9.3.24 Pasco Board of County Commissioners Meeting (Budget Hearing)

found the joy of Honey Scrolls and eating them I'd like to call back the order of the Pasco County Board County Commission meeting of September 3rd 2024 please silence all electronic devices and mute your microphones um and this meeting is time is 5:15 p.m. please rise for the invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance all mer Creator your hand is open wide to satisfy the needs of every living creature make us thankful for your loving Providence and Grant that we remembering the account that we must one day give may be faithful stewards of your good gifts amen amen amen to flag the United States of America to the stand godible andice for all where is he um Mr Park would you please call the rose District Two commissioner waitman is not present at this time District three uh commissioner starky here District Four commissioner jger here District Five commissioner Mariana here district one chairman o here let the record reflect that we have uh four members in present and an um quum okay are we ready or I got to do mine first right all right this is the first public meeting for adopt the fiscal year 2025 budget for the board of County commissions of Pasco County Florida Citizens will be get uh we be provided an opportunity to speak during the public uh comment section of this hearing chairman M furl do we have proof of notice of the I don't know what that is it's a different name they Chang it notice of this meeting chairman and members of the board notification for this meeting was provided in the trim or the truth and millage notices mailed to each property owner Mr chairman for the record uh commissioner waitan is now on the dance okay thank you catch up in accord in accordance with the Florida statute 2.65 um is the recommended Mill millage rate first issue to be discussed first issue to be discussed would be the recommended millage rate and the uh percentage of of changes from the radb back rate m f um before we dig into this did we want to look at the PowerPoint presentation or do we want to just move straight to voting I'm okay either way PowerPoint PowerPoint okay Power all right so here's a quick agenda for tonight we're going to talk through the purpose of our public hearings a reminder on what our strategic goals and priorities we going into this budget cycle our budget assumptions that are underlaying our tentative budget what the overall tenative budget looks like our taxable assess values the way in which our general fund is allocated what our capital budget looks like and then the next steps in this process so as a friendly reminder Florida statute requires that we hold

two Public public hearings the first one is tonight and then the second one um will be later in September in two weeks and through this process we will adopt tentative millage rates and then the budget by way of resolution and as a reminder what's presented in front of you is based off of what you all adopted in July during trim and so you'll see those millage rates and then the associated associated tentative budget all right so our strategic goals laid out for us back in January small business initiatives and process streamlining pedestrian safety maintaining our Reserve limits across all of our major funds especially our general fund and establishing two new Municipal Services taxing units one for Parks Capital maintenance and one for roads rehabilitation service services so again our budget assumptions in this tenative budget as it's presented to you right now is assuming no change in the operating millage no change in our fire mstu millage no change in the storm water assessment we're in the fourth year of our water and waste water rates um and we are entering into year six of our 7 for S plan for our solid waste and then again as we just mentioned the establishment of the two new mstu all right so our overall budget for fiscal year 25 as it exists right now is $ 2.26 billion 1.25 of that is operating 400 million is capital about 46 million for Debt Service and then 554 million in reserves across all almost 200 funds all right so here's our here's a breakdown via pie chart so as you can see the better chunk is our day-to-day keeping our lights on operations um smaller chunk there for Capital little sliver for Debt Service and then uh slightly bigger pie for our rainy day reserves all right so here's the breakdown of our budget via type of Revenue um so the revenue side of that Reserve is that fund balance that first biggest pie uh the next sliver that you see on the bottom is our adval arm taxes so that includes our general fund tax taxes our fire mstu the two new mstu um the permits fees and special assessments so that's like fire inspection fees our building um permit fees charges for service that could be things like our um utilities and our solid waste and then what does our budget look like from the expenditure side of the house so you'll see our physical environment which again is a lot of our utilities and solid waste and then our Public Safety are big components of that up at the top are reserves so that's the expense side of that fund balance General government those are things like our other constitutional officers my salary is in there Mike's salary is in there all right so final taxable assess value So based off our final numbers on July 1st it was a 14.1% increase in taxable or in Revenue based off taxable assess value increases so that was 47.86 more in Revenue the 40% of that allocation to the sheriff was a little over 19 million we saw an increase to our cras in just

