of already does so why don't we add what what um our County engineer said about the parking whatever he said did that make you more comfortable Jack I would rather continue it for 30 days I I think there's a a path forward here but I don't want to put people in Jeopardy and if you don't want to wait for the site plan you get time to look at it I know you guys are POS PA I know you're already looking at the site plan already you haven't fully devised it because of different things but I think that's the way to go approach this year I'm just not sure our conversation will be much different but um I can ask my client if that's here on the 25th I'm not here so um I don't know what more we can change what's what's do you guys have any opinions I I like the suggestion that Nick made the Nick's comments make me feel better about it but the the other piece to this um bigger picture maybe an after after meeting meeting with the Deer book CDD president the way the road configuration is in deerb I mean there's seven culde saacs I don't it it's perplexing to me that these are publicly owned roads this whole Community is set up as if it should be a gated community and somehow the develop ER got the county to be on the hook for these roads just the whole layout of of of Deerbrook the C the CDD president if the the members vote I don't know what the rule is but if they vote to take ownership of their community that means they can have their Road and then they can gate this is an HOA it's not a or HOA what excuse me the vernacular which well the difference is you can convey it to another public entity it's much more complicated to turn these back back to being private there are Provisions to do that but it's much more difficult so they could go back to the HOA County attorney it's technically not just as simple as it would be with a CDD which is why I made the statement that it it's not a CDD we have a long way to go so I want to keep the board meeting moving I would just say that look regarding the deer fil legs people going to Dunkin Donuts go through their project we are going to have an alternative and go through our project we're actually making the connectivity and the options which is why you have a connectivity ordinance so people have different options of way to move around so and again it's it is slated for it could have have commercial which again people could be going all different different directions I I do think the solution by having more connectivity through our project would make their it's much more direct it helps them for sure I think the Deerfield Road Project is a different conversation that's what I meant by that it's a bigger picture

conversation of this area [Music] um anyway I'm I'm more comfortable with Nick's way in on how this would work um Madam chair if I could just make a suggestion if you just took Barber's condition and just said that the access way has to be approved by the County engineer barar would that be acceptable to use without getting into exact exact design details let me ask my County Madam chair yes so let me my County engineer can you do that and and I want to be in a situation where not that you can approve it or not I want this to be looked at as the our engineer saying into your own professional opinion that you think it's going to be safe Whatever Gets designed so not like whether they can do it or not that'll be like a situation Happy Hill I want to make sure that you say whether you think it's safe or not not whether they can do it or not I need to be very clear about that safety should be first yeah I need I need from you another I can't understand this ends up being uh on consent yeah um let's take a motion to continue Madam chair yes so I'm going to make a motion to approve with the extra height to four stories with a conditions listed by Barbara that staff has I David you want to State those it would be the same one that Barbara read earlier but my suggestion assuming Barbara's client agreed was to just add that that access way would have to be approved by the County engineer okay so with it with bar was your client okay with that or not Tony it's better than the continues let's get it I just think the Mr County engineer you did state that that access way could have parking along the axis way and then the sidewalks on the other side whether it be parallel or vertical right those were ways that we could do this right agree okay yes okay can make a motion okay was that your motion hang on go back the way you described it it seemed to me that you wanted to see the roadway and the sidewalks there for the best safety are you saying differently now that she's asked you the question the way she asked you sorry I I don't understand your question all right so the roadway I thought you had said that you wanted to see it at 33 ft wide you could put the roadway going all the way through you could move the sidewalk from one to the from one to the other depending on the route you wanted to run through the apartments but I didn't understand you to say you thought the parking was safe along the roadway are you saying that you think that's safer or that's is that it safe I do think it's adequately safe to have on street parking on this connector roadway would your on street parking be like a um alongside the roadway horizontal or are you saying people can like pull in pull out from right

angles so I I would be looking to the board to give me guidance on what you would be willing to accept both parallel and perpendicular parking spaces on a roadway connection of this type would be deemed adequately safe in my professional opinion but if you think one of them obstructs the usefulness of the connection to the to an extent that you would not like to see it occur for example no perpendicular parking spaces that should be part of the motion I I wouldn't do perpendicular but the other two should be horizontal I'm okay with okay so we can't agree to that yeah so we're back at this you know again we you can't agree we cannot agree to that we not cannot agree perpendicular you would what about par uh angular or what's it called be parallel I was trying to get to that word parallel or angle angled that takes up less space I mean you're trying to to we're we're trying to accommodate the access way and The Pedestrian movement in a manner that we can develop our project the more you change that the more we can't be successful and that's that is the rub but you've had your County engineer who said that the configuration which I've said could happen which would be the travel Lanes the adequate size travel Lanes parking whether it be whichever way the parking goes and a sidewalk he said that that's adequate for this type of interconnectivity again we're doing interconnectivity by the code through this project we're not doing a vision Road we're not doing a County collector Road we're not doing a road because those things as David had says you would need to pay for and and we'd have to be able to accommodate which we can't accommodate so I mean I think that's why I was satisfied of saying the County engineer can approve it because he said that he's fine with different parking configuration whether it be whichever way the parking is he thinks that still provides the interconnectivity so mam chair I think it's if I could yeah so I think I think it's that vertical parking coming in out I mean you got to get people going around that thing maybe running the school running here running there um and I I think it's just a dangerous scenario I would rather work with you to go work on getting some infact fee credits to go build this road in a safer way that would offset your cost and make it more feasible and I it would take I don't know how long it would take to go go through and look at it but I would much rather do that than do it where I could put a dangerous situation out there how many impact the what what amount of impact fees generated by 1.5 million that's not going to build a road right but it might be enough to offset their profitability to make it work and there by make it safer for our people I'm willing to have the discussion to have it looked at it's about a 13 Acre Site here so I mean it's not like we can put roads 30 30 three foot roads we have to try to

accommodate with the development that's the way we're providing the interconnectivity is with this development it's a whole new discussion if we're trying to do a for you all you were going to do 30t for us anyway right I'm good with that your vision Road no he hasn't made a motion I I I no I'm pulling the motion I'm pulling the motion back because I'm not I'm not satisfied in the safety I'd rather continue it and work this out or bring the site PL site plan back to us I I don't see what can change other than a court hearing personally so we can't I would think we need to wait you want to wait I want to wait 30 days or all right I guess we're going to continue right way and I want to be safe yep I agree so um I make a motion to continue so Madam chair if I could just clar get clarification because we need to know what staff is going to do in the next 30 days I don't have any clue what if if you if you want if you want the applicant to prepare a site plan that shows how this interconnectivity would work that may be able to occur in 30 days I would prer to barar and her client but or I'm not sure if you're asking us to do that or go back and try to negotiate an actual Road deal because those are two very different conversations I think did I see Steve Henry here yes I did can he can you make any comments to this road with parking on it that makes commissioner Mariano more comfortable do you mind no Steve Henry linkon associate 5023 West floral and I agree with the County engineer I think that this is this is not a County collector roadway it is an interconnect roadway that can be designed whether it be parallel parking 90° parking can be designed safely to be able to accommodate the amount of traffic we're not talking about 50,000 cars per day we're talking about an interconnection that happens all the time within you know areas so it can be done it just needs to be done properly making sure there's adequate sight distance those type of things you can't put the park on on a tight curve those type of things but it can be designed to be safe given the volume that we're talking about here again this is is just an interconnect it is not a County collector roadway so when when you talk about donating 30 ft a rideway that would be on the left hand side of your property for a Future Vision road that we would come in and build later as angelene develops to the South that's correct so then we'd have both your throughway and the vision Road you have a solution and we'll take that one1 point whatever million dollars and put it towards the vision Road when it's time to build that you have both Solutions is what I've offered we've offered both Sol hen through our project as well as the solution of you ultimately can build a vision road because we're giving you right away for that towards that so you've kind of got both solutions that and lets the project move forward and the other thing is that the neighbors

are talking about cut through traffic everything else the reality is if you don't do this and you wait for the vision road that may you got $10 million you know that may never happen as opposed to this collector this connector roadway can happen almost immediately so that you get that relief today with the option of in the future to be able to do the vision R so you get both and you get that relief almost immediately and the apartment complex Builder is not going to build something that's dangerous that gets him sued all the time so I I think he will want to build a safe road too so I think we can move this through with the engineer taking a good look at it and commission Marana I would suggest you get a meeting you know maybe we're all going to ask you for a meeting it doesn't have to be a meeting like this but you know we're but I'm I'm comfortable now understanding everything I really am well if we're going to go down this road I want to be with the County engineer as we look at this thing through and we discuss together what was what's safe and what's not okay so let's throw out that other motion let's make a new one and second it and let's move on 321 move approval with the stated access with final approval of the County engineer without with his professional opinion period no other consideration need to be done um allowing the extra height to four stories 360 unit Max allowing for on Shady Hills Road a left turn in and a right turn lane Dell Lane coming in on Shady Hills Road okay second M madam so that's your motion also incorporates the conditions that staff has proposed for this project correct correct some of the things you said are already in the the approval okay so we have motion a second M yes if I may real quickly I I think there was also conversation on non-gated community too hear that I I read the condition into the the record and that condition is the record it's just adding on to it that it's the county Engineers approval thank you so so to my motion as well to make sure n non gated community as well yeah okay clarifying the second I heard okay right Oley all in favor I oppos okay P38 that was painful b38 I believe we've already read into the record the U publication go ahead please Perfect good afternoon William vermillian Planning Development economic growth before you today is item pde 27793 this is substantial Amendment to the pristine Lake Preserve imput to amend the imput to allow for a development of 7500 square foot office building could you clarify the plow number again could you repeat that I couldn't hear you could you clarify the file that you just read into the record pd25 77.99 okay that's not what I heard okay thank you perfect here's the rough location of the subject site just off of Aon cut off this proposal is to add the

additional 7500t office building into the existing imput which has 120 built single family detached units roughly 77 Acres here's the aerial location map showing those built single family detached as well as the portion 77 Acres that will be 7500 ft of office which is nestled along air and cut off here's that zoning map reflecting MPD future land use which is res 3 on the 77 acres in question here is a context map showing parcel 2 that'll be the 7500 Square ft of office the existing impuy as well as the surrounding area showing the Dupri preserves impuy as well as magn Magnolia Point and Aon cut off here's the imput master plan in red you can see delineated that 77 Acres a long eron cut off it's going to be the 7500 ft of office this is the conceptual plan provided by the applicant showing a two-story office building Associated parking and storm water infrastructure I'm here for this comes to you with a recommendation of approval from both the Planning Commission and Planning Development and economic growth I'm here for any questions uh is the applicant here oh [Laughter] boy Barbara will height 8627 Grand Boulevard okay and this was pulled off the consent by commissioner or because we have public opposition public yeah and I don't really know what the comment is but I'm just I'll be very very brief okay just to give you a little bit of History here because I represented this project for a long time when this project was first approved it was approved with its only access off of Fletcher Road folks on Fletcher Road really weren't happy about that the client committed to trying to get additional property to have access off of Aon so we came back and we got act we did this project the residential project off of Aaron in getting that property off of Aaron there was additional upins that at that time we didn't put any use on it because again we already had a residential project that we were just providing additional access to so it' be off of Aaron and not off of FL because that caused a lot of concern so here we are with the up piece of property that's perfect for daycare a community serving office we're coming back and and just adding a use to that parcel so just doesn't sit vacant and um I think it's pretty good pretty good thing for the county and for the community because it'll be uh it'll be local serving so I'm not sure ultimately what the issue is but I just want to give you a little bit of background that that's how this parcel came to be okay um so we have someone in audience who wish to speak to this item and if there's anyone else just because we're running late please line up behind if this okay this is the only speaker anyone online no okay thank you hi my name is Kelly Hamilton 15114 when Whisper Drive Odessa

