2.11.25 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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Mission meeting of February 11th please silence electronic electronic devices and mutr phones uh for the public hearings first we have item p31 as a proposed ordinance and we have a continuance requested s we have proov of publication of the hearing of this item in the January 15 22nd 29th and February 5th 2025 editions of the ampa Bay times thank you thank you Mr chairman nario PTO Planning Development economic growth item p31 is pte 2577 this is an or ordinance establishing the KD 52 Community Development District number one however this is recommended to be a continuance uh to the February 25 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting in new Richie at 1:30 p.m. we have a motion move can you second all in favor say I I I many opposed motion passes p32 do we have proof have publication temp B times January 15th 22nd 29th and February 5th 2025 thank you Terry item p32 is PD 2581 this is an ordinance established in KD 52 Community Development District number two pursuing to chapter 190 of FL of statutes however this is uh requested for a Contin to the February 25 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting in Newport Richie at 1:30 p.m. move continu second all in favor say I I any opposed okay and now we'll proceed with the public hearings will the County Attorney please read the procedures for resoning be happy to Mr chairman there are two resoning agendas regular in consent the staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given three minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the resoning May at this time request that a petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for this board to take action please please limit your comments to those criteria for resoning found within the board's Land Development code Mr clerk would you like to swear folks in who would like to testify yes sir if

anyone is present that wishes to speak to these uh resoning items either for or against if you please stand at this time again if it is your intention to speak for or against any resoning item to be heard please stand raise your right hand do you and each of you swear confirm the testimony you will given in these matters is the truth so have you got thank you when you come to the podium please give your name and address and acknowledge that you were sworn thank you today we have two public hearings on the consent agenda and for the continuances we'll start with p33 continuance we proof yes we have proof of publication and the August 21st 2024 and October 27th 2024 editions of the Tampa debate times for the October 8th meeting which was cancelled due to Hurricane buildon the item did not appear on the October 22nd meeting but appeared on the November 12th meeting of the board of County Commissioners where it was continued to today item p33 is PD 27738 this is a zoning amendment in the name of Evans county line 80 mpud master plan unit development by Evans Properties Incorporated this is requested for a continuance to the March 11 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting here in D City at 1:30 p.m. may have a motion to continue p33 I second move second uh all in favor say I I any opposed next p p34 m Mr clerk we approve we approved publication of the hearing of this matter in the January 1st 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times item p34 is PD 27834 this is a zoning Amendment to the name of harvest Hills West vop mpud by gelvin Land Services this is requested for a continuance to the March 11 2025 border of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. here in D City may have a motion to continue p34 so move second all in favor say I I any oppos item P35 we have approved we have approved for publication again January 1st 2025 edition of the Tampa Bay Times there item P35 is PD 27842 this is a zoning amendment in the name of cologne vop mpud by galin Land Services this is requested for a continuance to the March 11 2025 fora County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in date City continuous second all in favor say I I I I any oppos item P36 Mr Clark 36 originally published in the October 23rd 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay [Music] Times and was continued to from the January 20 uh January 14th 2025 board County Commissioners meeting where it was continued to today s i 36 is PD 27651 this is a zoning amendment in the name of tall timers mpud by Extreme Team 41 LLC this is requested for a continuance to the March 11 2025 border of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in dat City move continues second all in favor say I any opposed thank you next item 37 we have proof proof of publication December 25th 2024 of the Tamp Bay Time supplemented