under a million and our increase to our other tiffs such as our Villages of Pasadena Hills and our truchi roughly $1.3 million increase and then that increase did generate roughly 13 more million for our fire mstu fund all right so general fund big picture so when we look at our general fund 90% of our fund expenditures are towards keeping the lights on and handling inflation so what that means is that's basically 90% of our budget is making sure that we can provide the services tomorrow that our citizens have come to expect today 4% is earmarked for what we've been calling requirements so these these are things like expanding the jail um setting up the dshift for fire rescue also on that list would be wage increases for our Corrections offic for our firefighters and then our pay comp and class study for the rest of our employees 5% is towards Capital infrastructure Investments and about 1% is for what we call business plan initiatives or enhancements so those could be increasing levels of service or adding additional bodies to maintain levels of service all right so just another way to look at that 90% piece of our pie keeping the lights on about 52% of that goes to public safety so that includes the sheriff that includes Corrections fire rescue and then the administrative staff supporting our Public Safety Branch 20% goes towards General government so again that's going to be our other constitutional officers like the clerk um and then of course you guys got to pay for me sorry uh 6% is for culture and recreation and then her fund balance up there at 18% all right so back here you'll see that 5% Capital that's going to equate roughly 31.17% of our budget and then our enhancements that 1% of our budget that equates to 3.2 million all right so outside funding so these are all funded via the general fund and then just a reminder that anything that is bold and italicized are um mandates for us to pay the non-bolded non-italicized are at the board's discretion M mandated by mandated by whom oh State Statute okay thank you all right so here's how the Constitutional officer proposed budgets are sitting based off of everything that the board approved in July and then we've got um a breakout for the sheriff on the next slide all right so included in the sheriff's budget is 40 additional deputies the sheriff is funding 20 new additional additional deputies out of that his 40% increase and then the board is matching that with another 20 um and then part of the board's onetime expenses are funding armored SWAT vehicles and vans upgraded forensics unit a pole barn um startup funding for gap insurance design for an Armory and then a restroom remodel at the gun range um and that number is a little bit different than the last time we spoke to

you all um working with the Sheriff's Office we've come up with a $200,000 option for that all right and then just a reminder we're looking at a $ 1.8 billion 5year Capital plan this does exclude general fund because we talked about that separately but the board will only be adopting fiscal year 25 we just like to show you our Five-Year Plan and then this is a a more uh granular look at transportation engineering but it's still like a 50,000 ft view so by program um addressing capacity major maintenance um pedestrian safety intersection and signals all right so these are the tentative millage rates that the board adopted in July as part of the trim process and again just a reminder that the budget in front of you is based off of these millage rates all right so tonight is our first public hearing the second public hearing will be September 17th at 5:15 in Newport Richie at the West Pasco Government Center during the day I'll be presenting um a PowerPoint during the regular session and then we'll do the final public hearing and if there are no questions then I think we're okay to go back to the SC any questions see in N okay so we're on P page two or no Mr chairman yes let me bring it up now just so we have a discussion um okay we've got an agenda item we approved today to do a study uh for engineering with the company for the Hudson Library uh after we had a meeting today I talked to Sean Garvey when do you think it would get done he thought it would take about a year to do the full design currently we have that $12 million in the budget if we look at it to say that it's going to be a year before we even have the design to actually go start to build it I think we can delay that a year and do an offset uh maybe leave the millage where it is in a sense because we're going to need to come back with it but maybe that lets us shrink the the road paving mstu down to a very significant number that that is a great idea like he said that 12 million is already in the budget and you're sitting on it 12 million falls under the uh under the capital expenditures that a showed um so I think what the commissioner is proposing is a reduction in the paving mstu millage and use that 12 million instead of funding Hudson Library use it to fund Road payment what does that take the mstu on the road bance down to we would have to calculate those numbers I would need some guidance from theard so how much you talking about taking away from them msdu on the on the road pay well you get a $12 million savings you still probably want to keep some of the Stu because you still get a pay off I would not recommend a level lower than what it takes to retire your past debt at a minimum we would need to go back calculate that and come back with a a corresponding Village it would be