33556 um I did swear in um just reading this without the additional information given I don't understand why you would take a preserve which is a by definition a protected area of land that includes a lake and has managed to preserve the natural resources and Wildlife I don't understand why you would take that away and let them build an office space Without Really knowing what it's going to be yet just to take up beautiful land people want to live in communities that are have I just think it's a shame sorry this is my first time public speaking but I just we moved out to Pasco County a year and a half ago and there has been so much change in that year and a half and there's something constantly being built and the beauty and the reason why people move here and want to live here I feel like is slowly being taken away and I think it's a shame I think it could be put somewhere else in a building that's already built that has been no longer used can be repurposed I just don't think it's necessary to take a preserve piece of land that was the name of the project it's not designated a preserve there is a preserve nearby it's called Connor preserve That's The Preserve this is someone this is some I know this is someone's private land and they have the legal right to develop it so okay but we do now that that has all been stated and now I know that yeah that's okay it's it's confusing when then it's called a preserve so no worries um okay so I guess we're yeah um any other did you choose the name of this project I said did you choose the name of the project what is the name of the project again pristine Lake Preserve okay yeah that can be confusing when you call a neighborhood of preserve all right I will entertain a motion approval second all in favor I I oppose okay P39 P39 we have proof of publication in the January 8th edition of the Tampa Bay Time supplemented by Affidavit of certified mailing and site postings good afternoon William for million Planning Development economic growth item P39 pte 75 7831 or 25 before I proceed I'd like to enter an exp parte into the record for the clerk's office do we need a a motion for that no for part filing yeah we've got a bu we good now now you're all good appreciate it this is a rezoning request from AR agricultural residential to master plan unit development in PD to allow for the maximum development of 63 single family detached homes and Associated infrastructure on 3 24.24% structure on that 34 acres in the northwest of Pasco County in the North Market area here is the location map just south Hudson Avenue extends down to fox fire Drive the existing zoning showing AR agricultural

residential and the future land use map guys three here's a context map of the location of this Mudd um just to the east we have the Palm wind Mudd that was approved about a year year and a half ago for 319 single family homes that extends all the way down to Sheiks Road from the North or from the south all the way up to Hudson Avenue and this shows Firefox Drive and the current end of Colony Road this Mudd with this master plan will be constructing a two-lane segment of the future Colony Road to their project access and then dedicating the rest down to the southern boundary as well as dedicating right away for a connection from the Palm wind impuy that can be that can be seen on the Arrow there on the bottom where the ride away for Colony Road extends South a couple things with the The Binding conceptual plan on this one staff worked with the applicant to ensure proper pedestrian circulation throughout this project it is faint to see but the applicant did provide a pedestrian interconnect to the Northwest as well as to the West in Le of vehicular connections as they're seeking A variation from 91611 Street design and dedication requirements those pedestrian interconnects flow through the entirety of the project as it's currently laid out to ensure proper pedestrian circulation for if and when those pieces of Lander ultimately developed can you point to those yeah I can't see them on the map certainly um sorry the uh my pointer is not working um do you mind will you drag the mouse over there for him sorry that apologies all right you be my driver so along that Western Edge where there's the uh the curve in the road so the sidewalk comes in along the street and then there's actually a gap there in between two homes no no so follow that South and now through up no no why don't you take the mous can I can I use Mr cyberon will you please point out those pedestrian connections okay perfect so Kurt now tra trace your arrow up along that road up colony and then right there stop go down the sidewalk will extend there off the road to a pedestrian connection to that parcel if it's developed which will then be at the corner of colony and Hudson so it will be a prime Redevelopment port at the the corner of those two roads but it will also extend North up Colony Road and now Mr cers please show us the is that wider than 5T is that a multi-use or a 5 foot sidewalk which is one person and a dog not two people walking side by side so let me you mind M chair yeah yeah I'm just trying to understand so you're telling me the sidewalk goes up to kind of where the black line stops and comes back down

it doesn't go all the way up to Hudson no it it it does both it it diverges in in sort of a a forking method one going to provide the connection to that property but also continuing North up to Hudson Avenue so the direct connection all the way to Hudson yes sir okay and then it also goes in between uh there's that corner lot there thank you Kurt um the sidewalk will also come off of that road in another forking manner to provide an interconnect to that property just to the West and then also continue along the the regular residential pattern for if um that property is developed the reason a vehicular interconnect wasn't provided there there's a significant elevation grade change that didn't permit um vehicular access it would have been safe but a pedestrian access would be feasible these are the exhibits for The Colony Road Improvement that that hatched lining showing the portion of the road that's going to be constructed by the applicant for their project access it's going to be the the two lanes of the ultimate4 foot segment that was approved by the the pd&e by the board of county commissioner some years ago as well as the rest of the dedication of the 124 ft down to the southern property line that pond that's highlighted up at the corner of Hudson yes that pond is roughly 86 acres and that is creditable as it's going to be holding uh water from Hudson Avenue and this uh this Vision Road the the rest of the pwns sites aren't creditable like I mentioned before the variation from 91611 Street design and dedication requirements in lie of those vehicular connections um to the West we provided enhanced pedestrian mobility in Li of that connection as well as a variation from 9012 I which I just spoke to originally this was expected to be 160 ft a right away for Colony Road after a PDN study was approved by the board of County Commissioners it was determined it needed to be reduced to 124 ft and this is consistent with that BCC route study for 124t of an urban cross-section can I me ask a question what is enhanced pedestrian versus regular pedestrian enhanced as in they originally weren't going to provide The Pedestrian connections to to the West because of their pattern of the residential layout as well as to the Northwest when staff was in the negotiation process of the mpud initially we wanted full vehicular connections to the West per the code 91611 weighing the elevation different constraints staff decided that if a pedestrian connection was provided there that we were amable to their variation from the code from a full vehicular access I got to look at that okay guys have any questions okay thank you applicant do you all have my PowerPoint presentation any motion for that yes if you would receive and file this PowerPoint move receive and file

all in favor I I don't have the number anymore thank you staff did a very good job going through the details so let me kind of just highlight a few things I mean you can see our project here on Hudson Avenue we always know where the schools are is important so we've measured we've measured how far they are they're more than two miles um our kids will be bust to those schools this is the site plan which um William showed you showing we' didot quite a bit of work this one took work as well because we have a a vision road coming through so we worked with um the County engineer and the county attorney's office on ultimately how we're going to design um Colony Road there was a difference between your rideway tables and your adopted PDN so we using the section from the PDN which is a little different from your tables but the PD is more specific than your tables um we will be doing Colony Road our portion from Hudson Avenue to our entrance and then donating the rest of the right away um we will also there's also a little sliver which David Goldstein caught at um at planting commission to make sure that Palm winds which is to our East can connect to Future Colony roads so we actually have a little bit of extra right of way that we're going to to um to convey as well so that Palm winds can have connectivity to to a Colony Road ultimately the land use in this is for this property Is Res three this whole area Is Res three which allows a maximum of 102 units we are proposing 63 current zoning is 34 we are also proposing 60 by 120 foot Lots those are 7200 square foot Lots your um R4 District which is your most dense District of aidian District or 6,000 squ foot Lots ultimately again talking about this area in context of developing the development and the growth in this area you put a vision Road in which means you're you're looking to have growth you have a Res three land use in all of this area and Central Water and Sewer in context in June of 2023 this board approved the Palm winds mpud which you can see our project how it complements the Palm winds mpud has 40 and 50 foot Lots um 313 of them their gross aage is 2.6 7 dwell units per acre to complement that we are proposing 60 by 120t Lots here at 1.8 dwell units per acre so we thought it'd be important to see how the two projects fit we will be providing a housing type that that's not um being provided over at Palms this is drb the client is drb and they these are their elevations of some of their products we included this because I think you'll find these products to be you know what they call these I think step up the 60 foot Lots the 7200 foot lots and and this is the step up renderings and with that I know there's some public comment ultimately I I would tell you that one of the things that probably will come up which maybe we'll

just talk about now is that we have provided the interconnectivity that's required by the code from our project to Foxfire Drive Foxfire Drive is a standard County maintained Road meeting your minimum standard requirements got asked a lot about this at at Planning Commission and I ultimately my answer is that your code says it I get asked about it all the time obviously we just talked about connectivity for a while there and the the reason why we have connectivity to Foxfire is that your code requires it so it's 91.6 d11 it allows for additional traffic circulation additional way way for traffic that's coming from the south they don't have to go down fax fire and then go over to Peach Tree Road they ultimately will be able to come through our project providing different ways to get to Hudson Avenue which is what your cod's encouraging and that's why we have the connectivity to um box Fair Drive I have I have a couple questions does anyone else um who is this the road section designed by Margaret who who designed this road section I'm just curious it was UL a consultant for the PDN I'm just trying to understand a 5- foot sidewalk and two 8ft bike lanes and we had this debate at the TMA I I I like to cycle but I don't cycle with traffic uh I know some dedicated cyclists prefer the road to the sidewalk but if but I sure wouldn't let any of my kids ride in the road so why are we devoting so much to the road and not enough to multi-use path even 3 feet more on the multi-use path that's you Mr County engineer Madam chair the typical section actually that was shown in the um route study that was approved by the board in 2002 differ slightly from what's on the screen but I agree with you can we adjust this I mean this isn't her right she's not building are you building this road we're building a portion of it well then I definitely want to discuss this because I this is not the road we should be building if this was we designed this in 2002 it's not it's not right and um I don't even understand some of this so can we I don't want to hold up your project um but we certainly can do better on the road right we have our engineer come up and talk engineering Madam chair yeah so I'm glad you're bringing that point out it's a great great pickup because I think if you were able to build that road a little narrower you get more of that road coming down to proa possibly make that connection sooner than later well maybe but certainly that isn't the roadcape that we should be building Trent Stevens and L up Consulting 505 East Jackson uh Tampa Florida I have been sworn um this is the half section so we're only building the western side so um it's four lanes dived yes yes ma'am oh wow so we're only building the west side it's kind of big on the east side there will be a

multi-use path when you guys come in and build the the ultimate section there will be another uh multi-use path okay so this is a big road like little or okay I had no idea so what we what we agreed with uh Nick we went through negotiation is the um because we're it only is only going to be a two-lane road until the ultimate buildout we are adding an extra bike lane so both directions will have bike lanes that bike lane on the east side will be demoed when you come in and build the ultimate additional two but I still wonder if we need this wide of a road section and this is the debate we were having in bp8 right this is a really R wide Road madam if I could yeah so I think there's actually a mistake in the graphic that the typical section that was approved in 2002 had five foot sidewalks 4 foot bike lanes and 12 foot travel Lanes I think what they're now showing is four I think they've mislabeled the bike Lanes as 8 feet instead of four and they're showing a reduction from the travel lanes that were approved in the route study in 2002 from 12 to 11 honestly I I would love to have a more protracted discussion with the board about what the typical sections should be that we are typically that we're going to construct on our vision Road Network there's a 2019 resolution that the board adopted at that time directing my predecessor to build roads with on street bike Lanes every time we touched a road and and then a 12 foot path on one side and a five- foot path on the other side if the board wants to revisit that we can certainly bring Alternatives back for consideration they do have implications with expect to comprehensive planning because we establish a footprint for our vision Road network based on the components of the road that we expect to construct what is the two what is the six foot offset what is that that's just Green Space and then we have 9 foot of green space so we have 15 ft not that I I love my tree you know this is going to have oak trees going downside it's going to be a beautiful road but do we need both of those green spaces so real quick to clarify the the bike lanes are actually per your detail uh five feet oh well it says eight foot here that's that on our binding plan we show the correct I don't know which one that is on the slide the and again the uh your stabiliz the uh the green that that's the detail from your ultimate buildout as far as the well how can we move this forward but fix you know work on that what's what would you be your recommendation from staff if the board doesn't want this facility to be constructed with on street bike Lanes then we can narrow the roadway surface to just include the twoot curb and gutter on the left two 11 foot travel Lanes stabilized shoulder on the right and put the additional um impervious area into the pathway on the West Side make that either a 10 or a 12 foot pathway on the west side if this is