by affidavit is certified mailings and site postings okay item p p37 is pd25 cu7 this is a conditional use amendment in the name of DV Dade LLC disovery mood and anxiety it's a conditional use amendment to increase the number of beds from 24 to 40 in an existing residential treatment and Care Facility in the ar1 agricultural residential district which is in East Central Pasco County on the northwest corner of the intersection of Clinton Avenue and windsorwood Boulevard containing approximately 9.37 Acres this comes to you with the recommendation to approve the conditional use request from the Planning Commission and the Planning Development and economic growth Department okay is there anyone here to speak against this item seeing none leave it on consent P38 do we have proof proof publication T A times December 25th 2024 okay item P3 is pde 2582 this is a development agreement Hamilton Oaks mpud master plan unit development amh Development LLC proposes a development agreement for Hamilton Oaks uh mpud this comes here with a recommendation to approve the development agreement from the uh villages of passing V Hills planning and policy committee and the Planning Development economic growth Department okay is there anyone here to speak against this item Mr chairman on p37 actually there was um I believe the applicant is the only person signed up for p37 yeah he's not speak I'm sure want to oppose this I don't think so but are sure the applicant uh no I'm not I'm saying I believe it to be because of the organization involved but okay I I would like them to confirm that the online that they are the applicant and they are just monitoring uh so this would be Nick glin you are here okay I'm shown you being online you you're not speaking on opposition thank you okay okay we have a motion to approve the consent agenda so move second all in favor say I any opposed P39 approve we have proof of publication Tampa B times January 8th January 15th editions of 2025 good afternoon Joanne Rita real property division the real property team has received a petition to vacate a portion of three platted rights of Way by 13 State Properties the purpose of the vacation is to consolidate the petitioner surrounding properties for development there were no objections to this petition and the team recommends approval okay does the applicant wish to speak this item okay this is a public hearing do we have anyone in person or WebEx to sign up for this item none online all right is anyone here in person here to speak to this item okay we'll conclude public comment do we have a motion for P39 so move second all in favor say I I I any opposed okay

that includes the public comment portion of the meeting going to go back to committee reports than commissioner Yer okay well we had a lot going on in District 4 so I I chose I chose a few so this might be my favorite um I was asked to read to the students at the Early Learning Coalition and um my husband always says kids five and under are my are my best friends so I had a great time doing that all right next slide I was invited to the African-American Club of Pasco so I attended that last Saturday and they're trying to do some uh great things with their youth and also trying to get um a house a um historical um marker so that was that was a great group next one and I was also at the uh pinning for the firefighters they had 18 graduates so I always love going to those and then next slide I was at the ribbon cutting for Fifth Third Bank in loots so they are going to be great Community Partners in the Sunlake area and also they gave a check to amskills for $10,000 which was great very exciting for the program and then last was I just wanted to give a shout out for team appreciation day that is not a great picture paa um and that was uh as commissioner waitman said he was behind me we were we were throw in law so it was a great day played some pickle ball and um just thankful to our our great County workers our staff so that's it okay let's go to County Administrator all right thank you I guess too I would like to just to add on that team appreciation day was a re resounding success and uh again I appreciate um everyone coming out and supporting our our team members and and appreciating the work that they do um just as a reminder for the board I know we had a lot of public comment regarding flooding on February 18th we will be having a workshop the subject of that Workshop will be storm water uh flooding and we set that up as a as a result of the aftermath of the Hurricanes uh to educate and to learn more about what can be done from a policy perspective as it relates as it relates to uh those those issues here in Pasco County uh that'll be advertised to the normal to the normal channels um and uh as I was talking with Mr Cronin one of the things that we we forgot to mention was that we are going to celebrate international trade and tourism day on February 20th uh that's at 4:30 p.m. at the starky market in Trinity uh it's a great opportunity for tourism and trade Partners to come together and again there'll be um $15 per person it's a it's a wonderful cause and event some of that money that gets raised actually helps to fund uh The Exchange programs that we've done with our trade folks we've done folks with animal services and utilities that have gone over to Germany and vice versa and those those those missions happen so that's one form by which that that's all sir all right and I'll say um my the my Newport Richie rotary is a big player in that commissioner Stark I think is going to make a donation from a campaign to make

sure it happens so if there is a shortfall of funds hopefully they'll step up and keep this program going to uh keep our relationships cross across the across the pond yes love all right thank you uh County Mr County attorney uh Mr chairman uh one of I know your most favorite things to do um I need an appointment to the canvasing board my understanding is that commissioner waitman has agreed to do that is that correct and so he's not in the affirmative um I need a letter signed by the chairman that not that appoints commissioner waitman as the board's canvasing board representative and Greg Giordano as the alternate so motion to authorize the chair to sign such a letter I'll move the motion then I have a question before we vote I'll second it okay have motion second question what is this this coming year or two years municipals for this year2 municip okay I'm good then that's I was wondering if it was the next year right year oh okay all right so it would it would only be for the Municipal elections right I did my certification so we'll make good use of the time spent okay on that certification so you can you can determine signature verification now that's I'm going to make good use of that certification class okay and Frank I always thought you were certifiable but I'm certifiable throw the same bu right all in favor say I hios all thank you um this morning speaker on bmar Acres uh just for the board's clarification this is not a tax issue this is a storm water utility assessment that bmah is experiencing on their golf course they have for a number of years um and um we dealt with the B Mar Acres lawyers about five years ago and thought the issue was put to bed um our position is still that they are owed the assessment um that they owe us the assessment um because it is a 403 chapter 403 uh storm waterer utility not a tax U not a general special assessment um but that's you know that our position has been that for some time they have spoken to both they have spoken to to the previous lawyer that was involved in that position and Miss wolf Graham who is the current lawyer in that position um I'm not sure that there's anything that we can resolve with them but let me ask a question mhm we like golf courses and we've designed a lot of them to take us rainwater storm water and reclaim water why would we tax them for storm water utility if they're actually part of the solution for storm water because they're it's not good question yeah good question um I'm not I was not here when the storm water utility was developed that is something clearly we can we can review

