10.22.24 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Afternoon Session)

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oh [Music] good afternoon I'd like to call back to order of the Pasco County County Commission meeting of October 22nd 2024 please um silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones we will proceed with the public hearings starting with ordinances uh p73 I believe we have proof of publication of the hearing of this matter in the September 4th 2024 and October 13th uh 2024 additions of the Tampa Bay times thank you Mr chairman rarus pitos Planning Development economic growth good afternoon item p73 is an ordinance for a Land Development code Amendment uh this ordinance uh was actually scheduled initially at the October 8th Board of County Commissioners meeting which was canceled due to Hurricane Milton uh this item would have been the adoption item that would have been heard today but given that October 8 was cancelled this is this item is being continued to November 12th uh at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City okay do we need a a motion or anything do we do move to continue time certain second got a motion a second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 z uh move on to p74 Mr chairman um Mr Snider yes sir for the for the purposes of the record is that was the the first reading at the last meeting are you continuing both the first and the second hearings or first would been good so the first would have been I could answer the the last meeting go ahead um item p77 on this agenda is the first reading item which will happen today understood thank you okay that clears it okay so the publication on S on p74 uh 74 first public hearing here also was uh moved from the October 8th meeting uh to the meeting today it was orally published in the August 7th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay t okay all right and this is continues thank you Mr chairman uh item p74 is PD 25007 uh this is an ordinance amending the Land Development code for tree preservation and replacement uh standards we're currently working with uh stakeholders and wrapping up uh a new version of the ordinance which will be brought back therefore this is being requested for continuous with date uncertain we will republish to bring this back why date uncertain why not like the next in two meetings I I don't want to leave it date uncertain we got to get this fixed it maybe because it's been continued a number of times already so we have to re republish anyway yeah okay all right move continue dat certain second got a motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 move to p75 publication approve the publication in the Tampa Bay time September 4th uh 24 and supplemented by Affidavit of certified mailings and site postings item p75 is PDA 25179 this is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan

providing for a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use map map 2-15 and Sheet 03 from Ro retail office residential to Il industrial Light on approximately 16.84 Acres of real property located at the southeast corner of the intersection of Diagonal Road and New York Avenue and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repeal observability and an effective date this comes to you with a recommendation uh to approve the proos comprehensive plan Amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote and there's a presentation if so desired chairman yes sir hey Terry you know my question just on a record we have the live local provision on this one yes sir thank you okay board Mr chairman yes just to talk about this uh Terry have we looked at closely what this if the road structure can handle this change you mean the pavement surface yeah uh we from a comprehensive plan standpoint we have not looked at the pavement surface um we've looked at the road capacity and uh you know its location along arterials and and its relationship with tals and collectors but not necessarily the construction of the road all I'm I'm going to say I just went through a situation up in Shady Hills where we made an approval on something coming in without seeing the site plan the site plan come in and because one decision was made before the other decision decision made there's a big issue with the connection dag Road I think is a very Sandy Road tough to travel on it's a very important road so I I'm going to say that I would rather hear this at the same time the the uh zoning amendments going to come come and change in I mean we can do it so it doesn't slow it down but I think if we hear them together I'd be I'd feel much more comfortable because I don't want to take a land use chain has already been done and now I got to go deal with something else I'd rather look at it look at both together it is a it's been a very tough area for years to develop industrially I think it should but I think we should be looking at both of them together this coming in as a a plan development or a um ukian zoning uh my understanding is that it would be coming in as a ukian rezoning later and you can't take them together yeah that be separate the comp comprehensive plan Amendment must be effective before you can reone ukian haven't we done it before where not since I've been your county attorney well just just let me finish let me finish my question okay we've had sometimes where we have a land use coming in and we'll see the land use then we'll hear the zoning and then we'll rule on the land use first and then look at whether deci side to go with the zoning on an MPD you can do that because you can make the zoning effective subsequent to the plan amendment

being being effective so you can delay the effective data to rezoning you can't do that with ukian unfortunately that's that's the law if we approve this this it gets sent to the state then it's going to come back to us for a final approval correct nope no this small SC small well I want to I want I want well all right so what what things can we look at with this project so I mean I'm I'm I'm concerned about the infrastructure in place especially on Diagonal Road so the question is have you is whether or not the team has looked at whether there is adequate infrastructure to support this this comprehensive plan Amendment um and even if the current if if there're sufficient right away um whether the right of way can be upgraded to to handle this and that would be a site plan so I do have a suggestion Mr chair um they do have to do a standard roadway analysis in connection with the resoning so I don't think there's anything preventing the board from having that substandard roadway analysis presented as part of the plan Amendment if you wanted to continue the plan Amendment until that analysis has been done okay I really think it's that's up to the board I'm just saying that that dat Terry's right the data on the sub or rway analysis is typically not presented with a plan Amendment it's usually presented with the resoning but I don't think there's anything preventing the board from wanting to see that analysis before you take action on the plan Amendment but I'll let Terry and the applicant comment on that further the applicant wishes to address okay theard M will good afternoon Barbara will height 6327 Grand Boulevard Newport Richie 34652 for the applicant um we are happy to continue it you this has been a long journey trying to to take this property to Industrial um when I was hired my client said the staff was going to initiate this complain Amendment so I'm glad to hang in for the journey and make sure that any uh issues are addressed we can agree to a month continuance and we can uh work with staff thank you would you continue Mr chairman since it was advertised for approval i' see if there's any other people who want to comment knowing it is a public hearing so is anyone else here wish to speak to this item no one has signed up on this item okay no one signed up nobody on WebEx no sir no sir okay anyone in the room wish to speak to this item see no one move to continue time certain um so you only have one the question is are you going to continue it to your D City meeting on the 12th of November or whether it's going to the 10th of December in Newport Richie I'm okay to the next meeting in Dade City uh there's no one here speaking in opposition of it and I think that will give staff enough time to

bring it back a little bit quicker which I'm okay with that be good so the motion would be to continue the item to November 12th at 1:30 or soon thereafter a say may be heard so move can I ask can I ask a question um okay can staff comment on whether they're going to have a substandard roadway analysis done by then because I have no idea if they will so good point deadlines are for November 12 are this week actually we wouldn't have time to bring it back for November 12 okay what's the December date then December 10th the 10th is on my calendar is it yeah that's right move to move to continue to December 10th I got a motion second got a second by roll call vote NOP this you can just take a you can just take simp a motion a second those in favor say I I those oppos like that hear none motion pass 5 Z okay move on to b76 b76 we proof for publication of the hearing of this matter in the September 4th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay Times uh supplemented by CER certified mailings and site posting affidavit okay uh item p76 is p pde 250012 um it is I'll complete the uh the title there an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use maps 2-15 and Sheet 18 changing from res 12 dwelling units per gross acre residential 12 d go acre to Comm commercial on approximately 3.05 Acres of real property located south of Massachusetts Avenue approximately 1,300 ft west of the intersection of Massachusetts Avenue and Rowan Road and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealer cability and an effective date this comes here with a recommendation to approve the proposed comence of plan am Amendment and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote we have a presentation of so desired want to hear a presentation okay uh is there anyone this is public hearing is anyone here to speak to this item see you no one anybody on WebEx no sir okay not for this item all right Mo forward move Ru I have a motion second and a second uh this is not a roll call this one is a roll call all right this is a roll call vote just District Two commissioner wman hi District three commissioner starky hi District Four commissioner Jagger hi District Five commissioner Mariano hi district one chairman Oakley I motion pass 5 move on U move on to p77 And to clarify this item was published for hearing on October 8th in the Tampa Bay time September 4th uh and October 13th of 2024 again it was continued due to Hurricane Milton to be heard at this time okay and there's no action required on this item but a reading of it I guess we do have one signed up for this oh you have one signed up yes okay thank you Mr chairman item p77 is pde

25003 this is an ordinance by the PES County Board of County Commissioners amending the pesel County Land Development code section 204. 1.a planning Commission Section 3042 D public notice section 3052 dob neighborhood meeting coordination and notice section 307 continuance procedures section 310 performance security section 311 defect security section 43.5 construction plans section 40616 B1 and three temporary signs section 4061 94a additional standards for permanent signs in residential districts section 4061 10 b c and e additional standards for signs in non-residential districts ground signs wall signs and regulations for Marquee canopy and Awning signs section 103.1 Gates fences and walls General requirements section 103.4 Gates fences and walls non-residential requirements section 1203.4 non-conforming signs section 13021 D uniform procedures and Provisions reduction of Mobility fees and waivers of school impact fees appendix a definitions and other sections as necessary for internal consistency providing for applicability repealer providing for severability uh inclusion into the Land Development code and an effective date uh this is the uh first hearing uh and the board is requested to accept public comment uh the second hearing will be held on November 12th at 1:30 p.m in Dade City we have a uh presentation if so desired uh so this is presume so this is Land Development code amendment number 74 it's proposed amendments were presented to the horizontal round table and interested parties on September 18 of 2024 and the LPA found the proposed amendments consistent with the comprehensive plan on September 19 2024 uh as I can't see the screen from that far um I'll walk through each of the Amendments very briefly um they are fairly straightforward all of them in chapter 200 uh we add Provisions if a Planning Commission member term expires the member shall remain on the PC on the Planning Commission until such time as a new appointment is made um chapter 300 in procedures we clarified that posted sign is to meet the specifications in the development manual this item as well as the next two items are referring to the public hearing uh notice signs um that weal that we've talked about previously um chapter 300 clarifies the post assigned to meet specification development manual um chapter 3 on procedures section 310 performance security we added clarifying language to the section to make it internally consistent chapter 300 procedures in the in section 311 defect security we added language to the section again for internal consistency uh no changes were made in the chapter 4 and permit types and applications um section 43.5 in chapter 400 permit type and applications in section 40613 prohibited signs we clear verify that science

having characteristics of snip signs are not necessarily prohibited as snip SS uh chapter 400 permit types and applications uh we provided for the allowance of additional temporary signs 30 days prior to an election and removes the prohibition of double face signs uh chapter 400 permit types and applications provides for the allowance of an architectural top feature for ground signs uh similar to the allowance in non-residential districts uh chapter 400 permit types and applications 406 1110b ground signs it clarifies that top features architectural and considered part of the sign structure when calculating sign height uh in chapter 400 40610 C2 signs wall signs we removed sidewalls from disallowance of projection for wall signs in chapter 400 406 1110e regulations for Marquee canopy and Awning signs it clarified that signs above canopies are not considered roof signs in chapter uh 10 100 miscellaneous structure regulations we add language that chain link welded wire or similar fences and gates are allowed on Industrial Zone properties if they are vinyl coated with a color that blends into the adjacent Landscaping per the direction of the board of County Commissioners on June 18 2024 excuse me Terry chairman may I to th to this section Terry which is why when we brought this up to make this change understand for the type of fences on Industrial if you look all around Pasco County right now you see the vinyl PVC fences blown out looks like a a toothless smile is what these look at and if you go by and you look at the industrial properties and other commercial style properties it has kept their work and their product safely and more securely in their on their property in their workspace so that's why I think it's important that you know chain link is approved and usable on these industrial zones ownings and you know some commercial sites so anyway uh just real life example and appreciate this change Sir Mr chairman yes sir so let me ask CU bring you bring that up in so many vinyl things are just like thrown everywhere look like crap and will for a while right so and and I like the colored part and you know whether it be black green whatever it may be how how would you feel if we then looked at changing what's along the arterials as well I'd be against that I I knew that but I was talking to him question was a little bit the question was a little bit to the left asking for an answer right my my question I'm I'm all for practical Common Sense application right not just necessarily what something looks like and vinyl fences are weak they they blow over and in normal rainstorms and they become a hazard they're dangerous and I almost think that to be on a we need to have a a wiggle room in there depending on what the type of business is of what the appropriate style fence would be if they came in and asked a variant say hey this