a main you know and if that can you know Meander a little through that green space that's better that'll be beautiful Meander so our team is fine with is with cross-section that you guys are talking about ultimately it's your it's your road yeah it's your cross-section so I want to be te as long as we're not proposing anything that's going to cost them more which I don't think it will no I think we're talking about I think I think we're fine we're fine with ultimately if you approve this that we have a condition that or part of your motion that says that you're approving the cross-section as as appr by the County engineer and then we'll just fix the paperwork before it's executed so we're we're flexible because it is your road um and we respect you know I I I think that we should approve it with the conditions that we we don't have to figure out what our roads look like right right here right now I don't think we should but let's approve it with the conditions that we work on with our engineering and our staff we'll come up with something for condition okay this is a public hearing does anyone want to speak to this item we have numerous signed up Mr W okay good afternoon elected officials Clinton win 12709 win Lane in Hudson um from this map it looks like invisible Vision roads not Vision roads um I've got some bullet points here but our roads starky are really important so having a plan now before we do this is important I'm going to try and get through my notes I'm not sure what um Miss will height was saying that she's not sure how sackson is going to compliment Palm wind you guys cram Palm went through the Fair Winds um there were three different hearings on the third and final hearing you guys did not allow public comment you went back you da delayed this 90 days you opened up in the Fair Winds where we have no sidewalks we have mothers and fathers walking their kids in the mud to the school bus we have no infrastructure we have fatalities at colony and 52 we have Fair Winds now connected through the colony Bumper to Bumper No Light No street signs nothing you guys do a field trip and come to our neighborhood and see how it is um so I have a question about that um as you tell them pretty pretty heated when Palm wind was originally approved it was approved for 305 homes but now it was 319 where did that change and who did that there's 22 homes right now there what I want to know is how the showman property is being rezoned a into this development this is a place called Shady Oaks ranches and it's comprised of 30 properties that are agricultural these families have invested they have homes they have animals and this is going to affect code enforcement big time so now that we have to now not be able to shoot not be able to clean work out there in our property have a bonfire I was silenced by the county to do a burn on my Agland because of the new development so if there's ever a bonfire

from some of the neighbors and it spreads through my pine tree Forest am I now liable that's that's unacceptable I'm doing all my property to preserve my agricultural hair here um I'm requesting a 90-day table of this because I think you owe it to the residents of pach tree fox fire and Colony Road Colony Road is a major issue guys we all know it and then this is an invisible Road Colony Road needs to be handled by the builders not by the taxpayer or anything else so all this development that you're bringing in there we're not properly planted and I'm going to keep complaining on all my committees infrastructure infrastructure infrastructure I also go to all your meetings the 2050 plan I think that's just a pile of you know what because I go I draw little trees on the pastures I draw little animals all the things you guys tell us to do as Citizens we put our time in and it's ignored so I know I come up here hostile I'm not against development so understand that I want proper infrastructure thank you Miss cosmer Marcia cosmer Marcia cosic hi I live on 11908 Foxfire Drive and I am the property you were sworn yes sir okay that's all you just need to say that I live it directly across from where their entrance on Fox fire and it is fox fire for the record not fire fox um I raise sheep milk sheep we also raise Dairy goats and them being um a Housing Development right across the street especially two story homes they're going to be seeing on the property all kinds of things and yes we do have bonfires I open up for 4 clubs this is really going to affect our lifestyles I didn't buy into a neighborhood into a subdivision per se but it's being brought to my door literally to my doorstep our properties are parallel they're probably exactly across the street I've got kids that go to the bus stop my son almost got hit two weeks ago because of the traffic already because you opened up um what is that neighborhood called not Shadow Ridge Meadow Oaks onto Fair Winds now they come over and they they're going to go to Hudson Avenue so obviously they come up Colony Road boxfire to Peach the traffic it's already there just from opening up and I don't even I think that was opened up maybe three years ago and then I heard about the Palm I know I'm not sure if I have that proper neighborhood that y'all have been talking about Palm winds or that comes all the way from Hudson Avenue to Fair Winds so obviously there's more and more traffic and now you're you're going to have an entrance from a subdivision right

directly on boxfire drive so there's two main topics is the traffic my children aren't safe for walking God forbid if one of my goats or sheep get out there or dogs how many people are going to stick their hands over I've got horses I can't even go horseback riding anymore I bought out there cuz we did go horseback riding there used to be places to go and now there's nowhere I don't dare to go out there with the horses because you have all these cars and do they go around you no they only go around the school buses school buses are going too slow and the road's not wide enough legally to pass in my opinion so that makes for dangerous and I've been there 20 years when I first moved there we did go riding down the road and it it was nice now thank you very much your I'm sorry I didn't see your your buzzer go off next uh next up would be Joelle ner Joel ner 12413 Hudson Avenue and yes I was sworn in um I'm here representing the Angelus we are just north of this property build um actually just north of palm WS but Palm winds and this are both affecting the traffic patterns in our area um I am concerned about the infrastructure and not being able to support the traffic that this will add we have a bus stop literally outside our property there's one little boy that gets picked up on that blind corner on the S turn and I'm concerned every day for him um I don't think that we have the infrastructure to support even more without a full study of some kind because this is getting crazy traffic is getting busy it's getting insane it is dangerous for students walking for everything and yes we bought in a rural area we have 17 Acres we're rural our neighbors were Rural and now it's not being that way anymore and I know people are building and I know people are coming into the community and that's great for support but I am concerned over the infrastructure for the whole area just because of these traffic patterns there's no lights there's no sidewalk on Hudson Avenue and that's just the north side and I know you're talking about further south but it's going to be coming north and that is our concern um not only for the community but my residents because my residents are all in wheelchairs and that is an issue so thank you thank you thanks for the great work your family does too Ravis Johns good afternoon board thank you very much for uh for hearing this uh it's Rivas John's 11934 Foxfire Drive um I like to start off by saying you know I had a lot to say a lot of notes but um after sitting here you were sworn I'm sorry you were sworn in right yeah yes I was he's been here all day pretty much and uh after uh hearing what uh what's uh been going on in this meeting for the last few days it's actually I mean

excuse me the last few hours it's it's been concerning to see how many uh um places that Miss will height is actually um over or looking into for the county and uh well I guess I'd like to get to um in the 2050e plan Colony Road was set slated to run all the way through to Hudson now with that being said I've been living in that spot that I built my house on 3 acres for 15 years and when I bought it until right now you must have one acre or more to build in shade Shady Oaks ranches with them buying that piece of parcel that connects into Shady Oaks ranches is a violation as far as I'm concerned because now you're taking away to credibility of our one acre in up plots which is losing value to our houses and our property now with that being said in the 2050 year plan I was going to build another house on the other side of my property but permitting wouldn't allow me to pull permits for the simple fact that I was in the 2050e land uh plan for Colony Road now with that being said I see all these buildings going around me that the permitting and the board is allowing to build but yet they won't let me build anything on my property because that roadway is in a 2050 year plan now if you actually look where the road comes out the only thing that they're going to do is from out their subdivision and up to Hudson Avenue there's another way they didn't have to try to have this piece of property built they could have ran straight across and ran as a second Outlet to the road that they're showing there that's not even a road it's just a connection that is about I'd say a little more than 500 yards that they can tie in the Colony Road and make that an easier pathway straight to Hudson Avenue like is in the 2050 year plan instead of running everybody through our neighborhood we already have a hard time getting in and out the traffic is ridiculous and the subdivisions are not even done yet you're talking 13,300 houses and possibly more because there's more subdivisions around us that have already been proved approved and it's it's just absolutely ridiculous and the traffic is getting worse and worse every time a car or a big truck goes by my house everything in the house shakes you know and and you know you guys have a plan a vision 2050 but you don't stick to it you inconvenience everybody else thank you very much for your time I do appreciate it thank you so you're on the corner of Foxfire and Colony yeah okay I just looked at it my property up okay thank you Bridget Erikson is the next one signed up hi my name I live at 11 1931 Foxfire Drive I have been sworn in um I have horses so I'm concerned about changing it from a to mpud secondly I live may I SP go like that's my you you need to um stay at the mic or you're right through my living room I've lived there for 18 years I'm a Florida

resident I've been in pville County over 35 years I've invested my time my blood my sweat and tears and that property with my horses I built my stalls I've built my pole barn I lived there my fames lived here my son goes to went to high school here I have grandchildren here and now you're talking about these pretty little sidewalks and about the bicyclist for new people what about the people that have lived in Pasco County that have been paying taxes for all the time that we've lived here what about the people that have contributed to Pasco County you're pushing us out to bring new people in and it's not fair to all of us where's the give where's the give and take here you're taking taking taking from Pasco County residents but you're not giving us anything back and again main point that's my home you got going right through my living room that's not going to happen you cannot take my livelihood you can't take my life away you can't take my home away this needs to be reconstructive redone and uh it needs to be relooked at so they can plan another way to they can go Colony Road straight up why do they have to go through corner like that why do you have to go through my land why do you have to go through my living room why can't you just go straight up I mean I don't care about your sidewalks I don't care about your little ponds I don't care about how big a sidewalk is I care about that's where I live and sleep and reside thank you thank you that's all we have signed up in advance come on it is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this item if so please get in line may speak yes hello my name is Jeremy riffy I'm with 1346 white Walnut Street and I have been sworn in what what C is that white white Walnut yes white Walnut Street six okay Mr Mariana you and I spoke when you came to my station on uh this month of the 13th and you said you know well unfortunately I wasn't able to get those people together but I do have approximately 30 people here who feel the same way but they're hardworking people like me and they just can't be here because they're they're doing their jobs I moved here for the greenery I'm okay with building but when you start pushing out animals and you create safety issues just like last uh I think it was November last year headed to work and all of a sudden what do I see I see a child who struck at a bus stop and why well he was fatally uh injured because people are going around trying to avoid these traffic lights they're going through our subdivisions and they're speeding they're not paying attention and struck them and killed them the pedestrian traffic I run these calls every day nobody else runs these calls I see these calls pedestrians are hit more often than you would know um but when we start pushing out Wildlife you know we have the sandill cranes is if you see two sandill cranes together they're like a married couple they will mate for life so when you see one just walking around all lonely it's because it will no longer mate for life because they're being wiped out the go for

tauris is they create homes for 350 other species of animals and what do we do we put concrete on top of them and it takes them about a year to die so they pretty much starve to death we got migrating birds we have deer raccoons all being killed there's even talk about a black wolf look up a black wolf apparently was extinct for about 100 years but now we're saying we're seeing them in our areas because they got nowhere else to go uh nox gases all these extra vehicles are creating extra pollution that we're sitting in in traffic you know I was just at uh in Belgium and people there cough non-stop because of all the nox gases coming out of our vehicles what are nox gases nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide are these the things that are causing cancer as we sit in them and US 19 as we can go long or get anywhere uh Smog and asine come from those two things infrastructure US1 19 I can't do it anymore get my kids every day from Tarpon Springs which I'm already them cuz I'm here to speak for everybody who cannot be here 52 is still two lanes yet we're worried about all this other stuff you know what about our water our power you know nobody's thinking about our you know people like me right now uh you know I got a septic tank that won't drain because all this increased building is pushing it more towards me you you guys are elevating your lands you have the money to do that I don't um what happens you know in a state of emergency when we need to get out of here how the hell are everybody going to evacuate this area when these roads are deadlocked you know trying to get anywhere and what happens with people like me as everyone's already mentioned you know we want to go shoot we want to have our cows our horses have our kids have what I had you know years of having land our kids are on phones all day instead of being out in nature that's what they want to do and everyone's pushing towards that that's not what I want I don't want to see you know these houses packed together and then creates all these issues like just like last time I tried to get food uh with all these extra people here the food just SS out even quicker uh I don't know when we're going to stop bulldozing we need to start preserving our our resources that's just me thank you okay this our last speaker today is there anyone online and not for this item okay hi Pastor Jen uh carak 15925 green Glenn Lanes from Hill Florida and some of these folks have come to the Shady Hill civic association meetings so I felt it important to just Advocate uh you know for their position um and just in that I know that most everyone knows of the golden rule du unto those that as you would have done to yourself and it sounds as if maybe one of the neighbors is not being as great of a neighbor um those with more land are not more important than those that don't have as much land the neighbors should be equally and you know I just most of these projects the reason why people come and just are concerned and those that are concerned and can

attend because they're working is because you know they don't know necessarily the intricacies they maybe there are things that could be worked out and then we spend time here you know trying to advocate for a position that maybe otherwise would have been worked out I understand not every situation requires a neighborhood meeting but like come on let's be a good neighbor as the gentleman said Miss will height uh advocates for many land owners you know and and there are like a few that likewise as Miss will height I mean have a neighborhood meeting meet with the folks around you let them know see if there's something that you know could be advocated and I ask that you as as the leaders in this County that you would ask the same that that they begin to try and Advocate and collaborate in a positive way way so that you know we can be still remain a good community in Florida okay um to the applicant and I have a question on the vision Road I guess yeah me too I have a comment or will height for the applicant I understand the speaker and the person that knows the home div Vision Road is those are decisions hard decisions you have to make when you set out where you want Vision roads and then you do a PDN and the PDN that you do way out where to get the right of way make sure everyone knows what a PDN is because there's people who don't know what that is I know it is PDN but what's the proper name it's an F do term it's project development and environmental study and what we do in the County Route study a route study is choosing the alignment of a road excuse me and the drainage facility locations so that we can actually construct the network needed to move people around okay thank you so ultimately there's a process you guys go through and ultimately there's public hearings on that Vision Road and so we we are been asked to accommodate your road and so that's what we're doing that's why Colony Road is on our property would my client probably like to develop the whole thing and push the road on somebody else's property sure I mean that might be the thing but no we we were accommodating the road we were asked to accommodate the road you're P PD and ass us to accommodate the road so that's how the road came to be we didn't choose the alignment we didn't even choose the cross-section we obviously going to work on a better cross-section I think one of the things you have to have perspective is that this property since 1989 has all been um approved by the county as residential three it's a Suburban density three units per acre I'm say that again three units per acre is your land use designation for this for this area it's not just this property it's all south of Hudson Avenue it's a it's res 3 so when you talk about did we did we look at the community we're coming to we did Res three allows 102 units next door you approved Palm winds with 40 and 50 foot Lots we didn't