with um the infrastructure branch and see what whether there whether that's an exemption we could we should think about um was dealing with the facts as I we're just giv them so I get it I think we should take a look at that because I think if I'm going to have a golf course it's going to take storm water like I want them to like Seven Springs Timber Oaks used to um it's a benefit to us and we're really trying to tax the ones that don't and all the people around at the erus with they more condense they're paying their eru so I think I think it's something that she'll take a look at and bring back okay some of the issue that we have down there is uh bmar it's going to the association the HOA group that looks at after the golf course they're getting that bill but their members don't want to pay it and the members won't allow them to raise their fees for the golf course to take care of that so it ends up on them all the time and I don't think they end they have a struggle to get the money up for that so that's what the issues been okay and and you know what golf courses is are I know elsewhere around that are struggling so I think it's I think it's good to take a burden off them if we can um and and again because they're actually helping the storm water situation I don't think we should be taxing them for what they're helping them but yeah if you want to bring it back there be great okay that's it all right um all right I'm going to go to my committee report I'm going to go right to you Mr okay Mr County attorney um when we heard the people today from Beacon Park come in to speak there were hearings years ago I went back back to 06 where initially that development was supposed to access through Buffalo Drive then it switched over to another hearing where they allow him to go to the aqua Clara which is only a short short little drive to get in they've taken advantage of the public roads to go use their AES to go in and David Engle and David Goldstein and David Allen are working now and Jeff and Jeff to try to change that what happened was there was a decision made by staff which we empowered them years ago I think it was under under Dan biles to give staff flexibility on doing certain things I want to undo that flexibility from staff because staff has overruled the public hearing which these people were very vocal on very knowledgeable about like one of the general was here back in 06 early today and to see that public hearing that they had protected themselves in the neighborhoods to have the development come in flipped on them and now they got to deal with all this hassle so I'm going to say that uh Jeff if you talked to the ordinance I want to bring it back to us so we can converse it back and give the power back to the commission and and keep the strength in the public hearings we've had in the past how how we've decided we wanted the development to come in and for you know construction Roots Etc that they get respected not changed by staff this is a fatal not a fatal error but a very bad error that uh staff had made to

a full I want to make sure we don't have this happen again so hang on a second commission I just want to add something to I mean if we're going to bring it back that's fine let's find out why it ended up that way and the reasons and then be able to make a good decision or whether we should keep it that way or change and I I think um our staff can talk with you as we bring it forward but Jeff if you would talk to it for a minute sure um you know when I when I became your county attorney the the and when there was a development Review Committee um all site plans went to the DRC as a notice public hearing item um DRC would make a decision on it after hearing public comment and it could it could be appealed to the board back in back in the day um the rationale for doing that the planning director at the time uh was that site plans generally should be consistent with your Land Development code and so therefore there there's nothing that could be done at a public hearing as we as you know the in certain instances like this one where they were dealing with construction traffic it wasn't really the site plan approval that was at issue it was the how they were going to access the site and so that the the DRC back then made put a condition on it that said this is going to be the hall route for the for and entry and exit into into this Beacon Park approval um had it all been done in 2006 be we probably wouldn't have the issues that we're having today but this remained an undeveloped portion and so now the this several developers later this is the the new project coming in um I'm not so sure that it's the site plan okay and and we can we can I mean it all can come back and you can you can talk about it it may be more along the lines of whether or not deviations from the plan the site plan should be approved administratively or not but that's up to you all um you know the alt standard as it's become known um is something that you all approve within MPD in the zoning stage there is also an ability to do them administratively at under the current code at staff level during site plan review um and to some extent I think that's what's happened here um part the other the other issue that that is that occurred in this particular project was the construction hall route was tied to moving dirt on and off the site through an excavation permit that they then chose not to use so there was no condition at the time that the development of the residential subdivision is currently undergoing which is why County staff did not stop them from using these roads is because there is no condition that's legally enforcable to do that and these are public