is my type of business vinyl will not be secure we take a look at it and then we could agree to put chain length or you know masonary something other then so I'm I'm not I'm not opposed I'm all for you know Common Sense practical Solutions here that that don't break the bank either so uh the other application that they can use because I don't think we should be lining our arterial roads with chain link fence um is vertical metal fencing which is what they do everywhere else um where they don't allow chain link on their main roads and that is very safe frankly that's what I would have gone for um in in a lot of places I tried to do that with the school district when I was on there and that's what Tampa does around their schools is vertical and I I showed what that looks like it's not that much more um I I kind of agree with you on the vinyl fences that we're letting all these developers put up back in the day before we had all that they all did masonary fences if you look at a a long starky Boulevard on a long leaf it's all it's all it's all masonary it's either brick or concrete block and the vinyl fences in my mind don't hold up they get dirty you go to clean them you ruin them they're a problem so um but I wouldn't I I I'm I'm okay I I B on the industrial for chain link as long as it's coded but you can't do that on on the other kind of businesses and what was it you suggested vertical maybe you can show a picture where a decorative a vertical metal fence looks like it's where the the rods go they're usually um square and they're tall and frankly they're much more yeah they're much more secure security wise and a chain link fence because chain link fence you just put one foot in and hop over too yeah with a vertical metal fence you it's much harder to climb over and has a lot more security yeah well those are those are um there you go that yeah and that's a fine alternative mhm so what's the procedure in can that be CH is he done well they can they can do that already they can put so that so we're changing to allow chain link for industrial and a commercial can use that metal fence right there rather than but most most commercials don't even put up a fence really true very rarely does a commercial put up a fence is there something we need to change right now Terry nothing precludes a commercial from putting up a vertical metal fence like that and if if we miss that then we should make sure they're allowed to put that kind of fence I don't believe so but I'd have to go back and check to be fully clear on that are you looking for an option or are you looking for a Prohibition so and so if you're looking to move to the to that style fence along the arterials they're going to make they're going to have to make a change to the the code if it's just an option I would think that they had it's a fence so right they have the ability to to do that right now although we can clarify

that between the first and the second hearing here we'll get an answer I think Brad's going to answer some hi Brad tippen uh we have code currently that says chain link fence cannot be visible from the rights way so this is actually allowing chain link fence as long as it is coded uh in the indust industrial areas but it doesn't supersede the other code requirement outside of the industrial areas and they are allowed to use any of the other metal types of fences that they want to use okay so this is not chain link no correct no I just say that's how the two things kind of interplay and overlap uh the the chain link would be allowed by this uh as long as it's the coded type in the industrial Parcels uh but it would not be allowed with invisibility of the RightWay in other areas of the county that are not industrial Parcels they could still use the vertical metal and other decorative metal styles of fence okay Brad before you leave is there a another option I don't know what the state of the technology is vinyl coded was historically all you could do do they now have a different way to color chain L I just don't want to if it's powdercoated let's say I don't know if that's possible or that's even cheaper I don't want to just say coated I don't want to I just didn't know whether you I don't know paint you're limiting yourself to vinyl coated I just want to make sure that that's not a change we come back for later I believe the most common is the vinyl coated um there is always an AB you can powder coat anything uh in a color but it also will uh chip and show where uh over time so it doesn't it doesn't end up as as long lasting as the vinyl Cod there are other options um if you wanted to say color colored to match the environment instead of vinyl coated maybe that would work but or using vinyl cating or a similar means we can we can work with that kind of kind of language and maybe tweak something I I'm fine with black brown or green after that I don't want any red or orange or you don't want blaze orange no maybe maybe Garnet maybe gold about that I don't see nothing wrong well um were you through so can this be done can this be done without stopping this ordinance from going through it's already there that's what he's saying it's it's already there yeah it's already there so we're okay yeah I think we're we're fine um hang on Mr chair so I'm okay with putting the word colored in there you could put vinyl coated or colored but to just limit it to the vinyl coating might hurt you I don't if you want to get into the specific colors but I think just colored makes it look better one way or the other I don't know if there is powdercoated vinyl well it wouldn't be vinyl it would be I mean powder coated metal it would be metal yes they do that why is it scrape right off when it rubs I I don't

think we should do that when it breaks I think it'll be a problem I think it'll look bad really quickly I think they'll be able to work through it so we're okay with the language as is I think so if it's in there then we're okay just everybody knows that that's what we need to be asking for so chairman so the switch commission may you just want to add the word color what's your language specifically it would be or colored VY coded or colored Brad is there such a thing I mean are we going to have people stand on there spray painting their fences so yeah that that may be the the issue is you might have I think do it jobs but I don't know how economical that would be that's there there is always in this situation we always have the alternative standard process that if somebody does come in with a different idea as to how they want to do it we can we can work through that process and get that approved as long as we know the intent is to have that color there it could be something other than vinyl we can we can work with that too yeah so through staff we can get that accomplished okay that's good to hear all right um is there anything else you got to read or because I got person speak to this item just two more things three more things uh chapter 12 100 nonconformities we clarified when a non-conforming sign and sign structure is to be removed and added allowances of multi-occupancy owners to enter into agreements with for future removal of non-conforming signs so that tenants May apply in the interm for permanent signage oh good that was in here I'm glad we're fixing that yeah and then the last two amendments for chapter 1300 concurrency Mobility impact fees had clarified the timing of the process for when the county must must be informed that a development will be a community or subdivision a providing housing for persons who are 55 plus 55 years of age so a lot earlier in the process for example and then in appendix a definitions modify the definition for canopy sign marqueis sign and awning signs and modify the definition of community residential homes in the actual definitions um the following slides are just the actual text Amendment themselves if you were if you were to care to peruse that um otherwise that's the complete set of amendments on this package okay Mr chairman yes sir would you go back to the part where you talk about the sign uh Dimensions where if you had a design outside where the lettering was going to be that would be counted against architectural yeah architectural yeah you want to see the actual language sure temporary science there we go so the the actual language says each sence structure area shall not exceed 10 ft in height and may contain an ornamental architectural top feature that is sculp Cal or artistic in nature

that exceeds the 10t height limitation the ornamental architectural top feature shall not exceed 10% of the overall height of the sign structure and shall be considered part of the sign structure when calculating sign height and that's for residential districts those are like correct subdivisions yeah I mean I'm just thinking of let's say you were in a certain neighborhood like I'll give example Fairway Oaks just had their whole sign crushed over I think by the storm it looks like oh I didn't right so it's falling over they they got to redo it the nice thing about the sign was they had a nice big sign with the lettering in there about it and the brick was part of it but if it's over that height and you're going to take away their sign it takes away the thing I think Trinity's done some gorgeous signs of the Florida Le Etc that look good with that extra little bit of height I don't think it's a detriment but I think it adds something to somebody's creative ability to make this sign look better than just a standard box so I really don't want to penalize him for making it look nicer the big ones are the ones that went down mind that but Denise you have something to EAS to read though come forward sorry Denise Hernandez um I just wanted to make a clarification to the section so commissioner Mariano the section that Terry read from that is a section that already exists which is in for ground signs for non-residential districts if you look at the above section 46.1 point9 it now allows additional architectural features so previous to that you could not have an increase now it allows the actual sign to be taller because you now can add this architectural feature on the top of the sign okay so it gives them more flexibility and a taller sign potentially I like that thank you we wanted to do we wanted to do this the residential section similar to the commercial section okay thank you thank you all right do I have to take public comment yes yes darn okay um M [Music] King name and address for the record good afternoon my name is mcair King with the law firm of iard Merill 2033 Main Street sweet 600 Sarasota Florida I'm here today on behalf of my clients Benderson and Benderson 851 trust and 95 F LR PT LL C they are the owners of Ridge Plaza which is located at 8601 Little Road we're here today in support of the proposed amendments to LDC section 1203.4 specifically related to non-conforming signs um we feel that the new addition of subsection 3 allows multi-occupancy parcel owners to fulfill their contractual obligations to their tenants um and we I just want to take a minute to thank staff for all of their hard work and time on this item um I will seed the rest of my time unless you all have any other further questions but again we urge you to vote um approval of

this item thank you all right thank you okay there's no action required move to approve no no action required no first hearing first hearing you can do that on the toour all right all right to procedures Mr chairman if I may point to p78 it is an item that should have been in the in this top section that we're currently in on the agenda um it's an ordinance uh well I'll let the clerk but it would be an ordinance amending the PES County comprehensive plan for this first section here and it's a continuance so I can read the official title if you'd like and then we might as well go ahead and continue it since it should have been in the ordinance section correct so um item p78 is an ordinance amending the Pasco County comprehensive plan providing for a comprehensive plan Amendment to the Future land use maps 2-15 and sheet1 changing from res one residential one dwelling unit per gross acre to Comm commercial on approximately 3.02 Acres of real property located at the northeast corner the intersection of Jasmine Boulevard and Little Road uh this comes to you with a recommendation to continue the item to the December I believe 10 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in new POI and for the record there was proof of publication on this in Tamp B time September 4th 20124 okaye move that okay motion to I need a motion to continue this item move to continue second motion second all those in favor say I I I motion passed now would you give us the procedures I'd be happy to Mr chairman there are two resoning agendas regular and consent staff will present each application to the board of County Commissioners if staff or Planning Commission has recommended approval and there is no opposition the application will be considered by the board without further presentation if staff or Planning Commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual or five minutes for a group representative and the applicant will be given 3 minutes for rebuttal any individual disagreeing with staff or Planning Commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning May at this time request that the petition be pulled from the consent agenda in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting otherwise all resoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote if you wish to speak to any petition please give your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn for the record these are Quasi judicial public hearings the law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for the board to take action please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's Land Development code for