come and propose 40 and 50 foot Lots we didn't come and proposed 6,000 foot Lots which are your R4 District we didn't come and propose an R4 District without conditions we came forward as an mpud to exceed your R4 district and we did that because the client was committed to a quality project and all of your standards regarding architectural standards and the things that you like to see in muds that if I would have come as an R4 with 6,000 square foot Lots it would just been your zoning District so Pastor Jen and and guess they know me by name now um you know I grew up in this community as well and care about it but when we look at a place where we're going to bring a project where I look at with my clients we actually look at where we're bringing that project and that's why we're bringing forward 60 through three units instead of 102 that's why we're bringing forward 60 by 120t Lots 7200 F feet instead of 4,000 square feet or 5,000 square feet or even your code that says 6,000 square feet where you have Central Water and Sewer where you make those investments in central Water and Sewer is where your growth is ultimately going to go again the connection to to Foxfire um is a code requirement so that you have different connectivity people can travel different ways that's why it's there I would add that you know commissioner Mariano did mention when I spoke to him like could there be a disclosure a written disclosure for our residents that they can appreciate that there are surrounding residents that have an agricultural lifestyle and I did prepare um a condition and I did run it by it's been such a long day I did run it by Mr Goldstein and staff that we could add to a disclosure so there is that Mutual our residents know that there are neighbors that have an agricultural lifestyle so I'm going to pass this out um um take a motion do I have a second second all in favor I I with regard to Wildlife we do wildlife surveys and goph for tortoises are no longer allowed to be just um mitigated on site you have to move them quite a process to do that quite an expense to clients to do that but they cannot put concrete on them and suffocate them they have to be moved and again we have to do all the wildlife surveys and we have to do them multiple times we had to do them with the mpud we have to do them again at prelimary plan they're only good for 18 months and then even after that when we go out to actually start development your staff goes out again and if any go for tortoises have come onto the site since we moved them all then they have to be taken care of as well it's a condition that deals with any any um Wildlife that comes onto the site after we start construction we can't still still aren't allowed to put concrete over them or suffocate go for tortoises I think that's all I have um I think everything else we have talked about if you have any particular questions for myself my team level up my

clients drb or Steve Henry who has done our traffic I I would add we heard a lot about the intersection of State Road 52 and Colony at um at the Planning Commission Hudson and 52 52 52 Colony yeah all the way down I know we're at Hudson I looked at here on the map yeah the fact that that intersection doesn't have an intersection um but and we staff actually researched that after Planning Commission and I would sent a copy of it that FD is in the process of doing a improvements to that intersection to make it signalized so I think that's a response to people's concerns that fdot is actually moving that forward um so I want to let you know that if you want more details about that I'm not the detail person but I can tell you that do is already working on it knows of that issue and they're planning on making that a signalized intersection I do have one question because I'm here on Google Maps looking at this property does the do the is there a sacon family I'm going to guess or I think that's who the yes that's the the family that we buying the property from okay and do they live on this property no so I'm looking at probably I'm looking at a lot of activity and dumping on this property they're someone someone's using this property this is kind of what happens when certain areas you know it becomes someone's four-wheel someone else's four-wheel driving in camping area and I that that could be a problem um uh the other thing is I want to say about the bonfires and coming from family us bonfires all the time you you're allowed to do that I mean we have we have residents in Trin Trinity and um what's the name that golf course there in Trinity it's getting late Robert Trent Jones that one what's the name of that golf course there there are there are people in Fox Hollow who have you know the the the um solos or whatever or homemade bonfires in their backyard and I know I had a resident who was complaining about it she had asthma but fully within that homeowner's right to have a bonfire in their yard so don't if this goes through don't think that you can't still enjoy your own property you you cannot raise your hand from the audience um but you can still continue to own your enjoy your property so um so how can we help them with the road issue if it's already well you know that's conceptual right no I know with I mean also that if you're having all that development around there just what what do the roads look like well we I think we have to work that out amongst ourselves we have this issue in other places too that we're using a model from 2002 is that what you said 2002 to board approval of a route study oh rout for Colony Road okay well you know the road needs to connect it's an important connector from Hudson to 52 if we don't have these kind of interconnects then our roads will be at a standstill so we must must complete

the grid but we have to do it thoughtfully and respectfully and I don't think this is happening anytime soon but it's not the responsibility of these guys to figure out our right no I no I was just thinking the lady that was here if she's still here like if somebody could talk to her you know about you know not going through her living room and I think I you cannot you cannot talk from out there I'm so sorry but it won't you know we there's a long process and a lot of time before anything happens and you will be included everyone will be included in in that discussion they'll be public hearings and things like that so um is there someone that could talk to her right now after we're done thank you can talk with meet her in the back with the County engineer thank you okay um commission Mariano yeah can you um put up the slide before with the c there you go that one right there yes so if you look on the right side of that that developed there much more dense but that thing connects down to Fairwinds which is a lot further to the South we get a situation where and I'm not sure what's right to the side to them Etc but you know all these one acre lots people are doing all sorts of agricultural Etc and all of a sudden we're going to squeeze it right in and the worst part is we're not even allowing for the road to be connected now if you wanted to show a benefit so be it but right now you're going to take all that extra tra traffic and those you ever go up there if you go up Colony Road you got to take a ride on Fox fire you got to come up to another turn take another right turn and then you going to H to Hudson Avenue it's it's not ideal um and I will say you I I wish that staff had worked with us closer because this Development coming in on Palm wind had this work with this one better they could have made that connection in Colony right through their property could have gone right along the edge but that didn't happen and that's what we that's the type of thing we need to change what we're doing if we're going to come into a rural area like this and have development come in it's got to work better right now again just with the dimensions of what that road was supposed to be uh and Mrs Erikson I looked at your house right there and I'm watching how can we design a house a roadway going right through somebody's house why would we do that especially we could have gone up a little bit further in the other development and then brought it over from there when we saw we're making a change now this road where Road was going to go so to me it's like these Vision roads are tough we seeing today but handling this one here um to me it's it's it's it's not ready um that connection to Conley Road needs to be done to take the roadway on Foxfire and just throw more traffic down there I would rather even see a culdesac or even just a a t-section there and just let the people if they're going to come in there that they got to go up on Hudson Avenue that's their only way in

and out uh unless they connect over to the other neighborhood there but to bring him down fox fire and up and around let him go straight up and over they don't need any more traffic right there these are rural roads that are are dangerous at night I mean you know people have signs up there they got reflectors up there it's not it's not a great scenario and to tell a neighbor that has a acre parcel and he can't build another home on the other rle but now we're going to let our four come in what are we doing I mean I'm I'm glad we're looking the adus that's great it's classic example why we need to do that but again you're throwing this high density in here and granted not as high high as pnd but with no connection that's going to go until it's going to fall on us taxpayers again and I will tell you just like we found out earlier we we heard early today we don't have the infrastructure in place to make these things come in so I don't think's this one's ready yet I think there is um more property that is coming on the market in this area that is um I probably can't speak to it but there's I've heard rumors there's a big pce coming here that's also coming in they they have every right to develop at R3 right they're coming in at R4 so commissioner starky less than R4 um think I I agree you know what some attention needs to be made to these roads to make them safer um and also I I look forward to the day when we fix Hudson Hudson needs to have some pedestrian safety features on it um and um I have said here that I think the bus stops especially when we're out here where there's no lighting and it's dark let's get those solar lights from Metro on here and put them up there they can't be that much and they're solar and I don't want to see kids sitting at a rural road in the dark getting on a school bus um I don't I don't think she we should stop doing connections because the road is substandard I think we should keep the connections and find a way to fix the road because otherwise you're going to create a gridlock traffic nightmare in the county we won't have enough roads to support and that that is like planning 101 is interconnectivity so um I kind of agree with you that's too bad colonies swung to the left but we had that discussion when I think when Fairwinds was coming in frankly I wish we hadn't approved that at 40 we should never approve 40 foot Lots on that thing um this is 60 foot those houses are very nice uh it's that it's I wish we had more developments like that coming in the county frankly um but there is some work that needs to be done here to improve uh safety and I I was trying to find where it says Shady Hills Ranch was that what it's called Shady Ranch I I couldn't find it but is this saon part of Shady ranches my understanding is it's not okay so there may be some deed restrictions on Sunland um and I don't know how that works to change that um so I could not find it listed here as a community I I saw um other

neighborhoods Paradise Acres Florida natur's Park Colony Village you're finding it right there so okay he found it but this is this is not in in that area Madam chair right it's just south of just south of it okay so when we approve the Palm wind one that connection there runs north south all the way from Hudson Avenue to Fairwinds Fairwinds goes out to meow Oaks I see it or comes over to a Col Road fairly well-traveled roads is that this one here this one here you're you're letting a connection come in that doesn't connect to what's supposed to be a vision road to go a little further instead you've got a very dangerous thing very bad way of as far as connectivity goes to make these people go in out and all around and you're going to add more traff I think we need to work on connected I think they should have worked on before they brought it to us there was property to the side of calling Road that's not their responsibility with 60 houses to build a vision room Fairwinds Drive Hudson Avenue they made it work why aren't we making these guys make it work they have we are put all that run together and it's a county standard Road and it's a County Road and it's a county maintained Road your code tells us to connect that's why we've connected so to say that we haven't done something or we did something wrong or we didn't plan something Colony con but but that's not their respon colony should be built all the way 64 homes is not going to build Colony Road but we are we have a large portion of col Road a large RightWay dedication a large obligation of what we're going to build of Colony Road through a configuration that you all approved through your route study when you did Palm wind I mean we we have followed everything here and we''re doing large Lots 7200 foot Lots nice product a good you know we have done our work and we did all of our work this has not just been put together approving this or not approving it I'm asking the county attorney for the rec for what what it is that we have to follow in approving and not approving you have well you've got a piece of property that is that is in your res 3 classification anything up to three units to the acre is deemed consistent with your plan but it doesn't have to be that maximum they are they are at 2.67 according to this graphic um which is which is which is pushing the no I don't think that's no no you're looking on this side that's actually Palm that's actually what Palm yes I'm sorry no exactly 1.8 so so they are about H little over half of what the what they're allowed to build they're they're at half of what they're allowed to build well the maximum density for the parcel not they it's not what they it's not of right none of your comprehensive plan categories are of right but you have a historic um a historic tendency to go to almost the top of the uh of the categories but

that we're not approving that cross-section with the MPD approval and it'll be approved at site plan approval I sent this condition to Barbara and the County engineer I realized she probably hasn't seen it but um I did draft an amendment to condition 23 to address that issue if you were inclined to approve this and I think that's a good compromise we go back to you know a 33t road for now this isn't the 100 foot Boulevard whatever that's right now to be clear the RightWay they're still going to be required to give 124 ft of RightWay okay what I'm saying is that the design of what it goes in that rideway would be deferred to site plan approval and through the County engineer to review that cross-section so you're not approving the cross-section that was shown I agree with earlier that only addresses your concern about bike lanes and multi it does it does a width too I mean it does take the width you can decide on a WID where the road it doesn't change the alignment it does within that boundary right it doesn't change what what right away we're giving right but yes that's true it's just changing what could go in the right away right because you had concerns with the way that was designed so that's what I tried to draft with that condition but that only deals with that one issue I just wanted to make sure that if you approved it you've made that change that's all I'm asking but if from what I was hearing just from the county engineer if we wait a little bit and discuss this Vision Road it might affect that project right you can see that Palm winds is all the way to our property line they has homes there so this alignment was decided when you approved a route study and then you approved palmland there you can see the site plan that's an approved site plan right it's hard for me because homes there are homes there right so that they have the right talk from they have the right to we have a bayt and I'm going to tell you again my I didn't do Pals I mean we this property this is your alignment of Division Road and it's not like we could say oh Palms isn't developed yet let's put it over on palms or on their property the approved Palm winds and this is the alignment Barbara you're your property line is that dark dark black line going north south is that is that big green blob a wetland is that what's going on there I mean can you take Palm wind straight up I mean colonies straight up there's a wetland there but I'm not sure that would solve the yeah the pinch point is that corner this the South that you're talking about but we're giving mean look at our property our right of way our right of way is the southeast corner so that's so where it comes down to property that we don't own and the county doesn't own is our Southeast corner so that's we we we're either approving we're denying or we're continuing that corner is where you have approved palm