significant reduction it's probably I know it's under 10 million it's probably 6 to8 million we're talking around numbers nice what would that number be do we know that number or we don't know that number I don't know it tonight I can start working on it how do we act on that tonight we have another hearing my my recommendation would be you hold the millage level and then we come back just hold it where it is where it is and then we would come back to you with with a proposed number at the adoption based on this on this guidance okay all right understand that but we would we would cut it to what to the number you find at the next meeting right with my understanding then is is and I'm seen that saw at least three or four head knots um so we can still make a cut in that budget am till um till 17th right correct correct go up right just can't go up from what was set in July but we can go down but you got to realize in doing that which that's okay um in doing that there will be some roads that will be moved out further than no no we're just talking about retiring the past debt right just the debt of it the debt the unpaid debt so the main thing is you got an mstu in place that we're looking at instead of having that mstu going for the road paving you take the 12 million from the Hudson Library and you offset it with that 12 million okay so it's good because because you're not you're not going to be able to spend the money until like October next year anyway so why would we want to carry that for a bill right now we don't have to pay it it's just like TI up money for a whole year this way we can use it to save money on the overall budget for the taxes that people have to pay okay all right chair yes no thought what's the p b de 6 mil 8 million Justin Grant tells me it's approximately $6 million why don't we just pull out of reserves it's a rainy day fund just cut it from there one time expense done where are we on our mandated Reserve it's a I think those reserves if I remember right the reserves were a little bit less than then we normally would have it up so your current Reserve I don't have the exact well your current Reserve levels right are are sitting uh slightly higher than what your your current Reserve policy is however however C out that uh our recurring expenses do do exceed some of our recurring revenue and namely in a lot of our Public Safety agreements that we have done to pay for dshift and and other things so we anticipate drawing down those reserves in the out and those correct that's a commissioner wait's point it's a policy decision yeah chairman Mr when you say out years what years 2 three four what's your estimation fiscal year 28 2028 yes 2028 folks we would we would be down to approximately 54 days Reserves at that

point so that would be below your 60 days oh I got another question on the library just thinking Jack um um if if you took away your Capital money and spent it all this year where are you going to get it when you need it that's when you'd have to look at doing the MS to you and putting a number on it the next year at least you delay it a year before you do it and you might even decide not to do it at that point but at least what about this what if we take6 million from your Capital Money whatever amount it is to retire the pbass debt and Le and then that lowers the pbass but it leaves you some of the money so we don't have to go raising taxes next year to cover it and we'll look for that other 6 million in many places I'm flexible how staff wants to bring it back but the main thing is there's Aon staff bringing it back also there's a $12 million savings out there and commissioner wayman's idea is worthy of consideration as well so what we're asking is you bring it back to us and show us the best what's best suited for our citizens in Pasco County that's what we're asking for okay okay all right where am I at here all right so I think we're at the third time the first page says chairman so it starts within accordance up with you I don't see the last thing chairman said was Florida statute 20065 your name oh he oh we got through the whole one okay thank you all right so chairman we're here yeah I'm L where we are we're we'll get you back you just you read that yeah I PowerPoint so here bottom section first page yeah right so chairman members of the board the aggregate millage rate as advertised on the trim notice with 10.26 45 Ms which represents a 13.34% increase from the aggregate roll back rate of 9.21 92 Ms the reason for the aggregate millage rate the reason the aggregate millage rate is higher is because the total taxable value increased between last year and this year generating additional Revenue Levy for the same millage rate table one in your handout shows the millage rates for the various County levies in a comparison of the recommended Mill rates to the rolled back rates and the prior year adopted Mill rates rather than read this chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience tonight I would like to ask the commission to adopt the tenative millage rates and total budget the millage rates adopted tonight are the maximum allowed by Florida law without mailing each property owner an additional notice the board can reduce the millage rates tonight through the final hearing on September 17th however the millage rate cannot be increased later in the meeting should the commission wish to modify the budget we ask that staff be directed to return on September 17th at the final public hearing with the desired amendments I'd like to give a summary of