resoning okay swear man at this time if any party in the audience is wish and intends to speak to any of these resting items we'd ask that you please stand any other party that intends to give testimony uh relating to these rezonings if you please raise your right hand you swear or firm that the testimony you will give in these matters is the truth so have you got thank you and when you come forward please just state that you were sworn previously okay all right item p79 we have proov for publication of this matter in the tempay times August 28th 2024 Mr chairman for item p79 but also for p80 and p82 the agenda memo headers were changed to read bard of County Commissioners agenda memorandum and the recommendation section header was changed to read recommended board action so the corrections have already been sent to the clerk's office I just wanted to put that out there ahead of p79 uh and that was for p79 p80 and p82 but but for p79 uh this is a zoning amendment in the name of sidiki RA rafat Ali it's a change in zoning from C1 neighborhood commercial District to a C2 General commercial District in South Central Pasco County at the southwest corner of the intersection of Black Lake Rog in Geneva Drive containing approximately 0.57 acre this is recommended for a continuance of the December 10 2024 border County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in newp Richie okay all right do I have a uh a motion move to continue say second motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 z uh move on to p80 this item was uh published in the Tampa Bay [Music] Times May 1st of 2024 it was continued from the June 18th board meeting where it was continued to August 21st where it was continued to today item p8 is pde 27783 this is a zoning amendment in the name of dijan and Gordana vujovich change in zoning from an AR agricultural residential district with conditions to an AR agricultural residential district in the Northwest Pasco County on the northwest corner of C Biscuit Lane and gidy up Lane containing approximately 5.07 Acres this is being recommended for continuance to the December 10 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in no Richie Mr chairman yes can I ask a question about this before we make a comp Terry how far along are we to do this um is there ordinances are zoning laws keeping us from allowing this to happen or how do we make this happen this is where we can actually have an an additional dwelling unit or property what what do we need to do to address this is there something we need to do up here sure that question you're referring to the accessory dwelling unit ordinance yes so that is current a draft of that ordinance has been prepared uh it's currently been submitted to the county attorney's office and they're actively reviewing it

right now and that will help us with this correct okay all right move to continue second got a motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 move on to p81 approve publication and Tampa Bay Times July 24th 2024 for the meeting of September 17th where it was continued to today okay item p81 is a zoning amendment in the name of 52 realy LLC State 52 realy it's a change in zoning from AR agricultural residential district to AR agricultural residential district P2 professional office and C2 commercial District in West Central Pasco County on the south side of State Road 52 approximately Half Mile West of land Lakes Boulevard containing approximately 8.84 Acres this is a request for continuance to the December 10 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in newort Richie okay move to continue second I got a motion second all those in favor say I I I I motion pass 5 Z move on to p82 approv publication temp B times August 28th 2024 for today's meeting uh item p81 is PD 27818 it is a zoning amendment in the name of HCM Hospitality LLC it's a change in zoning from a C2 General commercial commercial District to mf1 and mf1 multif family medium density District to an mf1 multif family multiple family medium density District in West Central Pasco County on the east side of us Highway 19 approximately 950 ft south of State Road 52 containing approximately 4.44 acres is a request to continue to the December 10 2024 border County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in New porich move to continue okay I got a motion second and a second all those in favor say i i i m pass 5 z Mr chairman yes I would mind me with the staff on this even the applicant at some point so you can get with me when you get a chance well next okay all right we move on to p83 p83 was published in the Tampa Bay Times August 21st 2024 and there was supplemented by certified mailings and site posting affidavits uh for the October 88th meeting at which point it was continued to today due to Hurricane Milton item p83 is pte 27795 this is a zoning Amendment Northridge mpud master plan unit development Northridge 829 LLC it's a substantial modification to increase the residential density from 700 units to 758 units detached and Villas on approximately 178.6 Acres located south of an AB budding County Line Road North 1.25 miles Northwest of the Sun Coast Parkway this is requested for a continuance to the November 12 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting in Dade City at 1:30 p.m. uh Mr chairman yes why would I hear that in D City and not over here uh this item was uh scheduled for today but there was a break in continuity due to the cancellation on October 8th requiring a read vertisements uh to the next available B County Commissioners meeting I mean I I think I want to have this item over on this side of the

county can can we move it to the next it is the pleasure of the board to put it for December 10 May I is that a problem yes Barbera will height 6327 Grand Boulevard for the applicant um so do no fault of our own we were supposed to have this done in October there is a CDD running at the same time this project is already in construction needs financed needs money it's going to die on the vine there's no reason why we can't have it heard in in uh in Dade City instead of Newport Richie I would ask for your to please please it's not our fault that this is the way all the hearings are running out what's happening on the project we're this project is increasing the density from 700 to 770 units did they add land to it no yeah that's true it was actually 770 now it's 753 no what what happened was when this project initially came forward at the board meeting there's a request to increase the commercial intensity from 40,000 ft to 60,000 ft we didn't want to delay at that time because it came up at the last minute so what we did was we went ahead and increased the commercial to 60,000 decreased the residential 700 because we needed to do a traffic study to make those adjustments so now we've done the traffic study to get back to our 770 we've now reduced it to 753 because negotiating with staff we increased the size of the Lots um from 40s to 50s for those 53 units so it's been a cedal mess from the day we were here trying to get approved um we're trying to get back get this project moving we've got an utilities project underway um to extend your utilities six miles on sewer a couple miles on water in conjunction with the county we really need to get going we're going to lose we're going to lose all of that we put together on this project if we can't have this hearing next month okay so what's the date you want November 12th move to continue when they're in the middle they flipflop move to continue November 12th thank you second I got a second got a motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 z uh p84 and I will inform you that this is a consent item we have proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times August 28 2024 supplemented by Affidavit of certified mailings and site post thank you Mr chairman p84 is pde 27817 this is a zoning Amendment an oine 54 LLC change in zoning from a C1 neighborhood commercial District to a C2 General commercial District in the southeast of Pascal County northwest corner of the intersection of State 54 and point Cypress Boulevard containing approximately 1.31 Acres this comes here with a recommendation of approval okay this is consent item is there anyone here wish to speak against this item no one signed up no one online okay seeing no one pleasure of the board move approval second I got a motion in second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 Z move on to uh

P85 a consent item have proof of publication in the September 4th 2024 edition of the Tampa Bay Time supplemented by certified mailings and site postings this is the first hearing the adoption hearing is scheduled for November 12th inade City Mr chairman item P85 is a zoning amendment that has been initiated by the county uh it is in the name of Sun Coast Lakes mpud master plan unit development um by the pasal County Planning services division it's a modification to the previously approved master plan in conditions of approval to reflect and memorialize subsequent revisions there too on approximately 4835 acres in the South and Central Market areas this is the first of two board County Commissioners hearings no action is actually required for this first uh hearing or reading of this ordinance we there can be a presentation if so desired I'd like to see it okay I want to I want to see how they're laying it out curious do we take public coming on act good afternoon everybody Tammy and Snider Planning Development and economic growth department and here we have item P85 pde 27826 a zoning Amendment for Sun Coast Lakes mpud Master planed unit development here is the zoning map and the future land use map the context map this is the proposed master plan this is a staff initiated modification to ensure that all the mpud documents reflect the intent the entitlements and the growth pattern of the mpud and to memorialize and approve the changes to the last BCC approved Sun Coast Lakes mpud approval which is in 2009 the PC heard the item at the September 17th 2024 hearing and unanimously recommended to vote um to recommend approval to the BCC um and this is the first of two BCC hearings as Terry mentioned and so there's no action required at this time um there has uh it was discovered by our esteemed zoning administrator that there were some documents that had not actually made it to the BCC for approval after the 2009 approval and there were some non-substantial modifications made to the mpud using some of those documents and so we just wanted to clean everything up and make sure that everybody was on the same page and all of the um um assigned entitlements were where they were supposed to be and all of that good stuff okay and this a consent item so it's this is a public hearing is anyone here to speak against this item come for I thought it said was on State Road 54 if you can please give us your name and address for the record and were you sworn Paul BBY 11544 Grovewood Boulevard and have been sworn thank you have some papers to submit uh move to receive and file second got a motion to second to receive and file all those in favor say I I motion pass 5 Z yes sir on the map uh they have section

three it's right behind the race track gas station they're adding hotel to that I think it doesn't align with the current landscape and it's a misuse of the land there's got significant issues as you can see on the map there uh everyone leaving the car wash the racetrack and the U-Haul have to go East to the intersection of Silver Palm and Mot way to get out and go out 52 West all the residents in Grovewood Estates are already sitting there forever trying to get out partially the reason is if you see that Thin Blue Line coming south off of 52 right next to number one where the car wash is there's a median there so everybody leaving the car wash has to come out make a uturn in that intersection of Silver Palm and merot so all the residents from Grovewood mixed with the people coming out of the racetrack and the people coming out of the car wash and out of the backside of the racetrack all converge there and now the U-Haul anyone wanting to come out and go west is going to come out at that intersection also so a I believe that'll create a lot of traffic issues another thing is you see the red area SE that's all conservation land you can see the outly the little line of what's actually wet or not that little dock by silver that's my house we flood already when somebody spills a tea I'm more concerned than ever about stuff being built right there if you're going to put two acres of asphalt and concrete right there that's all going to flood in noted in three the little line where it says Palm that's the lowest line area like in the whole the whole section there all the water pulls right into that big bowl and if we don't drain out properly underneath the road it actually goes out to Griffin's land our conservation leads out there and it drains out it's a small metal culvert it's a private road it's not going to be able to handle that once the water goes over that covert we all flood in and it floods over Silver Palm too which traps the residents in Sun Coast Lakes many times can we pull that up on the is it Pas map or p we've had a lot of new construction the car wash I had called several times it was with the change of hands between Fitzy and Gary nobody got back to me all I won was a car wash to be spun the other way so the exit was facing 52 where all the noise would be but now it just blow blows into our Conservation Area like seven people have moved out already cuz it's so loud so we get the noise from the car wash I can see the U-Haul from every window of my house just about and I love the fire station don't get me wrong I took a tour not too long ago but they fire up the lights and Sirens right when they leave that's another thing like maybe somebody could call them maybe let them know not to crank it up till they get to the gas station at least m

noted thanks there's really not a lot of traffic on that road is uh what's under construction right there is that the storage facility no no to the left of the gas station that's a Paul J's car wash that was the car yeah oh that's the car wash I had to resort to getting jal's phone number myself talking to him about turning it around but it was too late nice guy I like Paul okay so what are you saying they they do u-turns what what's the what's the path of the car wash so the car wash has a one-way exit on the you kind of see where those shipping containers are yeah mustered there there's one way exit there there's an exit out the gas station you come out to merot and right where it says Silver Palm Boulevard all that is median so people coming out of the gas station from that other exit have to come out and make a U-turn so we all converge in that one spot and now the U-Haul people coming out where that road right where the cursor is they're going to be coming out too that's for everybody that wants to Head West on 52 everybody has to go out that way you put a hotel on that small lot that's going to create a lot of problems not just flooding is that a light is that a lighted intersection or not yes sir you oh that's interesting it's not a li not here but up on Silver Palm and 52 is that a lighted intersection yes that is Silver Palm and Merk is the intersection that I'm worried about so isn't um that a retirement community to the South no no it's oh no oh no never mind that's for James M loose HOA thing okay I was thinking a I was thinking of uh the one at 75 and 52 Tamp Tampa Tampa bag off yeah yeah that's a lot of people coming out there and look it connects to nothing well where the cursive is my is that where the hotel is supposed to go uh where those shipping containers are mustard that's where the hotel it's going there 2.15 acres and it backs up to that conservation you can see the creek outline so that Creek runs ran behind Kenny's house and then it dumps out onto the Griffin's property or that first Lake on the left I don't know if you've ever been in to the Griff I've been in there so it feeds there's a spring out there there's two Springs and it it's always full and it Feeds out through the swamp and onto their first Lake there going to be a lot of water displaced right there well they have to deal for that deal for have to compensate for that previously before the car wash was built our neighborhood conceded that land and that was our original entrance into the neighborhood we turned the land over and in exchange they paved all of our neighborhood which was nice but then they built a car wash there and aimed it towards us so it's like uh I've talked with a bunch of people in the neighborhood um we have a petition going and they'd like to see some sort of concessions if this goes through hopefully it doesn't but you