palm wind project that we've had to donate extra right away so you could have connectivity between the vision Road and palm wind can you go to Pas m you pull passer so this road okay can you go to Pasco mappa for me up there and then and um this road was this alignment was done in 2002 is that what you're saying could you please go to that corner of Foxfire and colony and show me what it looked like at 2002 say 2003 and maybe that yeah I would I would say it was approved in 2002 and then reinforced in June of 2023 when you when you approved palmland Madam chair yeah I'm I'm going to say this Hudson Avenue is a two-lane road we don't have even sidewalks out there all the way through right we're working on putting those things together though I think Nick has got a plan to do that and we've done some other developments down the road so I don't know why I need a full lane road with all the bells and whistles you got on here when probably a two-lane road would help control the density better I mean all the way down so I mean that redo Colony Road all the way down probably at the intersections you put up uh more turn Lanes whatever but what I would say is that you know that's a solution for today is even if we just uh we reserve the rideway but plan on for now now a two-lane much narrower Road much less affecting um her and then one day maybe she wants to sell um or something things happen and and if it's needed we could widen the road then we don't I'm I am sure that that road is not going to be four lanes anytime in the near future I mean Trinity Boulevard isn't even four lanes yet so Madam chair CIF something and Barbara has said this they are not building the road south of their right their stop their first connection to it so what the county does within that 124 ft of R away south of that and how many lanes we built and what alignment we pick is totally up to us so we're not setting that today the only and they're only building two lanes to their entrance so this approval does not obligate us to build four lanes south of that it doesn't obligate us to build in any particular alignment south of that but it probably does need to connect to existing Colony Road um looking at this map here um what year is this 2001 2001 well this was before the road went on the map can we see it on 2003 or what how you do it four and can we go to 2006 okay can we keep going okay Madam chair if I may yep okay with that one um as you know we're we're getting late in the yes on this particular item and and and I've I've been taking notes here and I I think we've nailed it down to three key three major issues one is the cross-section of the road which I think is a technical issue that Mr Goldstein had mentioned

previously and I think we can work through that and come up with um an alternative um section that would meet um the needs that we've talked about today um and fit that within the RightWay that's number one number two I think though from what I'm hearing on the vision road is the specific alignment that we're looking at and the challenge that we have quite frankly right now is that we are really hyperfocused on this corner piece of property when you look at the hole of Colony Road all the way down to where to protect there is going to have to be a lot of additional property Acquisitions RightWay Acquisitions or any other things like that so I think that this is a good opportunity for us as staff to take a look at that and re-evaluate that Vision Road piece and then thirdly um one of the things I heard particularly from the community was the concerns with cut through traffic on this project and um certainly the project proponent has U met the code requirements but I think it was commissioner Mariano who suggested maybe we have a theck at the end of that one piece and really force all of the traffic just from this particular project to go up to Hudson and in can I suggest that instead of a cc we put an emergency exit and so that one day if when fox fire gets fixed people who are trying to get home here don't have to go all the way up and around if there's a perfectly fine Road oh you're stressing you're stressing areas to the north maybe when you don't need to but wait until Fox fires improved and and I think the point I was going to make is that really would require board action because it's it's a change from the Land Development code I would agree that's why I it's not emergency access only because it is a code requirement it's ultimately your decision yeah you want it to be a full access for the code do you want to emergency access only your decision that's what I told Planning Commission that's why they didn't take any action on it because they were just they're following your code but it's ultimately your decision I I'm good with that nope sorry commissioner Mariana it's your District we've got I'm good to continueing Second how's the if you're going to it you need a date certain don't do it on don't do it on the on how much time we need to relook at this roadway I know so could I ask we're agreable to emergency access I just said that on Foxfire it's your decision and if that's what you want to do what else can my my what and we've agreed to a condition that whether you want us to do a two lane cross-section a four lane cross-section bike Lanes no bike Lanes you can set it what else are you going to do to my project the client needs to move forward we've been working on this for a while with all of you I am comfortable with that and and

so and our our density is lower than Palm wind so you've already set what's compatible we're accommodating your vision Road you've heard that we're GNA give right away and if you don't want all of it you want to use all of it more green space so I just don't know what a continuance and maybe you can tell me what a continuance other than hurting this project and hurting this the the the folks developing this project which by the way you look at everybody looks at their rendering and say this is a quality project these are going to be expensive homes these are not our lower-end product these are expensive homes which will be an actual benefit to property values I know that's always debatable but I I just don't know what other than hurting this project what we would accomplish different my my showing difference to the district commissioner my concern is it necessarily to the density to the alignment of the roadway that's got nothing to do with their project it has well they're building the first leg they're build the first legs coming down between them and the county that's the only place they can go and it's setting precedent of of course the project to the East and when when this gets built it's setting precedent to the South and with the third time we've talked about this today there's a bigger conversation that needs to be had I think between each commissioner and staff unfortunately your project is potentially hemmed up with a a 30-day conversation but for me it's not necessarily about the density it's about the roadway traveling south and showing deference to commissioner who seemingly has some more questions that aren't that aren't answered if he wants to change his motion happy to support which way he wants to go but again with staff I'd like to have out a commission meeting folks with you all about these Vision roads and kind of a better way to go about or at least giving a um you know the public a better idea of what's what's going on because again this is a third time today in the conversation so March 25th is your next meeting and in Newport Richie and you don't have full board and you don't have a full board 9th in Dade City if you're willing to go there or the 22nd in Newport Richie of April what would the applicant prefer March 25th or April 22nd because I have or dat City both of those May kill the project so maybe everybody will be happy about that but that's what I'm hearing whisper my ear that they're getting to the point of their contract that it'll might kill it we I can't tell you how frustrating this is we have done everything right I'm s project with 60 foot Lots way less density than what you did in Palm wind something respectable something good and accommodating your vision road that you

all set and you set it with palm wind in June of 2023 you made the decision where this alignment was going to go you reinforced it to tell these folks and I don't see what that solution is I really you know I'm doing this a long time and I can see like okay in 30 days we're gonna there's not this is the alignment I mean there you and you have a lot of properties on Colony Road but I think what you've been told is what we'll do is work on the WID right so that you'll get all of our right of way and we'll work with you on the width that is the where you can continue to plan as opposed to just saying I don't even know what the conversation is because you have a route study you have Palm wind we're setting the the the width of the right of way if you want us to build a two-lane and then that'll be your pres you've got that ability to do that to tell us what to build within that wide R of way and that's where I would ask you to please move this project along and let that be the discussion because you and you all can talk about that we got time before plans are approved you all can talk talk about that and then the board can give the County engineer instructions saying I want to see this road built in that 124 ft but please don't stop us at this point for your decision on what you want built within 124 feet because we're going to give you the right of way we've done everything right and you all can just talk at your next meeting or the next meeting after that what do you want us to build that 124 feet and you can look at how you want things to be down the line you can give that Direction with the condition that Mr Goldstein has drafted to add to this Madam chair yeah I think we could probably get this road down as low as as we saw earlier today as even as low as 33 ft except for the intersections up there uh right now we're paying Mo in Mobility fee credits or some of the roadway that's in there right now which is not a good economic move because we need all the road built and we're going to have to pay for that connection as well so economically it's not a good move for us I will tell you I was disappointed with staff before with calling the road not connecting up through there the connections that the other development has com from Fairway it makes a good connection where they get two ways to get out to the South this here is one way and people are going to to go travel down Foxfire up and over come back in um it just the road's not set for we need to go look at what we really can do and there's a piece of property on the side of Colony Road if you saws like one Thin little sliver down then another thing over it's unused right now from the development side no East Side on the east side that yeah exactly that's what I'm saying I think there's I think you're going to find opportunity on the east side so let's go take 30 days and see if we can make it happen so I'll move to continue March 25th um I'm going to suggest that you go to date City on April 9th I do not want

to go where the people can't far and we've got residents here too so okay well I'm not here March 25th so that's okay I I don't want to conting at all I'd I'd rather have two weeks to the next dat City but it's your decision but I think anything done weeks yeah it's just a matter of the road um is that is that a park in Palm wind that green space just kind of curious what that is it looks like is a a park and not a um I think I think there's opportunity to swing this road to the to the east I also say you don't have to build that road right now people's lives change things come on the market opportunities happen who was saying chair oh right here just to answer the question the green space in the Palm winds plan would be a neighborhood park okay can we do two weeks I'm fine with that hopefully I can hold my stuff together for a project can you try in two weeks more facts for your offsite condition all you you have two that are okay you guys are okay for two weeks and do you want to close your public hearing Mr Gold see do you want is an option for them Mr Stein Schneider close your public hearing two weeks staff can bring you more facts we can talk more drill down on on how this all fits can I take a motion can I get a motion yeah I would if yeah oh we have one two I mean two weeks part of the reason we're in this trouble frankly is the I don't know if the public were noticed about it but I didn't hear anything about this um until just coming forward I don't know if you guys did public hearings or not but public meetings with the people but it's clearly there's a lot of new stuff that's coming out that um the residents are speaking pretty loud so I I I really want to have it right here where the people can come so you're going to re you're going to redo the public hearing no I think he's saying he I are you gonna are you good well the board can always reopen the public comment I I don't think we should be closing the public hearing because now going to come back with new information I think the people should be able to hear it but you already have closed the public hearing you've allowed applicant rebuttal you can reopen it for the limited purpose of the changes if you wish to i' like that's what I'd like to do um but what I heard you what I heard you saying is you wanted it in Newport Richie yes that's what it should be okay that's a month then or more than a month it's a sounds like it's a month right it's three the date March 25th it's a month I need a motion we have the motion could you just clarified one more motion to continue March 25th when we will reopen the public hearing on the things that change in the project second 130 or soon there after all in favor I reluctantly all right Madam Madam chair Just One Last Question yeah is is the board okay with

the emergency access to fox fire because we need to draft a condition I am it sounds like that's consens okay important something like a t t t yeah it won't be open now okay um okay I got to I have to go to the restroom I can either take a five minute break or we can keep moving and Jack you can run the meeting Let's Take Five let's take five okay [Music]

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let's go we are about to get started I'm missing two Commissioners can someone uh maybe you think they can hear me three let's go oh here's four I need four votes for this one oh you're presenting wow it'll be quick I promise okay we are on oh our live local P40 P4 DAV Goldstein Chief assistant County attorney um I'll be quick with this because I know long we have proof publication of the hearing of this matter today uh in the February 12th 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay times thank you um to be quick this is the same res opt out resolution for live local that we adopted last year the only change really this year is we actually have more of a surplus in the 80 to 120% range um we actually went up 879 units as commissioner waitman probably predicted so we have more of a surplus in that range so we have even more reason to opt out this year um just as a reminder it's a public hearing I do does need to be a roll call vote because it needs to be four votes for this one can I vote first second I'm vo wait you need to take it's public heing you need to take public does anyone want to speak to this really good idea okay seeing none I'll take a motion approval I'll make approval or second okay second all right all in favor I oh roll call well if if there's no absten no Nays and there's five of us do we really just so I can prove that you had I had four votes thank you district one commissioner Oakley I District Two commissioner wer I District Four commissioner Jagger I District Five commissioner Mariano hi District three chairman starky hi okay p41 I think this is kind of uh this is this is not a contentious thing here this is a pass through we approv from publication of the hearing of this matter in the Tampa B times February 9th of this year Amy Ferell budget director with pasco's Office of Management and budget there was a scrier error on the agenda memorandum for this one this is not commission District two and four as the memo states it is actually um commission District Five we are here for um a tax equity and fiscal responsibility act also known as tea um application and public hearing um yeah yes pleas okay so federal tax law allows for the issuance of tax exempt bonds for qualified private activity IRS regulations thank you requires approval from the County Commission as the highest elected governing body with jurisdiction over the area in which the project will occur of finding the project is in the public interest a public hearing to gather input from the public and the approval will allow creation Foundation Inc also known as dpring Academy to borrow at a tax exempt rate Dayspring Academy is seeking to borrow up to $5 million the funds will be issued by the Industrial Development Authority a political subdivision of the