B we're all saying the same thing increases in taxes name and address sir oh sorry that's that's a Christian 5313 Parliament Ro New Port Rich I've seen um property taxes have gone up from 2021 to 2023 by 62% and now I'm seeing it going from from 6 from 2023 to 2024 now is another 35% IET and then at this rate we're not going to be able to to keep our property so something has to be done about million R Mage rates and and other things to reduce this otherwise we're not going to be able to afford to to keep our prop it's just clear and so we have to do something about thank you sir can I ask you question s i real quick right are you aware and I'm not an expert on this but on the other homestead exemption that you can put on your property can someone describe that one I didn't get that if I'm aware of County attorney County attorney can you describe the the extra home the senior homestead exemption we passed and let me ask if you have this and that's not this year that would be the next tax year next year they but the that the board adopted an optional um $25,000 no $50,000 um senior tax exemption Property Appraiser's office has all those forms and all those calculations to see if you qualify it's income limited um but it but that would if you apply for it and and you qualify for it that would lower your assessed value of your property just like the standard Homestead ex exemptions so it's an additional if you qualify yes and that's a good Gest yeah but but if you look at a lot of the other states in this country once you reach 65 years old they start blowing your taxes I'm I'm going I'm going to be 80 tomorrow Happy Birthday and and my Taxas does keep going up our have friends in Texas and some of these other places in Georgia where where the taxes have cut 50% you know when they reach 6 and I'm still paying the full taxes at this so it's hurting us on Sir chairman say sir just a quick question are you Homestead in the property you're talking about this this one is not Homestead my son lives in this property it's not H it's not Homestead yeah okay but but but at the rate which is going up it's unbelievable all right thank you sir next person uh that's all we have pre- signed up okay okay coming forward Mr steel thank you I think this is the first time I've ever come to the county uh to talk and I I want to thank you guys for doing what you do and I know it's hard um but I got 35 phone calls today uh from residents that that live in my district and and I'm a state house representative let me give you my address it's on bayad road I don't know if I need to give you the specific address but 30545 um and so I I made it a point I actually went out got dressed I was

outside actually putting poles in uh for my fence so I got dressed and came in so I want you guys to know me it's important to me um we should do something you got the inflationary costs that are going on the the the properties are artificially inflated we know that it's going to come back down as soon as Trump gets him back in office and and puts forward some of the things that we need to have done to reduce the cost so are they going to have to come back in and ask to have those values come down um and which they will they'll have to apply yes they do I had to do it um they have to apply to have the value of their home to come back down so the reality is is we should take that step and reduce either the price the value of the home to make it back to where it was before we inflated it or reduce the midet rate to make it fair um and I just want to also verif that we have $540 billion in reserve that we're not going to have to have for 18 years we're going to be within our our range I'm sorry not 18 years 3 years from now to 2028 I want to verify that and then it's a 14% increase but we have 18% we're putting into that reserve and I want to know how many people well that's what it was on the chart said we how many billion in no can you go back to that sh how much was it was it million 540 million sorry 540 million we're required to have two months of operating in case we have a hurricane or something it was back the other one back you just passed it twice three times yeah third third time 540 there you go that's fine so so half a billion dollars in reserve I just want to ask how many people do you think in our district has Reserve remotely close to one month of their salary and I'm not saying we shouldn't as a as a government entity but at the time we're adding 18% and we don't need 100% of that we should adjust what we what we're pulling in just to help people out and that's that's why I'm here I'm not here to condemn anybody but I just want to make sure that you guys understand it it doesn't affect me it's not it's not going to affect me but it's affecting a lot of people in my community so thank understood thank you for your comments but can I ask you a question on the reserves just for all of us and I know this is your first budget meeting and your second one um in the reserves is also where you some Capital money or some money for certain things so it's not necessarily all I know we try and have two months of operating right if something were to happen right so we keep um counties we keep two months of operating expenses in what we call a restricted reserve and so that yes is your rainy day if a hurricane comes through or whatever we can still operate for two months and then hope that we get some kind of relief from the state or the feds and then we will keep some additional base off policy Direction and decision so like an example Solid Waste we had that 7 for S plan and part of that plan was building up some Reserve so we could partially cash fund the waste to energy expansion and then Le