know we can work out some sort of deal W that hotel buffer the sound of the car wash it's probably too far to the east maybe depending I don't know Poss is this the first reading on this yes yes and and and what are they trying to do they're trying to do a fast food my favorite and what else so what is in the little square that you have labeled two uh two is oh that's where the median is that runs north to south blocking everybody coming out of racetrack okay so that forces everybody to make a U-turn there so the U-Haul is behind that uh it is to the southeast just a little bit where all those Retention Ponds just north of all the where that Sandy patch is there but what's going on that corner on the on that on the corner of Silver Palm and 52 that on the Southeast corner right there as far as I know there's three lots that are for fast food or something like that that'll be right in front of the U-Haul the largest storage unit I've ever seen well uh Terry will they exit out on the 52 from those three lots on that these are uh it's a three lot commercial subdivision um they would they likely would have access but you could see on the on the Pasco mapper that there's a a tract that's been established for Ingress egress for the commercial so the access point is to the to the east towards the detention Pond there for 52 it's noted on it's the purple line on my map that's the oh right there's the oh that's another road that's going to go between the U-Haul and the other commercial and also exit onto 52 right I guess right turn only correct um what what someone saying that it's not right you can't talk from there are there any other um exit points from the property on the left no merot is a residential Road narrow residential Road and people dump out coming to and from out of they'll come in and they'll Lo they'll Loop out of the racetrack and they'll hit mkot and they'll come to the stop and then they'll cut across and then go left to get to get out and it's the same for uh the car wash there so this residential road is what it is this SE that segment of road has become you know heavily trafficked from the commercial activity that's going on here and then it it it's the only way really in and out with the residents on merot is that a private road yes well so the the access through there is you know when you come around past krack Cliff's old place then you start you know it probably wasn't as bad before that where the car wash was set vacant for a long time and then when the racetrack came it just an easier way for people to come in and out with the flow of of of traffic cuz you come in hanging right if you're coming in from the light if you're coming east you have the entrance in next to rat rat Cliff's place and then you sneak out the back it's just kind of the natural flow of how people move but it's stacked up cars

for the residential folks Paul is there a bus stop in there it's they moved I'm going off memory from when my grandmother lived back in there so so they moved it to the corner of Grovewood in okay where the loop starts okay so it's just it's a choke point really it's you know it's an older community it's been around a long time everybody that's even on the property hadn't been developed yet if they're going back West on 52 they have to come out to this intersection and go and take a left turn right and that's what causes the issue you going to add more commercial to it so it's going it's not going to get better it's going to get worse there there is not an Excel line lane either I think coming out of silver pal turning right is that right I see a you just go right on to 52 yeah there's a right turn line are we I know but people go pulling be pulling U-Haul trucks out of there they're going to pull right out on the 52 or wait for a light I I can see it I can see it being a problem getting out of there there is an easement in the back of my neighborhood if you see on my map I believe it says 40 says 41 and 42 just south of my house you see those little clocks I'm not sure exactly what that is there is that's how I that's my private drive but it's I guess so I drive down there to get out and that's where the median ends on Silver so I used to just hop the curb and gr do that anymore okay we have some other ideas Brad you have something to add to this that front portion there it is that runs behind the businesses is actually Pasco County owned but maintain privately oh so can't that's something that we do a lot of times in these types of well I feel like we should be our road are we sure because because you've been here long enough to know that the property appraiser shows us on multiple private roads somebody in real estate needs to run it down and make sure because I don't see a dedication on the plat public Mr chairman it may be but I don't see it on the plat yes Terry if I may um as a county initiated amendment to this mpud we're working with and will be working with uh stakeholders within this mpud uh a lot of the issues that have been brought up thus far are site plan related um we're going to be requiring binding concept plans for the developments that are um that are out standing within this mud if we could bring up the exhibit um that illustrates the it's a colorful exhibit kind of shows you uh what's happening within the development right now so this this image shows you the U non-residential Parcels within the mpud the pink and the orange colored Parcels are essentially Parcels that have been spoken for they have either approved uh preliminary site plans and Designs uh or their drainage plans are underway Etc so that those are already spoken for in terms of their

planning and design the green Parcels which the subjects that we've been sort of focusing on parcel number three here it was designated for either office or hotel entitlement we don't know which um will come in however we are placing a condition of approval into the mpud that will require a binding concept plan for that parcel as well as the other two green Parcels that are further to the south in order to help mitigate some of the uh design concerns within the development additionally when they do come in for preliminary site plan review they'll have to go through access management and all those types of reviews as well uh and then lastly we are also working on the blue Parcels um there we are requiring a binding concept plan when they have to come in for the for a substantial modification the condition of approval for the green Parcels will essentially say some something to the effect of what we're working on right now is for preferred uses such as office and hotel uh The Binding concept plan may be uh administratively included into the mpud and then brought to the board of County Commissioners as a noted item uh to to uh illustrate what what update has been made the mpud whereas in the blue Parcels the condition of approval will say uh Thou shalt get it approved by the board of County Commissioners as with a binding concept plan well if if I could ask I mean you you say a site plan but is that does that include any road improvements for like it'll talk about the when the site plan is under review they will take a look at the impacts to the local rways okay so we're too early here yes so on the orange and the pink actually they'll be talking about Road improvements also the on if they had any they've already they've already looked at that so the orange and pink is things that are already that have moved through Brad's shop already Mr chairman yes so so as I look at the site when I heard Hotel my first thoughts were and I've always thought this intersection would be a good place for it I just think they're picking the wrong side I'm dealing with a residential development right now next to another residential development and with the hundreds of homes coming in the impervious that's there the drainage system they got I don't think I'm sufficiently protecting the people right beside it right now and I'm dealing with that with the engineers right now I don't know that just because of our code that we have in place is going to sufficiently hold water especially if we get any major storm events even though it meets the code it doesn't mean they're going to be protected so you could be making the situation worse secondly com on out of Racetrack and I've gotten gas there many many times everybody there is going to go out to the right do the loop around because you want to take the right turn to get on the Sun Coast that's the way they're going to go yeah so you throw the hotel into that too on

that side you you're looking for a disaster um just just just it's just the wrong side for that to go in the office makes a lot more sense hotel and I love hotels as you know I just think it's the wrong side of the road that's going to cause these people never mind drainage issues they could face having the frankly having an elevation of a hotel in your backyard probably not that good either I mean I had a lady on 58 road call me with the town homes across the street she doesn't like people looking in now I get a hotel looking over so the Privacy goes away the nice character of this neighborhood which which is a beautiful neighborhood uh it really goes downhill real fast uh so I'm not going to support what I see Mr chairman yes sir well this is a county initiated rezone it was on consent it really hadn't got hasn't gotten pulled off consent we've just had a bunch of discussion but you probably need to hear from property owner's lawyer at this point so no then you need to then you need to sit down Bara will height 6327 Grand Boulevard I have had the pleasure of representing this um the master developer of this project this Project's been going on for 30 years when I was in high school and I've been representing it for about 15 years so the idea for parcel 3 was to add to it's already approved for office use it's contemplated as multi-story office use today it's been that way 2009 the idea of the master developer was to allow for a hotel use on that parcel they have talked to Hampton in we're not talking about we're talking about a very nice hotel um it would go through all the reviews it would go through access management review to answer commissioner starky's questions it's a right in right out that additional um driveway up to 52 is a right in right out um and then there is a new Dell XL Lane there were improvements that to the road when U-Haul came through there were improvements that had to be made and you just can't see it on Pasco mapper but my client has advised that those are have gone in already so again back to the hotel approved as a an office multi-story office was what contemplated um we have to go through access management review at site plan we have this extra step of a binding concept plan which the county wants us to go through but at the end of the day you know if the county doesn't want to see a Hampton Inn at the location of very close to the Fort at The Interchange you know my my client's not going to armr my client not going to arm wrestle with you all over it if that's not what you want to see there but as long as everything is done thoughtfully we go through access management we go through binding conent review we go through storm water review both with the county and Swift Mud it might actually end up being a very nice location for a Hampton in um so that's what I wanted to add um if

you had any other questions that that I can answer on behalf of the master developer of 30 years of this project I'd be happy to do that chairman yes I tend to I've not been briefed on this project that I recall this neighborhood I mean you put multistory there it's going to be overlooking whether it's office or hotel I just have a little bit of heartburn and agree with commission Mariano about the side of the road that it's on and then I also want to know if they plan on flowing that water West and adding more water if if it's if I I want to get some expert opinion if you're going to flow that water West and and have it lean more on the Hallelujah land we need to know that so we need I I need to understand what what the plan is here um so Comm I have to say be happy in between we have two hearings because this a staff initiated be happy to talk about drainage um again if if the board doesn't think that hotel is a good use there let's not let's just leave it like it is today it's office and the client can continue to try to um be able to sell it for an office use it's the multi for it's it nether one of the it's the multi the multistory component to this site which with you know it'd be in everybody's backyards that live here and this is a more World style neighborhood there's folks with horses and everything else so it's it's you're sticking of you know be like a unicorn coming into their neighborhood so I just I'd like to understand this a little bit more um before making a decision on it so what do that what is our asked for you if you could move forward if you want to give direction on the hotel we can certainly that would be fine we'd like to move forward we do have a $6 million closing pending on this um on this action um that's in Jeopardy I seem to stand up here and talk about in Jeopardy a lot um but that's you know we have two hearings to go through we have another hearing before the board that's not look I haven't been briefed on this fully and so in Jeopardy or not that's that's unfortunate situation y'all are in well yeah I didn't create that situation but okay this item got on consent because there's no no one's come before the board or anything saying that they were against this happening not to our not to staff's uh knowledge but no action is required today oh no action required so what happen this is the first of two public hearings so okay the discussion is what so this discussion with Barbara NC on this project will go forward until it comes back to the that's correct we would like to continue moving forward and I would I would think that we can between now and then you're going to try to make some changes to make sure this fits and check