roads who's the building any building Sou good afternoon board David Allen assistant County Administrator development services had to change that one up the uh um I have Southern impression Southern Impressions development out of Jacksonville is who the developer and I think you know I think part of the the challenge with um this particular project was was as Mr Steiner had mentioned was the hall road condition um being on the grading permit that that same require requirement didn't carry over to the site development plan which probably would have been appropriate in this particular case because um just because of the the nature of the location of where this project is in proximity to existing um residential uses and so certainly I think that the the difficulty with the request is going to be the volume of work that we process and I think that that not having that ability is is is going to be a challenge but I think that there are ways that we can work around um those types of deviations and ensuring that any preexisting conditions that are on projects carry forward to subsequent reviews well approval let me stop here a let me ask this question because I I I looked at the documents all the way back from 06 and ' 06 initially was going to be Buffalo Drive switched to Aqua Clara um and in that it said construction traffic was going into that so what happened to take away that condition was in the public hearings from the DRC did did they look for an alternative St they say they could put did they put something in very clearly say the construction traffic could go somewhere else is there something I'm missing no the umz that's what public hearing said so the the the hall route was specific to the mass grading plans was which included let me mass grading and construction activities that in 06 it was all construction activities didn't talk about Mass grading 06 the subsequent approval however was the site development plan which then did not have the Construction route specifications within the standards but how does it disappear if it wasn't mentioned how does it disappear that the construction right now changes because they were the same approval they were they were equivalent approvals so you between 06 when it was done by the DRC and then subsequently ratified by the board and the ones that were issued more recently they were issued administratively because the board gave site plan authority to staff there were there is no more notice public hearing for a site plan that's okay but what I'm saying is the site plan or the approval done with DRC back in ' 06 said your construction traffic had to go in aqua Clara didn't talk about M grading just that and where in the in the from staff changes to talk about Mass grading that's Mass grading but that condition was not carried forward in the new in the in the more how does it disappear though if it was in the mpud and it wasn't mentioned because it wasn't

carried forward it's still in the conditions from back in 06 it wasn't in the zoning conditions it was in the site plan approval and a subsequent site plan approval took that condition off I don't did it address the construction traffic it did not did not rather than taking it off I think I think it was just it was not carried forward in terms of the so if it's not mentioned why wouldn't it still stay because one thing if you say construction traffic can go through public roads or through other things but if you don't mention it I don't think that thing in 06 disappears there's a public hearing we had people in there speaking about it fighting for it had the condition put in if you didn't take it away I don't think just cuz you don't mention it it doesn't disappear it's still there this point I mean are these whenever these are amended are they redlined like an like an addendum or amendment to a contract like an RFP Tye that way you can see what was there and what wasn't there generally what would happen it's for the record and right right um so so part of the challenge here is is is the way that we handle the the approval process has changed so that answer is no so that answer is no answer is no it's an entirely different form form of approval all right you're good so the bilder at the time if it changes contractors they may may not be looking what what said back in h it's not even the same property owner it the the the the property owner in ' 06 that got it was a DR Horton project that got the initial approvals at least my researches and now it's a property owner out of Texas with Southern impressions as doing the site work so things can get lost in translation well they've been found and I'm saying if a public hearing done an ' 06 in front of the people with the documents there that said construction traffic has to go through that whether you mentioned or not in sub other other approvals and other alternate stand if you didn't cover clearly construction traffic goes somewhere else I think they got the right to have them stopped and my legal opinion commissioner is that the site plan that was issued by staff administratively superseded the ' 06 approval how can a staff approval overtake a public area because you changed the process in the inter and you no longer require that public hearing but but again you I haven't heard we're in the new approval that you dealt with the construction traffic and if you didn't deal with it it's still there how do it disappear it's a completely different approval and that's when you when you revise an approval it takes over the previous approval completely I mean they issued a new legal approval for a different site plan for the same property that's what controls