leverage some Debt Service for the other piece of it and so we build up some reserves in our Utility Fund we build up some reserves in our Solid Waste when we know that we have those planed Capital expenditures coming down and you would see that in that $500 million number it would be a conglomeration of of both of those things yeah it's an aggregate Reserve I just wanted so so that reserve of 540 million the two months operating and these other items are in that same amount okay yes thank you oh excuse me Mr steel you can come back the two months sorry Dan what's uh what is our current General Target Reserve number right now it's for us and all the constitutionals currently about 78 million for two months two months or one correct two months of operating okay all right and we're adding 18% to that Reserve every year that was on another slide right there that right there 18 no that that's just represents a total representative so if I took the total the total amount in the general fund and we have to report reserves as like the current 18% of that total isli Mr chairman right Mr chairman yes sir is Mike is the number 16.7% the target number yes sir the target the the board policy Target that we we discussed in January was 16.7% which is 60 days out of 365 still okay so what's the difference from that number to this number it's currently at 20 it's currently at 22.5% so it is it is higher as I mentioned before however part of the planned expenditures and that we have uh that we've already approved such as D Shi for fire rescue additional expenses count on drawing that number down so by 2028 discuss commissioner waitman we would be down to probably around 15% or about 54 days okay in 2028 based on projected expenses projected growth there's a number of assumptions that go into that okay yeah thank you okay Mr white chair thank you chairman I guess this might be a question for cat attorney but if a local government SNS below the recommended 60-day mark there's no penalty right it's just a best an accounting best management practice correct so we were to get lean and mean and and lean into it we wouldn't necessarily be penalized if we sank below that number a bit if for in the best interest of our citizenry as I as I recall this is a Gatsby standard right government the government accounting say gfoa GF ACC offic um and so no there there is no state law requirement that requires you to have that but that all goes into your bond ratings correct if you're not if you're not if it's not a bond if it's not a revenue bond an Enterprise fund Bond it's just your general operating Bond it it goes into the the the double a rating double A Plus rating that you've got um so there are side effects to lowering your reserve it it's not illegal for you

to lower there's no penalty on so correct you may have Bond or debt covenants that require certain levels those go in and affect your we have the best Bond rating yeah we have the best Bond rating right now I think no yes A+ that's the best one for government if you go above that you're not putting too much money aside it's wasteful right so which saves ourselves money by having that Bond rating yeah okay that covers questions uh is there a motion to adopt the tenative rate with knowing we're going to look at something coming back from staff on the 17th so move so I got a motion uh well second but we're going to have more discussion as we after what that was your discussion period Well we have a lot more to go through okay okay I got a motion in a second all those in favor is this roll call no no all right all those in favor say I I I all like sign for oppose pass 5 Z move on to so the mill rate for the general fund of [Music] 75700 Mills County Commission MO is there a motion to adopt the tentative millage rate for the transportation trust fund of 0.000000 Milli happy to make that motion chair I like a zero mill rate that's a good Zer happy to make that motion chair yeah I will now provide a summary of the fire Municipal service taxing unit budget stating the tentative military the perent call you got aot excuse I got a motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 Z I will now provide a summary of the fire Municipal service taxing unit budget stating the tenative millage rate the percentage change from the roll back rate and the reasons for the change the fire Municipal service taxing unit fund has a recommended tax levy of 21225 Mills this represents a 7.98% increase from the roll back rate of 1.96 57 the increase in property values resulted in an additional 13.1 million in property tax revenue the budget includes implementing phase one of the dshi for fire personnel and a wage increase for the um I Union I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on the fire Municipal service taxing unit fund M rate and Associated budget the minimum Vote for This tenative hearing is four votes okay does anyone wish to speak to the board uh with the fire Municipal Services taxing unit we have no one signed up in advance okay seeing no one no one signed up uh anyone anyone in the audience wish to speak to the fire mstu see no one um is our motion to adopt the millage rate of 21225 Mills for the fire Municipal