with every commissioner loud and clear about hotel and drainage okay and office height the office height today in the in the in the condition is a minimum of 35 ft so it's always supposed to be multistory that again my client's been really clear we're not going to arm wrestle over this parcel 3 um right you know if there's concerns regarding it's the neighborhood now that has grown up around I mean this has been going on for 30 years we get that addressed we just ask if we could just stay on the hearing schedule please yeah because you don't have to take action I don't have a problem with that but up to the board for motion or does or he doesn't take a motion doesn't take a motion just stays in and I mean then you promise to get with all the Commissioners and make sure absolutely their concerns are if they're not addressed then at the next hearing you could not take action or continue it again but okay and can we find out about mercot way with um if it's ours or theirs and um coming out of merot onto Silver Palm is that a traffic circle stop signs what what is what controls traffic right there four-way stop two-way stop morot stops going on to Silver pal yeah the traffic circles are to the South it's just a widened area for a U-turn yeah all right car with cars parked in it yeah but Mr chairman I'm sure it looks different now so if you so try to imagine all those 8 12 gas pumps whatever it is every one of is going to be taking a right pretty much they're coming down to that Circle and they're going to swing back out and around and I'm going to ask you if we're going to look at this to go down the road if you think that the best of the Swift Mud and stormw Regulators we have in order are going to protect the people beside it I'm going to actually you go down to carella drive go talk to the residents there that just having a road built beside them where Kella drive it's over on Shady Hills they've raised the road up about 6 feet from what I can see it's now blocking any water flow from going around it it's now trapping all the water from around in the pond that they built three giant ponds in the back crosses the road connects underneath to a level with only two foot of storage for all that overflow that may happen there's no pipes the road there's no there's pipes going underneath but it connects from one pipe to the other pipe and the bottom is the same height if a big storm hits when a lot of impervious out there like we just had to me that's going to go in there it's going to go right over to the yard please go look at K Drive you'll see what I mean that's not this project no it's not but what the I'm bringing it up to you is because you we always hear about the code's going to protect our people from flooding besided because we got these storm water protections I'm telling you right now if you go look at that you go look what could happen here you could get the same thing our codes our regulations do not protect us enough we got to take an

extra step to really look at this to see if it fits and I promised you and I promised you that we will do that we've heard we've heard your concern about the use on parcel 3 I'm waiting I'm waiting to hear your concerns are our concerns be met and I didn't swear myself in but I you need to be sworn in right here do you swear firm that the testimony you are about to give is the TR so have your god thank you your name and address for the record please Mr George Nicholas I live at 12322 Castle wary Lane Shady Hills Florida on 52 we've owned this property we closed on it in 1988 we've carried this thing an awful long time we pay lot of taxes to this County we put in a four lane road into into silver Pond to get back to the houses that we built in the back there so we've got adequate roadway you know you got four lanes coming in that goes to three lanes goes in front of the fire station that y'all put in so the project that we want to get closed on was already approved by the county because they made an error in the zoning they said and they wanted to fix it okay I didn't create the error staff created the error for some reason we don't know some people left some somehow that somebody dropped the ball all right our developers already spent almost a million dollars in design bu you know doing and it's been approved and we wanted to close this thing in June now it's costing us a $1,000 a day to carry the the debt that we the money we would have had $1,000 they plus expenses so six months of that it gets costly all right we try to do everything the way we're supposed to do it I don't we propose to do a hotel on that site I don't care whether we do a hotel on that site or not if that's a problem we won't do that okay but we're just trying to come up with the highest and best use for the land like any person in the development business we're not here to D to flood anybody but we've put drainage if you look at the drainage ponds we put in there take a look at that stuff move it over you can see now is those drainage ponds or not there's like 25 acres of it plus the plus plus you got um the the state put a pond on our side when they took the ride away from us years ago so we've got a lot of drainage here the problem with a lot of the stuff that's to the to the east of it or to the west of us is a lot of its old built stuff and it's not built to the right height I can't make that work I if they had a flood issue before how's it going to be any better now I mean I understand but we're g we have to hold that water on our side we can't just pour dump it over and we can't prevent it from going where it's supposed to be going because you can't change the flow right Mr engineer you cannot change the flow of water it's got to go there but we don't want to flood anybody so if it needs another a bigger pipe maybe that galvanized pipe is probably crushed or is not clean that may be where the problem is you know I don't know that anybody looked at that but we could sure willing to take a look

at it and see if it needs anything it's galvaniz it probably needs to be replaced and I've already got pipes sitting on on the supposed Hotel site that we couldn't use out on 52 because we had a conflict we had to use a plastic pipe instead of the concrete pipe so if if they need to improve that drainage we don't have a problem trying to help them out with that but we have a pending contract that we need to get passed we can argue about all these issues later because they really has nothing to do with the project that we already we already have that you already approved okay thank you thank you okay there's no action today move forward to U p86 or 80 excuse me yeah p86 yep which that concludes the zonings corre that concludes the zonings correct yeah p86 proof of publication in the Tampa Bay Times September 11th of this year here's unders sherff coming to see us welcome Chase hey good afternoon Commissioners uh Chase Daniels Pasco Sheriff's Office 8661 citizens Drive Newport Richie uh we appreciate your uh your consideration of this grant today this is a grant for $118,000 or 8,530 which includes all cost overtime and benefit for a gang suppression detective uh there is no cash match required by the county this is uh provided through the US Department of Justice it is a grant that we've pursued and and taken part in for the last several years and again specific to uh gang suppression activity in Pasco County and we appreciate your consideration legislatively uh public comment is required and that's the that's the step we're taking today so we appreciate your consideration okay Mr chairman yes sir you notice he only comes up for the easy stuff I I I'm always here for commissioner always here for you what's a what's a suppression uh so it's a gang suppression gang suppression yes yes ma'am so so it'll specifically work with our vice in Narcotics uh on gang suppression and limiting gang recruitment yes ma'am but they have to have a public comment time and that's what this is today they have to go through that and inform everybody what's happening yes sir thank chair Mr Daniels what's your what's your title for the record uh unders Sheriff community outreach operations I think that's the first time I wasn't I wasn't I thought under sure that's that's a weird title well that's okay we haven't we have under administrators right here under administrator Mr chairman why don't you take public comment this yes okay thank you is anybody here to speak to this item we have no one signed up and no one on signed up no one online move approval okay I don't do we need action or do we I don't think we do do we yes they need approval of the public okay I got a motion a second all in favor just say I I I it passes 4 Z we'll go from there

now ordinary business and if you got a lot trim it down to a little we're getting out of here earlier than I thought we would well we're not through your stuff yet so I don't know I can keep you as long as you want I'm sorry I'm to the point all right Mr waitman thank thank you chair um well first I'll just start with just saying to uh Mike County Administration County Attorney's Office Commissioners everybody in here thank you for all your hard work there is no stuff stud no class really you can take to prepare for how to manage uh one hurricane let alone two within a couple week time period but there's a lot that I think there's a lot of you know as much as there's been all the challenges and turmoil and loss there's there's an opportunity for this government to learn quite a bit from living through a 100-year rain event and how to plan in the future moving forward and just watching everything that was happening my PR in the morning were beginning you know Lord willing and the creek doesn't rise and the creek kept keeps rising and so when we look at the the path of the water we pumped thanks to Jason mckl and his team out on air and cut off we've moved a million and a half gallons of water since Thursday just to keep Aaron cut off open and that's a main vein to get from 41 to 52 in the water flowing through conon and conon is one of those projects I just use this as an example it's it's in its final believe it's its Final Phase it's a project that's been approved years and years ago but I think we need to take a look at these these projects that aren't finished yet to see the path of this water and determine uh if it's still appropriate to continue moving forward what we might need to do how we understand you know what needs to happen I mean for example if if Aaron cut off for to have a failure like Curly Road and other roads there's you it's the long way around because the Cure Parkway extension you know is not necessarily scheduled to be built to connect Parkway and 41 to 52 so when you look at the flow of water we need to I I'd really like to understand and you know while it's still up there if we get the the experts and the engineers to take a look at hey is it appropriate to continue on this direction here in this particular area and other projects that are going on so when we look at qu Hollow I mean we had Rapids running through qu Hollow and we know water flows through there pretty heavily it was pretty wild to see Cypress Creek as heavy as it was and we know the water flows South through Cypress Creek flooding an enclave and on down through the mall but there's also a th000 Acres the Soho project for example uh that Swift Mud does have an interest in and maybe the county zand property might be having in how's that

play into the bigger picture of to alleviate flooding within the area is there a potential that hey these are these properties that don't have anything going on on them are they the solution to our problem and we can now I think if we get that right people in the room the experts that we can really see in real life application with how water flows are hey if we put some something we don't put something there what's you know is it going to is the water going to stack up what's the natural flow we're not going to impede the flow of water or is it appropriate to build new things or how we finish or close out projects that are currently approved I know there's a bunch of sticky wickets in those because the the the legal nuances of approvals and everything that goes in into them State statutes but I think it's really important that we use this time not just in a cleanup effort but we find find a way to go on offense and to take a look at how this water is holding and puddling I mean there's houses that are flooded that aren't in a flood zone and the water's just pulled there and that's at no fault to that homeowner I don't know if there's a fault to blame anywhere it's just something that happened but if we identify Mike whatever the the technology you have that overlay that you're seeing where water is puddling and flooding how do we use this information in the future to make the right decisions and then how do we manage it going forward so tough situations all the way around I think obviously I think there needs to be a renewed effort into uh commissioner starky's volume on her phone to turn it down but but a But A Renewed effort into you know I don't know if we who we partner with and talking with all the cdds and HOAs to have an idea of the county should understand as a partner government when last time you had your storm water system scoped and looked at and renewed is it is it a problem that's not necessarily the County's lines that are backing up water is it in this in the cdds I think communication within our our water infrastructure system I think there needs to be a new level of of communication and how the cdds that we have communicate with the county because when we have these major storm events and all a sudden water pumps up but there's no record of I'm not going to name any specific community that hasn't been clean the the the infrastructure hasn't been maintenanced or cleaned out in 10 15 20 years you know in Lake pageant uh East the folks all along the creek side I've talked to folks that lived there for 43 years and they've never had water now they got six feet of water in their house we go and we try to understand the culs along the sides of the road some of them are galvanized some of them are supposed to be homeowner maintained the county said what's on County right away but homeowners have to do it and it cost the homeowner a pile of money it's just old stuff that's been there a long time and

uh the action came and there were failures across the board and so we see it and we understand it and I think we need to find a way to to to the older communities and even the newer communities find a way to schedule and understand where these sticking points are it's a big big job it's probably going to take several years to to understand and connect all the dots but I think we need to have a renewed effort in doing um you know that best management practice across the board and then also um East Pasco landscape has lost a tremendous amount of Oaks generational oak trees that your grandkids my kids you know my great grandparents saw my grandparents grew up with they're gone and so I've reached out to Ed bluml commissioner Simpson's office to try to find out if there's a way way uh programs out there to help with replanting efforts of Oaks and to have people not be afraid because there's folks all around they want to chop down every oak tree in their yard now because of this and uh I don't necessarily think that's a healthy approach um so to restore you know trees and hopefully you know a couple Generations from now we'd be able to replant some some trees some good Oaks Live Oaks that to replace the ones that we've we've lost lost um you know Pasco County's it's its Landscapes forever change from this storm uh if you go east and it's it's sad to see but there's opportunity to replant replant in the right way so I'd like to find a way Grant monies or whatever uh to have people you know replant or the county replant and you know they're expensive but to find a way to not put that entire cost on the homeowner so as we're going through Grant applications and trees soak up water they drink a lot of water too and I think a lot of people don't realize with those trees is these trees probably saved quite a bit of homes cuz they took the beating from the wind and they took the hit for the homeowner if it didn't fall on their house it could have protected them in ways that we'll never know so anyway just a lot of big big picture thoughts and out there to to look at going forward and I hope rest of the board members have similar thoughts and kind of agree to go through this exercise um you know you know and just appreciate everybody hanging tough and working hard and cleaning up the mess and you know and um thank you to your families too for allowing you all to do your jobs and uh hanging tough with you as they may be cleaning up your own mess and your own lives while you're out here serving serving the people of Pasco County so it doesn't go unnoticed by me and uh appreciate all of you all very very much thank you chair um Mr before we go to the next person yes yes uh I was just notified by the team that you didn't take a motion on 84 what the item that was one that was on consent then you got we got tied up with the objector to 85 so I don't think you've taken action