State of Arizona not Pasco County the purpose of the bonds is to finance the acquisition construction expansion remodeling renovation Improvement and equipping of an approximately 26,300 foot Charter School building and ancillary facilities Day Spring Academy is located in Newport Richie and um fund capitalized interest and other costs of issuance so as a reminder Pasco County will have no obligation with respect to these bonds the county is not responsible for paying The Debt Service there is no cost to the county resulting from the approval of this application and Day Spring Academy is not borrowing from Pasco County um it doesn't say which I'm just curious which school but it doesn't specifically say if it's for a specific school or for any of their schools it's the it is the previous Public Health Building that you surplused and sold to them it's for paying for that building and for renovation up on uh little little little okay I don't oh I see it you just didn't read the address okay it's here okay any uh this is a public meeting anybody want to speak to this item anyone online to speak to this no ma'am not to this issue take a motion move approval second all in favor I I thank you you 41 just a moment please I believe that was 41 that was 42 42 I have to flip my page yes we have approved publication of the hearing of this matter in the February 5th 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay times thank you madam chair P item p42 is pd25 cu9 this is a conditional use permit in the name of Joan E Patterson Anthem net Incorporated Verizon Wireless it's for a 155 foot above ground level monopine wireless communication facility and an AG excuse me in an AR agricultural residential district in Southwest Peso County on the east side of the Terminus of Roland Drive approximately 600 ft North of bow Road um before I uh begin the presentation uh there's just two uh updates to the packet that had been submitted to the agenda uh the first is um which both were submitted to the clerk's office um the first is a letter from the Federal Aviation Administration um extending the no Hazard to air navigation uh determination which expired according to uh finding effect number 15 uh B which expired on February 11th 2025 the Federal Aviation Administration issued a letter dated February 13 2025 and noted that uh the extension the expiration uh was extended from February 11 to August 13 2026 so that's the first attachment uh the second attachment is updated a David attesting to providing public notice which was also submitted to the clerks give this to you uh so the proposal is a conditional use uh for a 155 foot above ground level

AGL monopine wireless communication facility uh as I noted in the AR agricultural residential district it has a future land use classification of res 3 dwelling three residential three dwelling units per gross acre um the applicant proposes a 155 ft Wireless communication facility with a 5 foot lightning rod as a monop pine wireless communication facility suitable for the collocation of three additional carriers that will make it four total within a 2,500 foot fenc compound area as a ground equipment enclosure at the bottom it's on the east side of the Terminus as I mentioned of roll and drive approximately 600 ft north of bow Road this is the general location in the coun in the South market area uh south of State 54 um we go again so State roll 54 is now you can see it in the upper right corner of the exhibit there and pink is the subject property here it is showing it with the future L use map um right off of Geneva Lake there um this is the areial of the property in question so it's heavily wooded uh land surrounded by uh ex existing development in terms of neighborhood residential neighborhoods to the north west and south here is an exhibit in illustrating the 1,000 F foot buffer around the property and the notice um one thing to note in this aerial image uh at the intersection of State R 54 and aoria Boulevard where um Black Lake Road if I could Point use the pointer it will hopefully not change on me y Chang um you'll notice the shadow of a wireless communication facility on the aerial that is not there today so you there used to be a cell tower right on straight Road 54 there's not one there today it was uh removed uh this is the site plan which illustrates the location of the ground equipment enclosure 2500 foot compound that would basically host the ground Equipment Plus the tower itself along with the AIS route uh to the ground equipment enclosure here's the ground equipment enclosure uh up close in terms of the what kind of equipment is going to be within the compound and the location of the tower itself and of course the image of the tower the 155 ft monopine uh which essentially is a monop dressed as a as a tree and the four collocation stations on the on the uh facility uh this is the photo simulations for wireless communication views so this is the map key as we'll walk through some of the images so here's uh looking South uh from the north so as you I suppose peer across state row 54 without the wireless communication facility on the left and then with the wireless communication facility on the right so this essentially is kind of the view from Asteria looking itself uh this is looking West on State 54 um with without the wireless

communication on the left with on the right this is looking from ballow Road uh without the wireless communication facility on the left with the wireless communication facility on the right you can bar you can see it just over the the trees there uh this is looking from Roland Drive so this is without the facility on the left and then with the facility on the right there you can see it a bit more clearly in terms of the uh appearance of the of the Mano Pine and the Planning Development and economic growth Department recommends makes the recommendation of approval with conditions the Planning Commission recommendation uh at the November 16 2023 Planning Commission meeting a motion to approve staff's recommendation with a modification to the wireless communication facilities design designed as a monopole instead of a monopine resulted in a tii vote with two eyes and two n and the school board broke the tie voting to deny the motion resulting in recommendation of denial from the Planning Commission uh um in the event that the board of County Commissioners agrees with a Planning Commission recommendation of a denial the denial order resolution will be prepared by Planning Development economic growth and the county attorney's office and present it to the chair for Signature at the next regularly uh scheduled meeting of the board of County Commissioners uh our Consultants have reviewed this and upon review the application um they recommend approval of the conditional use application thus the Planning Development economic growth recommendation if there are any questions I can try to answer Madam chair yes just a technical question is in the procedures we have the school board members participate to deal with Schoolboard issues in that on loan I thought yeah why would we they vote on that they break ties they do break TI okay that's that's the only reason that that's okay no problem thank you chairman yes they break ties but they have been um voicing their opinions before the vote and then voting a lot of times they only can vote on on issues that they vote on residential residential density issues I used to sit in that um the LPA is is their role on that on that board David sits with the Planning Commission let so they do vote on any density increases that involve residential they also vote on anything related to school sites or or or access to school sites and then they also break ties the reason we have them break ties is because when we reformulated the Planning Commission we only have six members so we had to have a mechanism to break ties in the event there was a tie yeah okay okay um do you want to hear from the applicant if you don't have any you need to hear from the applicant on these I'm just saying if you if you're ready if you don't have no more

questions for okay um just so you know um we had a a Sal tower hearing let was it last year if you recall in starky ranch um um uh David and I were on a a zoom call with the applicant and um that cell tower has not been built but the applicant or the user on this tower has said that um that's further than a 2 mile radius anyway so it doesn't doesn't affect this Tower this Tower is still needed even though we have approval on that okay um I guess it's good evening now Mary solic 121 South Orange Avenue sweet 1500 Orlando Florida I'm legal counsel for Anthem net I have with me here today Tracy Moore who is the project manager for Anthem net um David Smith who is the RF engineer with Verizon Wireless and Curtis oo chov is online he is our project engineer and I have Richard drers with calhon draggers Associates you've had a long afternoon your staff has done a very thorough valuation of this application we meet all of the code requirements I know there are people here to speak on it I might suggest that you ask me any questions you have now and then maybe I'll let you I'll come back up and address citizen comments does that does that work for you do you have any comments or questions for me or any members of our team first yeah go ahead commiss pleas okay um I notic there was a cell tower in this area before did I see that before it's gone it's gone it was up on there was one there right there was one up on 54 it was a Sprint next hell Tower Verizon was not on it it's G it's been decommissioned a different Tower company no but still the the cell tower is not there anymore it was taken out thinking I understood to took it out but I was wondering why they didn't because if there's a need here in this area for cell tower why wouldn't they have put one back there I it was a Sprint next T Tower and I think there was probably a combination of the lease expiring and then Sprint Nextel in a fairly Nationwide program of decommissioning towers due to the mergers okay all right and we require when a cell tower is not being used anymore it has to come down okay which I want to talk to someone about one that needs to be topped off that's too high um okay and I did ask the applicant um it doesn't matter to them if it's a pine or a pole correct is that right correct there was some debate about that at the Planning Commission yeah um and then again the Planning Commission only made one motion and that was to approve it as a monopole and not a monopine yeah they never took up the issue of the monopine itself so we don't care either way okay um let's take public comment because I think we have some people here for this we do Elizabeth Kelly um listen it's late so if you want to speak on this and you're signed up please line up right here and you'll each get your three minutes thank you for letting me speak my name is Elizabeth Kelly and I live at 1628 abys Drive Odessa Florida I was previously sworn

in um during the Planning Commission meeting uh the applicant put up a map with a big red circle and tried to convince us that it was necessary for them to put a cell phone tower in the circle basically they want it along State Road 54 between gun Highway and the Sun Coast uh I want to point out something that was not really mentioned is that luckily there's a major highway running through this area most of the properties on both the North and the South side of the highway are undeveloped which means that they could be available for the right price and that's what this comes down to uh we have two huge companies a million and a billion dollar company who are trying to get a good deal in order to get here they went into the residential neighborhoods sitting behind the highway and found the one single person who was willing to allow this on her property but nobody else in the community wants this there are no neighbors here in support of the applicant there was nobody at the planning meeting in support either now it's up to you but there's good news there is a way to make this work a compromise to appease the good people of Pasco County and still allow the big companies to build their Communications Tower in the red circle very simple deny this project and advise these huge companies to procure land along the highway like where it used to be they have the ability and the bank accounts to negotiate purchases or leases of land directly on 54 please do not allow them to disrupt our homes by unnecessarily selling our neighborhoods when there are multiple other places that they can build bu to achieve their goal they may claim that nobody else wanted to make a deal with them but that just means they weren't offering enough money if they want to be in this area of Pasco County they should have to pay the cost to build along the highway this is the ethically right decision that being said if you have already decided that a cell phone tower belongs in this neighborhood then at a minimum I request the cell phone tower be built as a decorative Bell Tower The applicant's Proposal of building a monopine tower is clear a clear indication that a regular Tower would be undesirable for everyone including them because of its look and as we heard ample evidence at the Planning Commission meeting the Plastics in the monopine would lead to pollution of the lakes and the wellwater that the people in this area drink a bell tower construction would not be a complete eyesore and it would eliminate the threat of pollution this was mentioned at the planning meeting as well but the applicants legal council said that they did not want to build a bell tower because no surprise here of the cost thank you thank you next Heather crella Heather crella 1718 Lake Polo drive and I'm not sure if there's anyone representing are you in are you in Pasco County or another count we're in Pasco County Pasco County okay um from the patteron family but I know that they'

suffered a loss so I'm sorry for that um uh Commissioners I'm addressing you as a Pasco resident on behalf of my family greyhawk at Lake Polo which is an established neighborhood of over 20 years to the east of the proposed location which encompasses nearly 240 homes and the surrounding Community um many of which have been there far longer than 20 years I'm asking you deny to deny Anthem Net's conditional approval and require them to find an appropriately zoned location for the proposed hour please don't encroach on this land while I understand that it's outside of your scope to determine whether these towers present health risks or side effects I don't think that should invalidate my concern but what I can ask you is to consider the financial implications on our property be uh to lose value in such close range to the proposed Tower uh in 2022 my family began a real estate search in the area while I understand appraiser may not tell you that your home will appraise lower dur during to proximity I know from experience that you lose out in potential buyers while navigating our home search there were several houses that we never walked into because of location of similar Towers there's a stigma Associated and unfortunately you can't persuade me to believe that there will not be a monetary sacrifice to our property values um home B buyers don't seek out these as part of their curb appeal while it can rationalize with the desire for growth and development in the area the plan should coincide with current restrictions and require Anthem net which is a billion doll business to dig into their pockets and seek out a commercial land lease that's fitting his own criteria and build things on that land in my opinion um I did was able to sorry for my nervous energy also but um I was able to we did a a posts before the passing of Miss Patterson and that petition gained about 181 signatures we found out about this meeting last week so we kind of scrambled to get some uh support but we were able to gain 81 signatures from the neighborhood I think there was a bit of confusion people that signed last time thinking that maybe that was going to work I don't know with um restrictions of um statute of limitations I don't know if exists with petitions but so we went ahead and and gained more of those so thank you for your time been a long day did you want to turn in the petition sure yeah okay take a motion move receiving file second all in favor I first next please Lindsay Deano oh they're coming up in order of what they signed how' they know that sorry I'm nervous my name is Lindsay Deano we live at 1 1527 wind Whisper Drive um in the greyhawk Community I have been sworn in um I would like to start by saying I'm a licensed physician assistant and a mom to two young boys ages two and four and my husband and I own a small business in Pasco County we recently sold our home and we were looking for a new home and we stumbled across this house in greyhawk in November and we fell in love with the