service tax M Mr chairman yes um for the public that's here could we please explain what a dshift is because this there's an increase certainly so uh the D ship in its Essence so firefighters work uh typically on a typical schedule work a 24-hour shift and then they have 48 hours off so that represents a total of three shifts right an a shift a B shift and then a c shift a dshift uh adds a fourth shift to that rotation thus the the the cycle time of the firefighters in terms of of rest uh recovery mental health is is cared for and there's also reductions in overtime as well as other expend because you have a a larger source to distribute the costs over but it does require increasing your Manning by approximately well 33% is someone coming up to say something no no he put on his jacket and then and then just a reminder to the board that in um adding that dshift there was also the elimination of the Kelly day because now you didn't need it the DHI would offset that extra rest day and that actual item saved us from losing 70 Public Safety people and fire and all during that past year we only lost three this year years prior to that we lost 70 Personnel a year to other counties since we've done this that's gone away and now we're gaining for that shift so Mr waitman thank you chair no no secret I boxed this last year just want to the last year just you know the story this the big push for this was for for wages um to make pay more hole and and bring folks in but also baked into this there's more than just wages there's other other operating costs in technology it's it's a it's more than a funding source than just for wages so I just wanted to be clear I know the public thinks that it's it's just it was strictly for for wages and and part of that movement but there's there's a lot more in this um and if Mike I'd like you had some sunshine on that yeah I can add some color to that I mean the the um the increase in the mstu a large part of it was to fund dshift for work work stress reduction but also we are growing we are the third busiest Ambulatory Service in the State of Florida uh as such we need new equipment we need new stations and The mstu Works to provide funding for all of those fire related expenses so that would include outfitting new fire stations and in some cases we can actually use some of those funds to actually invest in fire stations and new equipment uh new ambulances fire trucks uh Etc okay and with our new fire chief who combed through his budget um and found a lot of savings we appreciate that very much and I think we are all aware that we don't have to have the prettiest fanciest fire stations and the country um and we can get some savings on uh some of our new fire stations and I appreciate all the efforts and value engineering all of that yeah I can tell you commissioner Chief Perez and Mr Murphy have already found ways to reduce fire station costs by well over a million dollars on a per station basis

so that's that's that's good that's important okay Mr chairman yes I just want to Echo the same sentiment you did we we had such a high turnover rate just like we had with deputies years ago that this dshift has now just shifted that whole calendar as well as we being our team does such a phenomenal job protecting our people it's now to the point where they're safer better protected and people want to come to work here I think we're probably the most desired station Des IED County to come to work for and that's a very good thing in these times where people are having trouble getting the services and protections they want for their lives right okay all right m p did we do a motion I thought I did we need a motion move to approve never take the vote second I got a motion in the second all those in favor say I I all oppos like sign motion pass 5 okay I will now provide a summary of the two new Municipal service taxing unit mstu budget stating the tentative millage rates the percentage change from the roll back rate and the reasons for the change the parks Capital maintenance mstu fund has recommended tax levy of 0.712 Mills this is the first year that this millage is proposed to be levied so there is no calculated roll back rate this millage rate will generate 8.2 million in property tax revenue to fund Capital maintenance on the county parks I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on the parks Capital maintenance mstu mill rate and Associated budget since this is the first time this mill rate will be levied State statutes indicate that a unanimous vote is required to Levy any military where we okay does anyone wish to speak to the board on the parks Capital maintenance mstu come forward if you do hi my name is Janine Duffy I live at 5550 front drive in Holiday Florida um I know the parks are very important to the people that live around here here but due to the increase in taxes and homeowners insurance um and the increase in everything else um we have to make Cuts somewhere I'd really like to see the Parks and Recreation get some sort of a cut uh we have lots of parks around here I understand they need some maintenance I get that um but pretty soon we're all going to be living in them um as a single mother um that helps take care of my elderly mother um you're taxing me out of my home and I'm not the only one but I don't want to move so I'm going to stay and fight for it so please hear us out it is an election year thank you okay Keith you want to come forward but I'm I'll make one statement there um when I was first elected 8 years ago we had we were behind 20 years in maintenance on our all of our Parks Co came along and nobody was outside nobody could be close to each other or whatever he gave Parks the ability to catch up a lot of that maintenance we had but it's still the money is needed to take care of our