on 84 which was the consent item that nobody objected to move to approve item 84 did but okay second I got a motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 Z thank you and for we did it so oh I forgot one other thing uh before I let Mr Wayman speak um we've been through a an event of 200 years or more and unprecedented water that nobody ever expected and a lot of things don't work the same as they always did because of that unexpected storm events that we've had uh I've been here for 79 years and I've never seen anything like this ever so a lot of things play into into this disaster we've just had in our County so and with that I limit everybody to five minutes um Gina I I was trying to keep IDE I was trying to keep the volume off of my phone but were you able to get my okay you don't have to were you really you don't have to I I don't know why every time I hit it the volume would shoot back up again it was getting Lou it doesn't matter if you play the volume or not it's just but this is my flooding photo I didn't I can show you my Gul Harbor's house but no not that I just sent you a video not no that's not it either okay it's an email that just I would have just came but when I look I can't tell if it went through or not all right um okay I'm going to uh continue with you on the tree situation and of course you know I've always been the tree Advocate um and last year we started back on giving trees out on Arbor Day and um I paid for some and the county paid for some um but I would suggest that we you know double our efforts they're not very big and maybe we can talk about getting bigger trees but uh um there is money for tree giveaways and it typically happens on an Arbor Day all around the country so something we can build on um but I'd love to see those oak trees come back uh okay so you can't show that video okay um this is a fact when um we did a field trip to look at the living shore line that they got grant money for after of the The Spill um do you have the picture of the water no there so um that was our Veterans Memorial Park that's along the waterline there um this is what they have two of these and they got they got grant money for this and they built they built up these little islands and then they um brought in these um I don't know what you even call them there's con these line looking things there's concrete on there and then they put other stuff on top that got um oyster beds to grow on it and it has totally Protected Their Shoreline and they they have two of these and they're getting ready to do another one very successful full of fish and it um Jack have you ever seen these because I know we've talked about them but this is the first time I've ever I ever saw one I have I I wouldn't mind seeing one now that the storm's gone through though to see what actually what the effect was yeah and uh well this is in this is in Pensacola um do you have the video of the of the water so that's

just a short little video of this water what P or picture that that's that's it looking out um those are the grass beds uh interesting birds don't make a nest Nest on there because they said it's Critters come would come and eat the eggs so they so it's Bird free but um anyway they have two giant installations of that in Pensacola and it's pretty yeah and it's done a great job of protecting them um so that was very interesting okay I got a um I got this is a a trip we did to The Institute for human and machine cognition and um those are like it's like an Iron Man suit some some of them have obviously have defense capabilities and we didn't go into that section but this is for people who have um injuries and so they can walk and move around again and also for for certain kind of jobs uh very very fascinating stuff and um they were very interested in amskills and and partnering with us too so we're going to um invite them down and they're very interested in maet they've got this whole other section that does very uh Advanced SCI scientific research and um I've been reading about them for years that they got a lot of funding from the leg legislature and I always heard about them so I was excited to uh to be able to go visit them okay what other pictures are on there that that's that I don't know I have those pictures keep going I don't if I oh so uh commissioner joerger and I um got into some some Swift boats with our firemen from Long View Texas and um uh Jimmy petronis I guess he's not in these pictures this is kind of a Miss Mash of pictures um so on the left is us going down elfers Parkway and once again we have homes where the water was up to their windows and above an alfor Parkway and this has happened multiple times so I don't know how those mobile homes are still there um but it you can't you can't even tell that's a road you could not tell where any of the roads were they had these sticks in front of them big poles and they were you know trying to keep us safe as we were we were boating down the road commissioner Jer I did not put the picture in here of you and the chickens do you have that I do have that I accidentally deleted mine um but while we were getting ready to go into our boats um uh up comes a little John Boat with a a couple and about I don't know how many chickens were in there um that they rescued out of a tree and since this one used to have chickens she just grabbed a chicken and put it right into the truck I'm not touching wild chicken so um it was it was really funny uh but it was so cool to meet those guys from Texas and um and uh we're we're just grateful that all those First Responders came that's um Governor DeSantis up above when he came to zeper Hills and uh and that was my first view of some of those oak trees you can't see it in this picture but you can see that one oak tree standing up there but behind him was mass destruction of oak trees in that in that

that area um so um I got a I got a request from a resident who lives on buddy Lake also I it connects somehow to Lake Pasadena yes M Oakley it does yes um we have an ordinance against airboats on some Lakes on Bell Lake Cruz lake lake Thomas and cherry lake you know that's getting ready to be a a park uh on Lake Pasadena and Buddy Lake and um a passive and active Park in apparently someone's zipping around there in a very loud airboat and I wanted to um know how we go about adding that Lake as a lake that has airbats prohibited on frankly I don't think any boats inside the County District I I'll check that up yeah I I don't think any Lake should have an airbat on it personally do you know how loud those things are disagree with that I so loud I believe you're preempted well these like these legs don't have them on there I believe you're preempted by state law to regulate air boats but I will check on that okay how old's the ordinance I don't section 11447 it should say at the air boats prohibited on certain lakes does it say at the bottom B I don't have a date what was the number again uh section 11447 okay we had someone come in an airboat behind our house in Gul Harbors about 10:00 at night one night just doing donuts and was out there for about an hour everybody came out of their houses and yelling at him which kept him from doing more and more um and uh I had said my comments this morning but I just wanted to um thank everybody for all the hard work we're not done yet um but um wow I think we came through with flying colors when you think about two hurricanes in 13 days I mean has anyone ever gone through anything like that that's why we have all this water and we're unique in our County that we have three Lakes Three Rivers going through it is there any other County that has three rivers going through it maybe up in the Panhandle maybe so we stand out in that regard thank you very much thank you m Jagger I'm just waiting see what pops up first okay so we went out to Moon Lake um the first time we went out we just were delivering supplies and food and everyone kind of stayed in their cars and kind of received us at a distance and then um this Amy sari she donated 30 pizzas and and fed everyone and then later Ed from Grace's food pantry delivered um 150 m so we were able to like give them dinner for the next night so then fast forward the next week I think it's the next slide um uh red tree landscaping and AirHeads donated a food truck oh that's awesome so everybody came out we had a speaker they were having like lips sync battles and um everybody having a great time music was playing and um it was like the whole Community came out and um it was just it was was just really a a magical night and they had a great time um just to

kind of forget about everything they had gone through so very excited to be doing um work in Moon Lake um oh yeah this was also that's my little buddy there Maverick I just saw him last week okay and um I recently had the pleasure of spending the morning as a guest speaker at Discovery child care and learning which is part of seroma speech and hearing Foundation literacy program so that was super fun and I had all my little preschool friends which I love so I want to go back and do it again all right and this guy Bob so he was a veteran in one of our mobile home communities our team really focused on mobile home communities and um my poor girls they were seven days a week but um We rescued this guy his name is Bob he's a veteran and he uh actually went to the hospital and they said an hour later he would have died so um he is now he's doing amazing do we have another slide of Bob that's how we found him got him a haircut and this is what he looks like now so he's a totally different person um he's full of life super happy um and he's just thriving so he went from not doing well to doing amazing so um our team we've just been focusing on um finding pockets of people so there's a lot of people in mobile home parks and that's a whole other battle because they are um the the the people that own the parks aren't letting um the county in to pick up the garbage and um they're trying to evict their citizens so it's it's really a mess they don't know if their units are going to be condemned or not um a lot of them don't have power I think we're going to have a a big issue uh with our seniors and Kathy and her team to say they've been amazing is not even it doesn't even do it justice so um as Kathy says I give her friends and they have been housing them and kind of just um doing wraparound services so I really appreciate that and I look forward to um helping more of our seniors in our County so um and that's it for district four all right thank you y Mr Marano thank you Mr chairman and I want say Lis I do appreciate your stepping in to fill that pocket for both Katherine and I in our districts were just just so much going on so you're filling that in you're doing a phenomenal job so we greatly appreciate that uh with our district going up and down it's just we just kind of go from spot to spot uh I think all our our our our team members are doing a great job helping coordinate meals and whatever and uh the community just been amazing our staff has worked so hard all they just keep going they just keep and nobody they just keep going it's awesome uh I just want to show you a quick picture here this is over in Beacon Woods you can see it from 5A going uh Hudson Avenue going across I told you like some if I was worried about the trees that may fall in a storm event when they got really big well at the bottom of the Lakes right there with the water coming in they're even falling now so um I haven't talked with uh the president there but I will and I'll talk

with farway O to have him just kind of take a close look at this because they still have time to talk to the developer about clearing those things out but just so you could see this is the type of thing I was worried about if those trees were a lot bigger it'd be a lot more expensive to get rid of so I'm just trying to protect them but uh all in all I just like to say you know uh Kevin Kevin plisa new to the position uh what a phenomenal job he's been doing John Batista Tim Trester in the EOC getting stuff done coordinating with everything that's going on and this coordination effort is going to keep on going they are doing a phenomenal job as is all the team Kathy I know you're slammed JP I know you're busy as heck and um you know just with with everybody doing everything they possibly can I'm going to tell you I and I'm sure you guys see it as well the community just appreciates it uh everybody wants more more but I think we're we're really tracking the right way so I'm proud of everybody here everybody that that works with us and again the community that we have coming together with an event like this is just it's just so inspiring two events two events yeah um commiss Oakley I had two photos that I neglected to show I'm sorry you can't see the video but I sent it to all of you to your phones um so five minutes right five minutes uh I've been help helping feed uh the folks in A Place in the Sun and and we we are connecting with a Christian organization that will go in and help them clean up uh because their Clubhouse they haven't even begun to remediate there was mold they had all these books that were getting moldy and in their bookshelves they didn't touch anything and it it it was horrible but that's their Clubhouse you can see the water line kind of on the side there um I really didn't want to spend a lot of time in there i' got them to eat their lunch outside of the building but my son and I actually made them a curry and um a chicken curry and uh brought it over Sunday um and our staff was in there two days thank you joh I think John John has left but um it was a private road but it wasn't gated and let me tell you the people were walking down the street on their walkers and the stuff was blown into the road so I'm just so grateful they went in there and they got most of it but some of the people like put the trash in their carport and there was no way no way for the arm to get in there so we'll have to get community people to go in there and help them but um Lisa thank you for keeping an eye out on that Community too yeah so that's oh here it is this is my this is my Arista house um so you know people Thousand Oaks people you got nothing on me um and that's filled with my stuff from my boat house that I had to evacuate so you can't tell that's my driveway it got 14 inches in my garage but you know what I'm not blaming the county that the River overflowed its banks did it get in your house no I built my house high I went three foot I