them site plan site plan but if we're talking about access and they put access in is a separate the condition was on the site plan it was not on the zoning but I'd agree with you all day long if that was a condition of the mpad resoning but that's not where that condition got attached to it it got attached to it at a noticed public hearing before the DRC that is that then was then the board's change of the Land Development code took away the public hearing and gave it to an administrative body to approve I I but I don't think just just because another hearing was held if you didn't address the issue the previous law of approval goes away I mean if if if it's a site plan's a site plan and if you want to talk about your masc rating go a certain way I don't think that thing goes away I think you got something to work with there were two approvals that staff issued one was masquerading and one was the site plan the site plan had no conditions in it regarding a hall route the masquerading plan was not utilized and abandoned by the oper I want to sit down I'll review this with staff but at a minimum at least right now how do we go change this rule of Staff changing these things it would take a Land Development code amendment I think your planning director wants to speak to it chair wait so two things so staff unilaterally amended the the decision they had an application from the developer they processed it in the due course they issued an approval sta sta okay interesting uh next piece is are these what's the condition of these roads if the volume of dump trucks that are running up and down it they are Public Road under ordinary use how much life has been eroded away from it and and the roads were never intended to handle the volume of and the weight of the commercial traffic I don't know I'd hate I'd hate that to be a piece of something the taxpayer has to eat I think if there's a decent partner in this contractor I would hope in hearing the Public's uproar and you know they could be a good partner using my legal terms right je be a good partner in helping be a solution to fix at least clean it up right it's all in how it's all in how we respond now right the damage is done so that Avenue at this point to me is almost more important because then it's going to exacerbate the frustrations of the neighborhood that the roads have eroded away with the volume of traffic and we get a couple of weather events next couple years and then they're come and say hey we need our roads repay because of the situation that chair Maran was talking about today so I think we need to look further Downstream how we get this cleaned up the right way thank you David Engel planning economic development director commissioner waitman you bring up some

good valid points and that's what I wanted to speak to today we had a meeting with the officers of the Beacon Park homeowners association this morning uh we are going to uh we we discuss the situation they realize uh that the current development order and site plan does not regulate access and in out of the site uh we have a number of things we're going to do and we're going to report back to the uh Beacon Park HOA at the next meeting uh I'm going to look very carefully through the conditions of approval for that mpud to see if there's anything that we could hang our hat on regulating and requiring access where we also have I believe a meeting tomorrow with David Allen and Jason mckl to talk about postd development uh Road Road restoration project um compliance is now engaged and there'll be a designated Point person so if there is violations to our hours of work and noise requirements in Our Land Development code we will expeditiously respond to that and U I could tell you that the HOA officers were very pleased with our attitude and the fact that we are doing everything possible to help them So speaking about discretionary deviations from board policy back in the summer the current planning department was reconsolidated with Planning and Development we have measures in place that will make sure that this situation does not occur again uh there is a sop we're developing now requiring supervisory reproval of all the plans and permitting before they're executed and we have what's called a planning check instituted at our current planning division where the board approvals and memorialization of policy pertaining to any particular development is carried out at the site plan level so let's say hypothetically Beacon Park came up today and what we're dealing with today I would review it and determine that there's a board policy question and I would I would render the uh the decision to bring it back to the board as a substantial modification their approval because this isn't a minor deviation this is a substantial deviation so we have the check and balances in place to make sure that board policy is maintained and there's no arbitrary approvals going forward and I tell you the manager of this project contractors have been just brutal to these people I'm going to show you a couple of pictures of what this's going through I got homes that have had to put a black screen on the back of their fence where then it had used to be just Woods whatever and Grant that things going to change but instead they got a large trailer truck with Burgess civil engineering right in their backyard that's their view now right front they could have they could have angled it back to minimize the impact all thank you for the put the pictures up then you look at the edge of this is the edge of a yard right you see the grass that was a yard and within like 8 ft you got a cliff going down to where they're putting a lift station of all things um and that's I mean good rain