layout in the community so we decided to purchase this house um we had we known that the cell tower was possibly going to be built on this plot of land that is very close to the house we would not have purchased the house um upon further research it is suggested that these towers be built um a third about a third of a mile from houses and our house which is in the middle of greyhawk is only going to be 0.4 miles from this Tower the houses that are on the outskirts of greyhawk are going to be much closer um additionally there's a lot of houses down the side streets that are not part of greyhawk but they are going to be right behind um the cell tower um I don't feel comfortable living in this house with that cell tower being so closed especially raising our boys there because children are V vulnerable to EMF exposure due to the more sensitive brain tissue and organs um so that would actually be a deal breaker for us and we would consider selling our house and moving um to the point where uh my husband and I actually have EMF blockers on our cell phones and all of our Wi-Fi routers at home because we take it very seriously ly um I'm also worried about what the cell tower will do with our property values because we feel like we did purchase this house at a high price and we feel like it'll decrease the value um additionally RFK Jr is now Secretary of HHS and part of his plan is to look into EMF exposure and radiation exposure and the current FCC guidelines were completed in 1996 and we do know that technology is now different than it was in 1996 and all of those guidelines need to be updated but with that update it's going to open up everyone's eyes um especially people who aren't aware of EMF exposure and what they could do to you so that will further drive down the price of our house um my question is why there's a need for a tower in this specific location especially on a piece of land that's zoned for residential and agriculture use um I I did go for a walk in the community on Sunday and I was listening to Pandora the whole walk and I was able to get reception the entire time I also took screenshots throughout different points of my walk showing that I have adequate cell activity in this community um and then there's also a big cell tower on 54 and gun Highway that's very close so my question is why can't antenna be added to that location if there's a need for Sal service in our area um and I would just love for you guys to um please take into consideration our home values our health and well-being of the community and please consider looking for another location for the Sal thank you Michael is it Dario Deo de Mayo y Mike Deo 14621 blue stone lane in Odessa I'm here to discuss the proposal to put a cell tower in the middle of our neighborhood this motion was previously denied by a 3 to2 vote by the Planning Commission um both votes to approve the

motion approved to say yes however they were not happy in doing so which they stated during the meeting although I'm concerned about the health effects of living under a cell tower I do understand that you can't consider those factors during this hearing today uh 100 a 115t monopine tower has up to 10,000 pounds of fake pine needles and branches made of fiberglass and plastic this is a 155t tower so let's just say the number is closer to 15,000 lbs that's almost 8 tons of fiberglass and plastic hanging from a pole fiber glass dries out it gets brittle it breaks into tiny pieces the blazing hot Florida Sun the summer storms the Hurricanes all those factors are going to accelerate that deterioration process the location of this Tower though technically not placed in the Wetland does Tower over top of the Wetland it's 155 ft High the fake pine needles the branches they're going to deteriorate and shed so much debris into the ecosystem and our waterways below we live in a very delicate Lake system in a rural neighborhood we're all on well water and there's a huge concern about the microplastics that these pieces are going to leech into the soil we cannot have microplastics leeching into the soil and affecting our drinking water we're on well water we don't have City Water the drainage in the area is very poor we have a very high water table due to all the lakes in the area and it does not drain well there's no County sewer system even the steady rain yesterday completely flooded the road the road that uh accesses where the tower is located is unpaved and frankly it's an atrocious Condition it's not maintained by the county it's littered with large potholes and huge swailes that you have to drive around I thought I was going to break an axle driving over here today there's no access to this location from State Road 54 the only access to the site is winding back through the neighborhoods there's no fire hydrants even the post office got rid of our individual mailboxes a couple Solutions I hope you'll recommend number one change the location of the tower it doesn't need to be installed in the middle of a residential neighborhood there are houses right next to the proposed location these people are going to be living under a cell tower number two change the type of a tower from a monopine tower to the galvanized metal Tower uh something that won't shed Plastics into the environment below and third if you're going to allow this Pro proposal to continue please require an ironclad maintenance plan to clean up after it we're fine with Innovation and progress in the area but your job as Commissioners to make sure it's done responsibly and to protect its residents I ask you that you please consider alternatives to this proposal and I'll leave you with a direct quote from Mr Charles Gray during the Planning Commission meeting in November of 23 he said quote I don't like it when a company comes and says that well we

don't want to do that because it's going to cost more money how it affects the neighbors is more important to me than whether it's going to cost more money or not if it's going to cost more money then let's find a different location thanks F okay next we have two others signed up but they're online and in addition to those standing all right well let's take these three and then we'll go to the ones online okay come on up is there uh one second is there anyone else wishing to speak here today no you guys are okay you're in line okay we're going to close the public comment after the gentleman with the hat and the two that are online thank you my name is Darlene I live at 14620 your last name Darlene oh Darlene Moore I live at 14620 blue stone lane I know you don't want to hear about the health will you were you did you s yes I was here when I okay and you can back off the mic it'll pick you up not that yeah that's fine I know you don't want to hear about the health effects um of the headaches that can come from it and the memory lapses and the um how it affects cardiovascular patients and things like that um but there's a reason why they cell towers should be so many feet away from schools and I think it's the same it should be the same for residential areas because these children that are in schools are spending more time at home home sleeping there and being constantly exposed to the radiation and this Tower cell tower is going into a residential area and cell towers should not be built in residential areas they should be in commercial or industrial areas where people are only there for a short period of time not there constantly besides the children there's people that are retired and are in their homes all day all night so um but I know you don't that's probably not the point since you don't care about the health but I was not even informed about this meeting until I went for a walk and I saw this sign face down on the ground on the corner of bow about this meeting I also didn't know about the partition or the petition and I'm sure there's a lot of other people who are opposed to this that did were not informed and did not know about it I think you should take that into consideration too your name and address for the record please uh Christopher KR c o t r o n eii I live at 15241 wind Whisper Drive in h greyhawk at Lake Polo you've been sworn I'm sorry I was sworn in earlier thank you and uh many of the remarks I was going to make have already been made by people that spoke prior to um my arrival here at the podium uh I was most impressed by the photos that were presented by the petitioner uh because it didn't show where this Tower is going because there are 226 homes in greyhawk I'm told

approximately 2third of them homes along azra Drive Abyss Drive Man of War uh every time somebody pulls into their driveway they're going to see that Tower are looming over their homes and over their backyards you won't be able to go in your pool without seeing that Tower none of that was shown in the presentation made by the petitioner and I ask you to take that into consideration because they made it look like it was in a rural area where no one's around and the woman who owned the land is now deceased and I don't know that the property has been sold or not and but it should be amended for the record that it's the estate of uh Joan Patterson uh furthermore uh it is unsightly uh I'm a recent arrival in Pasco County as a resident but I've been visiting the area for 40 years and finally got to retire but this is not what I want to look at in my in my front front of my home when I step out the front door and that's what we're facing uh I'll let you go home thank you ask you to decline this thank you and we have our last speaker in the room and then we will go to online your name and address for the record Sir Walter Shar 1829 1833 Rolland Drive I am the one that's going to live on across the street from this morning sir did you take an oath when you earlier in the meeting did you swear to that yeah okay that's fine please proceed I've lived there for 55 years I've raised my kids there I grew up there um why they want to put a tower back and this we consider this a little slice I have and what's left you everybody knows what's going on on 54 put the to up off 54 where the other one was why do we have to I'm retiring now now I got to sit on my porch and look at a freaking ugly ass Tower it's it's crazy and like the lady said before there's only access there's only one way in that's not like you can come in from 54 there only one way in there that we're on I have 390 feet on a private road that go that they're going down to go to this I'm not going to allow it it's a private road it's private property it shouldn't be allowed I I don't know what else to say I did want to mention too that Joanie has passed away a year ago she is not around anymore her kids are there scrambling they don't know what to do they're all looking for the easy money that 10 grand a year you get for putting the cell tower on your property I have not I grew up with Joanie Joanie was a good person but her kids don't know what's going on they're all fighting they're all scrambling they don't know what to do so I'm just here to v no I don't want it I grew up there I don't want to look at it and I don't want my kids to look at it nor my grandkids you know I just I've spent my whole life in Pasco County right there and now they're going to do this right in front of my you know it's crazy I was I lived in Odessa when

Odessa was nothing but dairies and Mitchell Ranch and sty Ranch my mom took care of the sty kids you know I've been around this area and it shouldn't be I just that's all I want to say thank you thank you very much and we have two folks online can we go to them U the first one is Nick zumas good evening Commissioners Nick juma's here I've been sworn okay there we go okay am I coming in clear yep you are now 1831 Dennis and rad Odo I believe the Planning Commission was correct to recommend denial this project Nick have you been sworn in I have okay thank you thank you I put a message in the chat of WebEx thank you we can't we can no worries um I think the biggest problem here uh well not the biggest problem but the sign being down in the road doesn't vote well for the applicant the first time this project came up the sign was down in the road as well don't want to make any accusations that are false but I believe that it was the applicant themselves or the property owners that took the sign down I've had to secure twice to a stop sign with zip ties I just I I I don't appreciate the appearance of any impropriety there when we're supposed to be having a public open process you know for somebody to be messing the sun nevertheless um it shouldn't be a PVC Towers other people have mentioned you know that's going to be a problem with pollution in the lake system this is a protected Wetland make them put up a regular Tower they don't want to put up a regular Tower then too bad um you know I think that this is an issue of carrier prioritization the need for more Towers AT&T prioritizes their customer service very well across the network they have multiple different levels of service for their customers Verizon and you can Google this Verizon is the worst when it comes to customer prioritization they don't have enough tearing uh they need to do a better job at it you know we're we're we're looking down the face of 5G towers and those things are going to be everywhere every few hundred feet where does it stop at what point do we say no you know this neighborhood has Fiverr hardwired connections are great I'm talking to you over Fiverr right now Self Service in the neighborhood's decent I understand the need for future expansion but at some point this technology too will be obsolete look at what they're doing with satellites um somebody mentioned the family and I spoke to one of the family members this morning and they are in disarray and a lot of them that have to sign off on this Tower don't want this Tower but what I'm told is that the cell phone tower company now is jamming it down their throats because they're in a contractual they're locked up contractually so they have to take the Tower or risk being sued for performance so I can tell you that this property is supposed to be sold I don't

know when it's supposed to hit the market somebody's living there that's not supposed to be living there um but it will be sold and uh not only does the neighborhood not want it a lot of the family members involved don't even want it um so I I appreciate y'all's fortitude in this process it's been a very long day for you um these are necessary conversations that we're having so I I I tip my hat to you and I give all of you on this board credit for doing what you do and having these necessary conversations and I would recommend denial of this project uh thank you very much thank you Curtis aroba we have another one okay he's with them oh he is with the applicant okay okay to the applicant and then to the board okay I need to have some of the documents can I have the um photo Sim first please okay while he's loading that up your code allows towers as either permitted or conditional uses in in every single zoning category in your county there is no per se incompatibility of cell towers with Residential Properties in the county that under your code we're allowed to do that we have performance criteria that we have to meet and we've met every single one of them but we can't just put them in in Industrial and Commercial areas because that's not where the people are and that's not where the demand is and that's not where the need is for them so now I'm going to show you we added a few um shots to our photo Sim you have one in your package that has four views this is the same the first four views on this one are the same four in your package but we added four more views you had a number of people come talk to you from the neighborhood to the southeast the greyhawk neighborhood and let me get some of my fellow Commissioners may not know where greyhawk is if you want to ident where that is sure um is this a pointer or is this the top button is the pointer okay so um let me go back um this that's greyhawk that's greyhawk this is ballow road so we add we added a couple photo Sim locations and I'm going to point out this one was the photo four we added the one to the east which is location number six well that I think okay that's State roow 54 so here we go which no I'm talking about the one on ballow road number six view number six so we we added this location down on Bor Road directly north of azra Drive the tower is not visible none of those Neighbors in that neighborhood to the South will have any visibility of this Tower and we specifically added that view now it's a gated community we couldn't get in there to get something more internal but we're just north of let me go back to the map and show you again where that view is taken it's a right that are you saying that is the view from that's the view from B Road that's just north of this