I did three courses of brick High to get out of the 100-year flood plane so um you can see it covered my first step and but but it did not get in the house but you know I don't expect you to find an answer to hold back back a river I don't and um so I just I just wanted to show you then the storm start sure you couldn't control that 15 ft coming in there's no way to control but I'm I'm going to be building a new house out there and I'm going to be build it to the FEMA flood regulations and I'm not going to have a heart attack and have to pack it up next time I'm going to build up and build safe um you know we're at 49% penel county is at went a FEMA CRS rating to they're at 30% so if your house received 30% of of damage you're done so imagine all those homes on the bar is I which my son's house was one of them so oh uh did you find out what that foam was was that poisonous that foam in Gulf Harbors that was coming out of that storm drain fire retardant coming off the golf course okay the people there need to know right away because it's blowing down the street if it's if it's toxic or not for some reason they're saying it's toxic guys there's a there is a um I didn't send you a picture but where they're draining the water off the golf course uh where it goes into a a storm drain pipe and it and it's supposed to flow under the street into the canal on the east side where the storm drain is across the street it is foaming like a bubble bath and just blowing in down the street in people's yards i' never see anything like it yeah for record Jason Mel Public Works director um CHR starky I received the information this morning um we sent crews out this morning and I I haven't heard back yet as to what what they found normally I'm not saying that's this what it is but in conditions like this you could see detergents that leak um into the community that then can get agitated and foam you could also see that were fire retardant Solutions like where you have fires in a neighborhood put the fire out the stuff gets coming from the golf course agitated also for lack of a better word dead stuff when it decomposes can cause foam as well like fish and other things in the system so we're looking into it um right now I don't know I don't I don't have an answer for you but I'll get i'll get but someone's checked it out today we are yep crew are out there today what do you do take the foam and then do a they'll probably work with our with our lab to try to get a to try to get a sample all right thank you okay y okay all right Mr cabala thank you uh first board I appreciate all the accolades towards the team here I I know it's it's certainly appreciated and they they know you support them so I thank you for that three three really quick things first commissioner waitman to your earlier points and your comments I think it was very very thoughtful conversation and

you're right it is a Sticky Wicket when it comes to uh approved development and and those things on the books however I would just like to remind the board too that we have the storm water master plan that is underway Mr ML and I spoke extensively during the during the course of the storms about accelerating the pace of of that to try to get answers and projects on the books that hopefully we will be able to bond in the future to to to make real real progress but also I wonder and I'm just I'm just kind of throwing this out to the board here is that there are a number of storm water regulations Swift Mud regulates and things out there if it would be good to perhaps use one of our Workshop sessions to sit down and talk about storm water regulations what's out there and educate and and you know learn because as times change and things evolve you know I'm I'm looking at Living shorelines as examples of things that are resiliency projects and you know perhaps The New Normal is Shifting in terms of strength and severity of Storms and it's just an opportunity to have a conversation and education and and perhaps throw new ideas out there um to talk about because as you point out commissioner I do think this is something that does take years to evolve but and that Evolution has to start somewhere so perhaps that is something the board may be interested in and if so happy to try to facilitate that M chairman yes yeah I think I think it's a great idea I I think and and we talked and commissioner wa I'm glad you brought it because this is a great time to get information like you'll never get again and this may be the extreme of everything but at least you know from the core you can look at I mean I when I first started every time we looked it was after 2004 I looked at every every zoning was coming in I was looking what flooded what didn't every single time it came on there and finally we I think things got addressed fairly well but I think it's really good to look at it because literally uh going out to that Kella Drive I encourage all of you to go there when I look at that site and I have this engineer telling me how this is okay and that's going to be protected when they don't factor in any of the uh pervious that can absorb the water and now that's going to be gone and I'm going to have a few hundred homes in there creating more impervious it's going to come it's going to come quick on a rapid storm I I I don't buy the formula that they're going to be okay and for them to be able to raise a road to one side go to the other side it's something really we need to like pay attention like never before because I I know we've all heard it you heard about froma people from eron cut off you know too much going on too much going on we can make it all work extreme events are going to be blown up but at least Le we got to make sure we're making every event we can to the minimal and I'm just saying from what I saw what this engineer was telling me he says he's Justified I'm G to have my team look at it our team look at it but I I I suggest you guys look at it too I think

it's a great idea Mike yeah I appreciate what you're saying and the fact is and Mike knows this too that GIS reports on on where we are right now with the waters and the flood waters uh we're taking note of that and we we're taking pictures to know where it's at so that's going to help us in the future I think so with a lot of things because we haven't seen War this height so okay thank you sir uh the last last two items I don't think I necessarily need a motion but other than just maybe some tacit head nods on a letter I'd like to send um worked with Jeff's team to pen a letter to uh state Florida Department of of Emergency Management kind of just codifying our understanding of certain actions that we've taken with solid waste and debris Management in terms of our contracts uh we just like to pen it uh just to make sure we've we've kind of sent our our understanding forward to the state uh with regards to that just have it signed by the chair there something yeah you you need a motion to authorize the chair to sign the letter to Mr gri in that case I would I would seek a motion to have this letter that we've pinned and I'll get a copy of it to all of you to it's basically factual documentation of what we've understood through conversations with the state regarding some of our debris uh contracts so move p a motion so moved Mar y I got a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 Z next thing thank you sir and this the last one is is more of a walk-on agenda item you have a copy of this um um there it's it's um file number CD 250023 delegation of authority to execute satisfaction of mortgages so um on November 1st we are slated to close on the car's facility in Dade City right uh the board recently approved that in August you've also approved $1.3 million from the state which will take over to complete construction of that there are still a number of leans on the property uh that need to be cleared so in order for carers to clear those leans they are selling another asset their facility on clock tower um so they have some liquidity to go ahead and and pay off those leans among other among other business debts the county does hold sublimes through some former CBG um mortgages that are on the clock tower facility one for 260,000 which dates back to 2006 a couple of recent ones for 30,000 but um those were those were federally donated dollars I think the the the purpose of those mortgages has been satisfied and I'm I'm basically asking uh the authority to be delegated to me to satisfy those mortgages uh that way those incumbrances can be released and we can move on with the closing M chairman yeah I have a question so I saw I saw that and I wanted I'm glad we're discussing cuz I I didn't I don't know if I'm really fully comfortable with just forgiving it as you're I think as you're saying to wave it I'm not even sure that's legal it so we go ahead Kathy all right so what we're looking to do is on the mortgages for the cares in

in Clock Tower we're not looking to get paid on it to forgive it so we don't own the building at clock towers but we do have these leans on it and in order for us to close on the other property over in Dade City they they need to pay these leans off and so they're using some of the sale money to pay these leans off and therefore we are going to forgive these on them so wait can can you not use they can you not use pronoun so I'm I'm clear cares cares we're buying a building from cares in dat City no this is the this is the building that was that they didn't get that we got that they transfer are going to be trans transferring to us to complete it for a senior center okay which building has the mortgages on it the clock tower has this particular cdbg mortgages on it but the cdb whatever um my understanding from using th getting those grants is they have to be it has to be used in for the same purpose um I'm not Mar maybe you can come I mean we have a cdbg Grant on skills and if we ever sell that building it has to go to be used for the same purpose the loan is the mortgage is Forgiven in 30 years this was I think we have 18 years on it right now so it isn't a full 260 I think when you say we do you mean the cdbg grant still has County yes the county the cdbg county okay and who and we're buying out that Grant on the clock tower that's Mr Mr chairman it's not making if I let me let me let me try Okay they ran into trouble in the senior center the state asked us to take it out city in dat city right take it over right it is lean to the hilt they are trying to sell Clock Tower to pay off those leans otherwise those leans become yours okay but to the with the cdbg grants those have restrictions on them that's true the the the Marcy you can come up and explain but she can waiver these at the board of the county commissioner's direction we can waiver these otherwise we're going to have to go through the court process oh I did not know you could wave those I haven't ever heard her say that I thought that was a federal thing Marcy esberg director of Community Development so the mortgages that we put on any cdbg Grant over a certain amount uh is part of the way we do business here in Pasco County it is not a HUD requirement we do it because uh that's the way our our office has been funded for years and we turn the money back into the community so that it could continue to be used for low and moderate income persons so uh so the board has the right to forgive those uh so you know so yes the restrictions that are on the building in clock Tower are just the same as you would have seen on the amp skills and so that's why this is coming to the board is because the then the board has the right to say We'll forgive these okay I never heard that we could forgive Mr chairman yes sir I mean I have a problem putting both of these together so let's talk about just Dade City first so Dade

City we we took over the building did we take over the leans too we haven't so in City they need to sell their Clock Tower to pay off the leans so we can take the building over on November 1st free and clear all right so let's talk about why are we doing these two separate transactions help me so we are not so yeah to answer your first question we have not taken over yet the boards agreed to the sale and purchase agreement that was back in August to purchase or to take over the facility that transfer comes with all of these leans the state went through a special appropriation to provide 1.3 million to the county uh to complete the construction essentially of of the facility and pay the leans the leans are separate no the leans were not part of the calculus so so cares is leveraged to the hilt and so you know if they don't sell the clock tower facility I will tell you this they again they will likely end up in Bank bankruptcy that this was discussed previously uh if they end up in bankruptcy then all assets become part of the bankruptcy proceedings in the court and you probably won't see the car's facility in Dade City coming to us as well because they can do I think a 90-day look back I think too right so we'll we'll be stuck in this the most expedient thing at this point is to forgive the leans is to forgive the mortgages and move on so we can accomplish the the um I don't like it you don't have to like it but it's it's quite honestly the most pragmatic thing to do under the circumstances yeah yeah it's it's not something you have to do but I would not advise closing on the senior center in Dade City unless those leans are cleared because you inherit more liability than you do so so about paper thing really so the so Theo the proceeds from the closing at KES and clock tower is going to pay off the leans over in dat City that's right San Antonio Credit Union and the contractor will be PID will be made whole on the senior center that title will come to us clear free and clear at least that's the way this transaction is set up if we don't take our 260,000 and and 30,000 or whatever those numbers were uh on clock tower because then they can use 100% of the process proceeds from that transaction to pay those two creditors off on Dat City cares can be another conversation about what what what are they doing what are they going to do because I don't want that money disappearing either to some of their thing Park Tower sold the building to a sober house living facility we take over the date city building during closing November 1st and they have nothing to do with that senior center in date City anymore we take over the seniors in they area because that that would have stayed with them forever and then eventually goes away so I I I get it and I would move approval