parks and we have future Parks coming for future developments so I'll I'll leave it up Keith to talk about it so uh the mstu that's present so Keith Wy director of parks recreation natural resources uh this is specifically to address what commission what chairman Oakley um called to attention is the zero um dedicated funding source for Capital Improvements so the go Bond the general obligation Bond back in 2018 got us $20 million worth of improvements that funding is pretty much encumbered and set to run out into the fiscal year of 25 so the mstu is intended to pick that Capital funding up um and continue the good work that we did underneath General um excuse me the general Bond General obligation Bond sorry so I remember um uh in the recession I think I was on the school board and we were cutting cutting cutting cutting cutting and at the county where they cut and cut and cut and cut was parks and libraries um to the point that it was just decimated I moved here 32 33 years ago and I'm a parent of four kids who played Sports in the Parks soccer football cheerleading it was very important to us my husband and I were youth coaches for 25 years um and if you imagine all the growth from caller Parkway West the first park that has been added in those 32 years is the starky regional park and 32 years and we're still not done with it we are just now adding the fields so we and just think of all the kids that have moved here and I can tell you our phones are ringing off the hook with thousands and thousands of parents whose kids have signed up to play sports and cannot play we we we have a new little leag complex a new little leag team I guess with no Fields um when was the last time we added a l complex in this County so well we we added the softball complex at starky R for 20 something years and more over 20 something years and more importantly to your point commissioner starky this is I was actually just reviewing the capital maintenance uh list for the the ending projects for the go Bond and and we're seeing cost increases to resurface tennis courts $497,000 uh replacing 30 40y Old concession stands over a million dollar um and and I think that so in addition to the to the growth piece of of adding the capital facilities that we desperately need to get to growth we're also on the verge of not being able to actually take care of the the existing stuff that we have in the ground today so when you talk about sad or athletic fields they don't have a forever you know life you have to replace them and in doing so a lot of our Parks um or were built in Wetland environment conditions that require significant drainage improvements that cost anywhere between $1.2 to $2 million of field so when you when you start to figure out ultimately what it's quite honestly it's staggering even for me to look at the numbers and when you look at 37 Parks uh all across the county and and all each

little piece the number does add up so uh to be clear I didn't actually have a presentation wasn't prepared to talk to this in too much detail so it's a little uh little rough in the opening but the mstu basically was presented off five or six years worth of work following the General obligation Bond where we looked at 20-year maintenance plans of every park facility and we basically itemized every amenity that was $1,000 or more and when it was due to be replaced we presented that through the budget process and the $8.2 million is specifically that number just to stay caught up just to stay caught up so one of one of the most telling one of the most memorable moments concerning parks to me was in this room when the parents from the little Le complex that's somewhere here I've never been to it uh state city little Le yeah when those two women came and said they were turning the lights on their field on an off with the 2 by 8T 2x4 so they didn't get electrocuted yeah do you remember that mhm yeah so we got some maintenance M Jagger so I'm a mom of five my kids grew up at the parks we volunteered put clay Down clean the dugouts things like that um I know how important parks are I just feel like with the states of the economy right now we can't add two taxes to our citizens um is there any way that we can help Parks out of our general fund and do that instead of adding a no talking from the audience please who you talking to Keith or Mike my it may be Amy but I was also looking at you no I mean so commissioner uh thank you so currently as as I think Mr Wy pointed out the the dollars or the level of investment that that Mr Wy is referring to is not currently budgeted nor available within the general fund at the levels which is you know which was presented to the board uh we currently make a a a very probably 1/8 of that level of investment um and you know if we were to not go forward with anything I would I would probably commit I would commit to the board to at least funding it at that level which is about a million a million three um of of dollars um of course if we talk about reducing General operating millage that becomes a more complicated um scenario but as in the current state of play um where where Mr wy's current budget is he's not budgeted for these for these items so we would we would have to find additional dollars within our general operating fund to fund some level of of Maintenance uh in in Parks right I just I just feel like right now you know we have no idea who our president's going to be and um things could be really good or not so good so okay Mr White thanks chair things are tough now you know we're being asked to not just you know Sports Park support Parks we all do I coach our kids go there grew up on lot of these same Fields but the structure if I'm going to vote on tax the structure of the tax is going to be sound and this is not a