that thing erods away but even still not not good for the for the long term they had it nice and Loud they kind of turned it up at night so you see the pump that's kind of block boxed out to minimize the damage they could have pumped that thing like 50 yards away instead they put it right by the home so they got to look at it and listen to it go to the next picture sorry go back a little bit that looks a little less serious yeah all right so this's the this there this is one of the houses right on the on the left side this is the pool this is like their pride and joy I mean these people have a a capan out there put a TV against the wall with a nice cover on it is that that's the pool no that's a concrete wearing away from the pool because of the vibrations so they can't even use a pool and all the dust and dirt is what they got to deal with go ahead and go to the next one next one that's Mr Fritz 100 years old my dad that could be okay that's it all right so anyway so so what these people people are dealing with it's been brutal every step of the way and it just it's not what we designed and and again if this public hearing was not so clear in Vision to when we made him go a Clara and part of the reason was not even to think they we think about going down that road through Coral Creek clop there's probably more sink homes in that area it was built over wetlands and Marshland Etc so a lot of settling going on in the roadways that go through there's already one part that's settled down a little bit already but you get these roads that are with these huge truck traffics as they say when they get older it exponentially damages these roads so I know staff's talking about doing some looking at the roads frankly it needs to be done immediately and just kind of like get this guy to the table but I will tell you between the contract between the uh developer it's the worst time to dealt with as far as like you know what's reasonable what's better and and for them again going 1.1 miles it would have slowed the development done getting done but if they had started the other way they could have worked their way to it cuz they still got to start everything from the other end anyway so I mean literally just been it's been brutal and if Jeff if you can bring this back to us we can look at it um it's something we need to change we need when you have the public hearings that you have and people come out they spend the time to go protect the neighborhood have the hearings decisions are made we can't have staff Chang in these things and I still want to go through this Mr County attorney with you to what was actually changed from 06 I haven't seen those documents I just saw the original ones to when the public hearing was I want to see what really we looked at cuz I still can't get past turning over a public hearing when something clearly didn't say all right we're going to change your access all right stay on that picture there that's good that's a different one I if I could just add something to

the conversation not withstanding the things that Mr angle have brought up some of the things we we've been talking about internally to is as we see more infill projects coming back into the county is is really something that I was kind of call thoughtful design in looking at how these site plans and things that are configured because times you do have individual groups looking look at the the instance of this Pump Station being right right where it's at you know you know are there things that are team members can be looking at looking at a holistic picture in terms of you know how we move our approvals so we're going to be talking more about that because I think you're going to see more and more of that as we do more infill projects smaller projects that are going to kind of kind of fit into the into the nooks and crannies that need to peacefully coexist with with residents and people that have built their lives so just appreciate the the the conversation on this and just know that your your team has listened and that we are we are moving forward in the right direction I I got faith in you guys but again I need to make sure we if we need to change rules to make sure that we don't get stuck in a situation like this because there's just no need for that and it could happen again I want here's one I want to show you just a few pictures of this is K States you've heard them uh the ladies speak before as you've heard someone speak this is one where it used to be one house per uh 10 acres in this whole development it's now been changed to 180 when this came before the board it didn't show access on this little side road prella which went right through middle school now it does and not only does it show just an easement what they have permission for but now they've come in without I know told staff they've raised this land up like 8 ft so now you see that huge pitch going down that's going to the bottom of an area and this is at the bottom of a bowl of this whole area so all the water is going to go to this low area and now you're taking out a lot of the storage by building this road can take another picture now they even knocked down a school sign School sign down school zone sign they left it there on the ground absurd again next one I think that's all that that's all of that okay yeah so if you looked from the BMS up they up over there where that house is it's about to the top of that BM is probably 6 feet higher than where the lady's property is and with the con and where that pond is on the other side there's not even a buffer between the two so all the water and this is the lowest Pond that everything that's going to be built in is going to come in I mean you get a retention wall up by that one house with the wood around it and then you got the street that's there and then all that water very very poorly designed for the people great for them commissioner yeah some of the issues we excuse me some of the issues that we're finding out when we're going back in infilling they're raising the land up which makes

and still do the owner contractor so they can do work on their own place and still not be penalized where they can't sell LS for a year so something happens in major GE that's something that they did that we can go learn from them and then go put that in we want to take it further to mile everybody to go do it especially in a hurricane situation um FEMA is not anywhere on this sheet and they should be there as well and I think we should actually have like three building officials together I going be five building officials let them be in the same room and let them deal with FEMA and just see what each one of them are told it says day two fous staff to be determined Disaster Recovery panel yeah but it's not set up yet I will I will say I gave I gave mad I got Kevin gotth three coming yep I which is phenomenal I think he'll he'll do great um so anyway I just want you guys to take a look at if he get anything it's all about resiliency for years they struggled of being what they said relevant and I want to make sure that we do an agenda it's well attended exciting it's beneficial to go there spend your time and I would like you guys to go but I would like to get your comments in this is not a final schedule but it's something that can be tweaked so if you see something you think we need to go do please let me know and uh we'll pass those recommendations on and that is that's all I have great we're Jour thank you great meeting did I hear you [Music] a