neighborhood and there's that this is azra that Tracy maybe you need to come help me with this I'm very bad yeah so now the pointer so that view is the one I just showed you there's no the tower is back here there's no view from here if there's no view from here there's no view from here and we couldn't get in there but we took this shot right on the on we went further east on ballow road and Mr um zumas that just spoke lives pretty close to that neighborhood too he lives on Dennison and he's he's about where we that photo was taken about where Dennison intersects with bow wrote he won't have any visibility of this Tower either and really the only impact of a tower is it is its view the aesthetic impact is the only impact it has I've we've sat here all afternoon and listened to roads and traffic we don't generate any of that the only impact is visibility so um I'm going to go back we added a few more shots in the photo Sim they're all locations yes go back to the PCT go back to the picture you you had that you were just referencing the the this one the your head right in the middle of a tree that one yeah you can't see it when you put a big block of wood right in front of something yeah you're not going to see it that's a terrible picture well I can have Curtis oo I'm just telling it's a terrible picture you you will not see this Tower given the wetlands that are on the Patterson track and the Wetland track that is directly to the east they will not see it um the rest of the photo Sim there are three added three more shots that we just went in a greater um uh ring around the original locations I'm going to go back and point them out and there was no visibility from any of these additional location so we added um five six seven and eight so we added from here we added here we added it went this one there we and I can go through them um did you show us five yeah I I'll go to five five is from State Road 54 looking no no it's it's no five five is from Geneva Drive looking Southeast you can't see it go back one slide this is the only slide we have that you can see it and this is taken from Roland and on the other side of Roland there about eight residents that are probably here today or that have spoken that complained to you before uh there's not eight six five or six from that side most of them are up on um uh Keystone blue Key Blue Stone Road Mr Schubert let's let's put this one up can you have you have an overhead Mr Schubert is the closest speaker he lives on R Roland or ball he lives on the corner of blue stone and Roland okay and let's get this map up um Mr zumas lives on Dennison I I have the distance to his house too soon as we get this map up I can show you okay there it is that last the one you had okay oh

it's upside down there there we go okay here's our Tower site right here this is Mr zumas over on the on Dennis is that to the right and what does that say I can't read it 16 1360 and then this is Mr Schubert's house his house is on the corner here it's it's located on an angle and it orients it orients this way the tower is back up behind him and that distance is I can't read it from here 84 he's 845 ft away so the he's the he's the closest objector none of the people that lives directly south here of the Patterson property have complained they didn't come to the community meeting they didn't come to the Planning Commission they aren't here today we haven't heard from them and they they are the people that are are the closest they within the notice they would have gotten mailed notice they the people that signed the paper no those that's people in the neighborhood down here this this new neighborhood down here this isn't this is all an older a very it's very remote it's a little it's a neighborhood that's kind of just tucked back in there you wouldn't know it's there from 54 okay um Mr Schubert said that these are private roads this is all public P County right away I'm not p I'm sorry it's Pasco County right away there is some of it that is maintained by the county and some of it that's privately maintained and this is a map I got from your public works department so Mr Schubert doesn't have the ability H do you need think to turn that around he doesn't have the ability to block access these privately maintained is different than privately owned so um the greenen right here nope the green right here is where the County maintenance stops and the Patterson property is up here it doesn't show on this map and what's outlined in red is privately maintained okay let's get the RF engineer up here to talk about um can you load the the Verizon package please and um Mr Smith's going to come up and talk about why we need this Tower who gets served by it and um why and address the tower that's up at 54 and gun okay David you want to go through your your before and afters not really okay oh say your name and add yeah uh David Smith verzen 7701 East Telcom Parkway Temple Terrace Florida um that was the end of their time so if board wants to extend time you need to do it by motion well yeah move to extend okay you want to give them five five more minutes commissioner is that sure second all in favor I okay you gotta go quick because Mr Greer still has to come up here okay real quick um we go through just go yeah the before and after so this is a

current map of our our existing sites we have four existing sites that are around this facility so you can see a in the top left um you got um B uh site over there just east of the uh Expressway over there and we got a couple on the South Side there the yellow dot is what the proposed location that that we're here for today so what you see here is a current coverage map of AWS um for what we have right here so you can see green is the good reliable coverage for in building and you can see how it's surrounding the four existing sites that we have and the yellow dot again is the uh aerior site that is uh that um that we're here for today so with the propagation with our current design you can see how the coverage comes in uh around the yellow dot that's the proposed site so if um if we built the site today this is what would cover and fill in so the purpose of this site is twofold is to increase the uh the uh coverage even though we do have coverage there the quality of service we increased that for home internet and things of that uh nature and also the site to the West uh by gun and 54 um that one right there in front of Lowe's and the site to the east of of the express right there that flag pole uh both of those have high congestion so this one's going to offload both of those sites and fix both of our problems right there with this one at the same time increasing our coverage and our ability to to improve quality of service for our home internet as well so I know we're under a time crunch so any any questions any guys jack any questions nope okay okay next coming out I address the comment about that Mr Gray made about cost um we made a decision with the landowner Miss Patterson to do a monopine we thought we were doing the respectful thing and using a mitigated style of tower in the for this community the the M the pine tree Tower is much more expensive to build than a monopole we went the expensive route first to be ex to be respectful to the community okay Rick qualifications quick and proper yes good afternoon Commissioners Richard dregers I've been sworn 728 West M Street Orlando Florida I am the owner of Calhoun dregers and Associates we're a full service real estate appraisal firm I'm a ferally certified appraiser um the highest level of licenses that the federal government and the State of Florida recognized for federally certified appraisers in the United States um I was asked to look at the possible impact to the value of any single family homes but might be adjacent to a tower similar to this there have been some studies over the years there was one in New Zealand there was one actually in Orlando over my part of the world where a an appraiser looked at the big lattice Towers like you might see on a big high voltage transmission line or a radio tower with all the guy wires coming down and so there have been a couple studies that would suggest those types of towers would have a negative impact but I was focused on in my study which I have copy here uh looked at the type of tower either

monopole or one with a flag on it or one with um the pine monop pine that they' call so I have three different types of studies here one in Odessa one in Lander Lakes uh all in this general area and just real quickly based on my analysis of looking at the sale prices of homes that were near or had a view of a tower versus a similar home that did not have a a view or wasn't as quite as close to a tower similar to the one proposed here I wasn't able to see uh any impact or reduction in value I also heard someone mentioned what was a fair point that sometimes the marketing time might be extended because some people won't consider a home I wasn't able to see that even when I talked to local Brokers and real estate agents motion second all in favor I any questions from Mr draggers no and we this is not our first cell tower hearing so okay we have heard that from many different real estate professionals um and you are so we typically we have a cell toown ordinance that allows for staff to approve towers without going through these public hearings but you're having to come to us because of the height of the tower because it's a residential feature land use okay and what about the height no not because of the height because it's a residential future land use okay um which which Tower you can see it right here in this map but um board members any questions any thoughts we done presentation yeah oh did you want to add anything I just wanted to real quickly you have language in your code about aesthetic impact and you your code says being able to see it does not necessarily equate to adverse visual impact you have a whole list of factors that you're supposed to consider yeah on that and um I guess I'm not going to have time to go through them all but that Tower is visible from one view you have to consider all the views it's not lighted we've used a mitigated design um we there if you go through all those factors they're no no no no no we don't meet any of the factors for establishing an aesthetic impact on a tower and I want to be respectful of your time but that's if you go through them we don't meet them I mean this doesn't meet those negative factors okay thank you any questions for me no thank you and the um the park Tower is further to the left it's off the screen when that comes in correct it's not even in it's not even yeah it's further west yeah and I based on the discussion we had I don't think it's going to help with service in this no area bypassing the this really ugly Tower at gun and 54 which should have come down down but that's a story for another day um I I'm I'm not I'm not going to hide the fact that I wish this was up on the 54 not in a residential neighborhood it is tucked in the woods um uh there's no there's no I don't know it's a toughy for me um no one's ever happy when a cell tower

there's no great location for a cell tower it's too bad they aren't there before people move in Madam chairman are you in board deliberation yes you can sit down okay I was just going to answer the question about the commercial property at 54 that denied us so you tried on 54 we tried we tried yes there's one commercial property owner right at the center of our search area and they said no it wasn't a matter of money we found the only piece and we found a 20 acre piece that allows the size of the parcel and the existing tree cover to absorb the impact of the tower on site we think we found the best piece in our search area well someone's always affected when we put one of these so they're not they're not my favorite hearings at all I can tell you that I it's I understand my least favorite does anyone else have any thoughts no j cell tower votes are always always tough and site C at the bottom looks like there's one in a similar kind of area can't zoom in my iPad's acting funky um yeah it's residential I mean it's it's it's very similar it's the way that we communicate in this world and we might be using these today in 10 15 15 years down the road we might not need cell towers and they come down and you know we all have Bluetooth in our trucks in our houses in our schools most cell tower sites are on school sites um and there's no no easy easy way around it it'd be nice if cell tower companies whatever the rules are could predestin where these things go uh versus waiting till people and they move in and buy a home and neighborhoods are built and then they say oh we need to put a cell tower here it's not not very proactive and um so I would be I've I've supported every cell tower location good bad or ugly that that's come before the board um and I'd be very hypocritical if I didn't say that it's an unfortunate need and I'll be consistent with how I've voted since coming on the board and cell towers and it upsets a lot of folks but people get mad and they call when they can't get internet and phone signal at their house too It's just tough uh monopine monopole um hearing listening to folks and if there has to be one I I'm hearing a a monop pole if there has to be one I know I would not want to live in these neighborhoods and look at that cell tower I I feel like there has to be enough another piece of property somewhere that they can put that M sure I'd agree with that too Mr motion yeah well I can't sure you can't CH on um looking at the one down south that is in a residential area off Al loots Lake Fern so I'm looking at it here it's north of of loot Lake for in a residential area Madam chair yeah um just to be

clear if you're going to approve a monopole design if you if you approve this I don't think that works with the existing conditions of approval he probably would have to continue it because for example condition two requires them to build an accordance with the elevations that are attached we don't have any elevations for a monole design and I guess let the applicant unless the applicant has some monopole elevations they brought with them there's no elevations for you to prove under a monopole design but we know what a monopole design is I understand that but we the reason we include these elevations as a standard condition because it's showing the maximum height it's showing other attributes of this pole that they're restricted to so we don't have anything to attach to conditions showing a model pull design unless the applicant happens to have one in their back pocket Madam chair yes let me let me make this easy I move to deny move to deny I'll second that I'll second I don't I don't I think it's a move Point um motion well okay all in favor I I I'll oppose Nay Nay n 32 so it dies okay all right we're done uh we're not well we're not no clapping from there um we're not done we had another our item but we are going to move that to the next meeting in dat City all right is there anything else to come before the board no he seconded the no had two n the motion was to deny and I voted with his motion we both said at the same time no problem yep am I have I signed everything yes ma'am I okay so I think we are done long one today wow [Music]

CLE into our lakes and rivers creating an unhealthy environment for fish water foul storm drains are meant for clean rainwater most other discharges are illegal if you suspect an illicit discharge please contact Pasco County Department of Public Works at 72783 3611 hi I'm anley with Pasco County pavement management people always ask why can't you pave roads faster well the process isn't as simple as it seems we use two methods which you can see here they're called milling and Paving and full depth Reclamation and soil cement what does that mean exactly let's break them [Music] down 90% of our Paving projects are done through milling and Paving which takes about 2 weeks depending on weather and the length of the road we start by grinding and removing 2 to 3 Ines off the road then we sweep the road to remove fines fines are small particles of asphalt or lime rock next we spray Tac which is a mixture of oil and water onto the road's surface to make sure that the asphalt bonds to the road surface then we apply a layer or two of asphalt ever notice steam r in from the asphalt that's because it's trucked to the work site at a whopping 325° or hotter next we drive a steamroller over the asphalt to make sure the surface is flat and smooth and that's it now let's look at the second pavement process Pasco uses which usually takes a bit longer our geotechnician team drills into the roadway at the job site and takes samples to a lab to help us determine what mix to use then we create a mix to use on the road from materials we Salvage from the pre-existing Road a machine grinds 10 in into the road base feeding all that material into a giant mixing machine where it mixes with other ingredients before being spread onto the road the surface has to be set for a few days and then our team returns to the site to test the road's strength if it gets two thumbs up we grind 2 in off the base sweep the fines and add the tack and lay the asphalt so those are the two ways Pasco Works to make your commute