yeah I need I got a motion I'll second I got a second all those in favor say I I I I I okay pass 5 Z is that everything mik yes sir Mr Stein Steiner to answer commissioner starky's earlier question um the ordinance was passed in 2006 at least its last revision uh chapter 32760 local regulations state [Music] says that you can adopt a local ordinance but you may not discriminate against Airboats for ordinances adopted after July 1st 2006 and here's the caveat unless adopted by 2third vote of the governing body enacting such ordinance so I recall there was a preemption the preemption can be overridden by 2third vote so you could act you based on what I'm reading here I think we could add that PL I think a lake that's a bordering a park should be airboat free and most of that I mean and that that lake is in a bowl so it must just reverberate like crazy in there so well there's a in buddy Lake there's a sinko yeah so it took a lot of water out of that yeah it's not that's not a water body I think be having an air boat on it so I would like for us to suggest that well I don't want to fight with my rural Neighbors in East Pasco County because a lot of them have air boats a lot of them have air boats on that lake is it no I'm just talking about that one Lake not other Lake there there's public access to that Lake there is public access for fishing in that Lake pass I don't care I'm fine with fishing I know you don't fish in that uh an airboat well there's there's a lot of people that legally have air boats should be able to use them that's going to be one heck of a park out there it's not going to be in the park so be abing the park um can I just share it's two seconds go ahead um we cannot end this meeting without a big thank you to this guy who visited 911 and uh everybody in the Emergency Center so he brought brought a lot of smiles and um I think he brought a lot of Joy so and he brought 5 lbs to everyone's waistline with ice cream on his birthday yeah is he gonna have training and I believe he's the official County dog now um that reminds me do we have an update on our our Deputy excuse me Mr Mariana I believe you raised your hand uh I was just going to ask that maybe it'd be good to have that ordinance sent to all of us so we take a look at it yeah we can all look at it see you I want to see it just see it okay as as it exists we're not oh as it exists you don't want me to draft one no no no no no just as it is yeah not not a problem okay and I've allowed myself 30 minutes no I'm not spending 30 minutes talking about things but the fact of it is we went through hurricane Helen hurricane Milton everybody knows it everybody's heard it uh just on and on I've been out talking to people I went

to The Enclave where that area in The Enclave development is a bowl and that water rushed in there and we were able to with the help of State guard to save a lot of people in that area like 288 people I think they moved out of that area when it was flooding and no one was injured and I there may be some houses in in flood waters I mean in the got flooded but when I was out there that day most people said they didn't get flooded there so but the war was up it's like a bowl inside the development so and that water came over in and then flooded like a pond so but 288 people were moved and then I was over at the U outlet mall and I got be in one of those I think they call a fat truck or toy truck but I was able to travel on one of those with the state guard went out in through the pond to the backside of the Allen Mall the water at that point in time that we were in was u a part of those flood waters but fact of it is it had to travel or gain five or six feet before it got up to Road level and I at that point I just never realized that uh that actually the mall would flood and it looks like they built them all up enough that that that didn't happen so but the Builders of that were I guess looking at the 100e flood plant whatever but it was well taken care of so I'm not going to say it'll never flood before again because there's always that chance of getting a 300 year or 400 year storm in our area but uh it hasn't this time um I've worked with the people there they live in Hickory Hill been trying to pump water over the old railroad track bed over there I've worked on that since I was at Swift mut in 2007 till now and um I think when it's all first started I was the only one there are some people in east side of the county seab barn that realized we put we put pumps here at one time or other to pump water over because there's a there's a call there that if it would if it was and I try to get permission from the EV Evans Family if it was set even a foot lower those homes would have never got flooded if that covered but that didn't happen but they gave me permission to pump over and we did that up and the point of all the river was flowing into date City and we couldn't pump any more over because we would just continuously uh flood neighbors out there and we didn't want to do that and we didn't do that so but a lot of people even though it's happened on the west side with everything they have is kind of a little different than on the east side where we're bit higher in some areas cuz we're on the Brooksville Ridge um so we got Hil Hills and things of that nature even though we got the river and that over there too we um have a lot of beautiful 150 year old Oaks and all that didn't make it through the storm and it's this is not the first time we've lost a lot of big Oaks but a lot of Oaks have been planted before and they'll be planted after this so they're very Majestic and very beautiful oak trees um and they're they got to be 150 to 200 years old as huge as they are and just

to let you know that uh my plans at U historic Courthouse will be to take the oak that I was afraid to was going to come down on the World War II Memorial after we kind of settle the dust here with we're going to take that oak tree down and then needs to it's fixing the following a World War II Memorial keep it from I mean a big limb a big limb came off I heard about it I was afraid it was going to be in that Memorial and I got there and it was not so be thankful then that it didn't happen we can take that tree down and uh it looks like we're going to come back in with some uh maybe some cabbage Palms that's a state tree we look back in history and and in front of the courthouse in history back maybe 50 years ago or so it had cabbage BMS in front of that Courthouse you go and they're in the picture so we might to straighten that up but we got to take that tree out we've been told by by AR yeah that actually that tree has been needing to come down for quite a while so we we going to have to do this just letting you know so but um then we all went to went to a uh had a big discussion at St Leo University and discussed a lot of things happening around the state in the county and uh very very informative U presentation from myself Danny Burgis Randy magard uh Seth you were there too right yeah Seth was there also yeah but it was very informative meeting and and a lot of people got information they didn't have it so those kind of things are very important um I I can't thank each and every one of you my board members and county attorney's office Mike and all your staff and all of our employees all over the county for what they've done during this time because um thank you just doesn't sound good enough but I'm telling you it's it it's well noticed not just with us but but others in our Tri count or I guess Tri County Area of uh are the stampa Bay Region with with Hillsboro Pine housee and Pasco County people notice when you carry out the right kind of job for your county and they have noticed Pasco County has done just that so uh I think I don't know what to form I want to ask one question then I'll be done but one question is on the FEMA meeting on Thursday night at the historic Courthouse which I will be there what is the plan I mean is it going to be just like this other one they had and cuz people I'm afraid people are going to go there looking for County information more than just FEMA but County information they need both but yeah yes sir so that and that was the intent that was kind of the lesson learned from FEMA meeting that they had at the Hudson Library is that folks really kind of want information from both so it's my understanding Fimo will will be there as part of that but we will have County Personnel on hand to discuss County specific issues and

matters for for the county all right sounds good there's also a there a virtual option as well that'll be through teams or WebEx that that will allow folks to the opportunity to to watch and yeah question okay well when he had it over in Hudson there was over a 100 people watching that on uh one of Troy's trucks that he had it he had broadcast over there there was over 100 people in the parking lot there at the judicial Center that that watched that going on so I mean you'd think well they wouldn't be interested but over 100 people gathered to see it there's some interest there so yeah lots of it yeah so I expect knock on wood I expect a big crowd but the fact of it is I expected a much bigger crowd here today too but it did didn't come to be but I know we've done a lot of uh messaging out there uh I than Troy many times for the type his trucks are and they going down through and broadcasting that message to everyone it really paid off uh from Helen to Milton it really paid off a lot for our people moving y and it did a good job so can I thank you many times yes sir so I know years ago we we trying to put um a swamp out for Billboards and I know there's at least two or three on 19 alone that have been just ripped off their Foundation what happens to a buildo after the fact can they put it back up I do not know the answer well if it's non-conforming and it's no if it's nonconforming it can go back up but if it's just their signs you know I mean the whole I mean Foundation like the support system split yeah oh good give me the address there a lot of signs there we'll be changed um I just got a little notice about red tide do we know what's going on off our Coast with red tide I do not but uh I'll certainly get back to the weather channel is showing a map and it's got us with red tide off the coast yeah but I I you know I'd like to know okay also what I'm sorry pardon me uh but I forgot to ask the clerk what he would like to say and then ask about the den fever stuff what the den fever go ahead come on go ahead nothing on behalf of uh the clerk but just an anecdotal type thing because I mentioned earlier about 200 2004 when the Charlie and two others crisscross P County and the east side of the county had a little more impact and again being city manager at the time and everybody was hugging that tree canopy of those stately Laurel Water Oak and Live Oaks that they wanted to be preserved well right after those three storms all of a sudden there was much more interest in we need to do something about the trees because it made spaghetti out of and and having lived on the uh east side of the county and experienced probably 100 mph winds and downburst from the what I think is probably that cold front hitting that caus that caused the 14 Ines of rain I'm not a meteorologist just play at it but um if you notice in the Dade City area the trees for the most part are pushed

South the winds at that point should have been out of the East uh when that storm so we think a lot of that but regardless of all that uh the very tall overmature lurs and others that just are down all over as as commissioner wman just said and while the canopy in Dade City was changed in 2004 it's been changed tremendously again and uh it's amazing you drive down the street and the sky is open and uh it's uh it's a little it's a little Shake I'm not looking forward to see M Dy what were you talking um I missed the call about where we talked about Denay fever um there are I know of at least one and really two stores on 19 that of exposed tires um the health department supposed to be kind of all over that I thought but deay fever is transmitted through mosquito bites so we have an ordinance in the county that tires cannot be left uncovered and I just what's going on with the D fever and do we need to be vigilant with code enforcement on getting those those tire stores to cover their tires so two things real quick I'll answer your question on red tide we have pinged I'm trying to see if there's any update on D fever um I'm on fish and wildlife's uh red tide status sampling map which is the most recent eight days of sampling there is a what would be considered a high hit of of um concentration probably about 15 miles Due West of Caladesi uh lowering as you go south um but there's it's not present in other other sampling spots that would be more relevant to Pasco so up around ano key uh so I mean there does appear to be some samplings that that suggest that uh we'll we'll have to look into that and provide more information regarding Denay fever of course the Department of Health was concerned about that especially post rain I know mosquito control has ramped up efforts and I know that there was also the Department of Agriculture has an intervention team as well that is working on spraying for mosquitoes I'll have to look into our tire ordinance in terms of that but there's there's plenty of breeding ground uh for that so we have H 14 cases of Denay fever as of last week well that's a lot all right that's a lot um and don't forget Thursday Kathy can you talk about um the event at the at the Grand Boulevard and um William koser who was at the White House with Trump and is now the lobbyist for the company that sells those pallets um he contacted me and uh he's heard about our event and they're sending someone to that event did they get in touch with you okay that's taken care Kathy Pearson assistant County Administrator public services this is a media event so it's a little bit of different uh it's going to be from 9: to 11: on uh Thursday morning and what a media event is joina probably can talk better than me but it's an opportunity for the media to come and visit to come and tour to take pictures take videos interview some of the teamate um members that have been instrumental in in getting this done and

uh that's Thursday morning at the 2654 Grand Boulevard I want to personally thank the Public Works team the public infrastructure um facilities County attorneys I am simply Blown Away by what they did in a few weeks to create what they created down there and so thank you all from the bottom of our hearts and hopefully we're going to have some great success stories come out of that and one more when will we start uh filling the so we are almost at the end of our agreement and so Mike has the authority to sign that agreement and the plan is to open on Monday if all goes well so we're planning on Monday and youth Lane will be about another two weeks so we're looking at Mid November they're still putting the infrastructure in there okay all right that I'm going to journ [Music]