sound tax for many reasons this is approved now we get in a budget battle in two weeks we to end up gutting the parks and libraries budget that's easy peasy that's low hanging fruit this mstu as it stands today as it structured today thank you Lord does not protect a sound Parks budget for years to come and because of that it's it's vulnerable and I think if we're going to vote on a Park's tax it needs to be an all-encompassing or as close as we can MST where we pull all those Mills off the general fund and then cut those and then the parks Mill just set what it is and cut you know the balance off the general fund essentially restructuring the budget uh the general fund budget budget and then that parks that Park tax is is growing on its own as it comes and it adds a true long-term generational Lifeline to the department and when times get tough and Boards future boards have to make decisions you know it forced those boards in my opinion to have to pull back layers of the onion and make more difficult decisions other than just torpedoing the parks and libraries budget I think this government needs to dig deeper and find find ways to control spending in in other departments that that were leaks may be if you will or under funding sources so if I'm going to vote on a tax it's going to be a good tax it's going to be a quality tax and have a generational benefit so as this tax stands today I will not be supporting it I would like to see no I would like to see a a tax for Parks a true way to fund parks for generation to come that are that are similar to what I described and this is what I tried to discuss number of months back when we discussed the parks mstu um Keith you know it's it's up to every Department to advocate fiercly for their department and their people and I applaud you for it and the work that you all put in uh with every County department if if it go to battle and and try to get what you need then you might not be the person for the job so know that I am looking out for your best interest just in a different way and uh I thank you for all the work you do for our parks and our kids and our families but the way this tax is structured I I can't support it so I'm Mr chairman yes so I like to say Keith you and your team do a phenomenal job and the way you've moved money around to take care of things that weren't funded to to make it Happ when you had idle money uh I think you've done a phenomenal phenomenal job you're a great leader you got a great team thank you couldn't be couldn't be happier with what you're doing and the importance of parks is so critical um when you can keep kids busy and they're in activities they're going to be more productive better citizens families get it better everybody benefits from the park having said that I did ask Keith and he'll tell you I asked him not to bring it this year but he brought it and then when the discussions came and it kind of went through it I didn't kick it down but I fig we'll just see where the process

goes let me say this about mstu and I don't like them and I'll tell you why right now you've got 91% of the population that you're looking go fund this Parks we're working with the city of D City right now we just took over Pine Hill Park and spent a whole bunch of money in Newport Richie I got two cities on the West Side Port Richie and Newport Richie that are blighted that we have to pay their money back on the cras so when you throw the burdens of an mstu you're burdening the county people in the heav away which I don't think is right years ago we looked at the sheriff's mstu that they wanted to do probably like 12 16 years ago the only the first hearing of that went through like nothing the second hearing one guy wrote one letter from Beacon woods and he said to me Jack why are you putting all the burden on your unincorporated County to go pay for this MSU for the sheriff it's not the best way to go do it so for different reasons commissioner wait I agree with you're saying but mstu is a tough way to go and it's something we need to go look at and again when especially when I got two cras that we got to pay and we got a city newp Richie that we just took over a park that they had and gave gave my building and now D City wants to work with us I think there's a better way to fund Parks as well so I'm okay with chairman where we're going but I do want to see that we do take care of Keith in the parks are down the road Mr White rebuttal well we're literally at opposite ends with an mstu I've you mstu the opposite of of you commission I think mstu adds transparency and accountability to the fund citizens know what they're paying for and we as a board know where that money is going and what it's used for and it's not in the general fund where it could go all over the place so I guess it cuts both ways I just I view an mstu a little bit differently I view an mstu and government is more of a it's better disciplined I think my opinion there's better accountability and transparency to the fund um but I hear what you're saying I appreciate it Mr chairman Keith I've got a question Keith come up can I just make a statement to that though if I could what can I just make a statement to what he just said just make a statement so in the transparency we used to have years ago there was a booklet about this thick it went light item tolem where the money was going so maybe if you want the transparency that way that's a better way to go than Shifting the burden was paying okay uh Keith prior to this MST you've been taking you've been actually getting a sum of money I guess from the general fund yeah correct so there's a every budget year there's been a process where um those departments that need to pursue Capital funding we would we would go through a list in a ranking process and quite honestly the amount of money that's available uh I always felt terrible going to those meetings because what I was asking for was usually two or

three times what was available so when you're in there and you're you're sitting next to a peer Like Mike mate for animal services and he's asking for x million for for a shelter and I need for my department to maintain my level of service 8 to 10 million dollar extra a year it's it's it's kind of rough so through that process through that education if you will we try to figure out another way and to be clear um it's my job I think commissioner wait it's my job to tell you all what the cost is how we get there honestly is is is up to you uh and I want you to know that I respect that decision so if this doesn't go through and it looks like it's not going to go through then we have issues in the near future probably that we won't be able to allow some teams to play because we're not going to have enough teams or safe field spaces for them to fit on yeah at this point it' be more of a that unplanned where you have no you know no money set aside to take care of yeah an e you wouldn't have anything to go to so if you step back in time a little bit when did we have the referendums that our citizens voted on 2018 eight when 18 yes sir 18 I thought that was right 2018 this county has some of the best citizens around that voted for that and the pay those Bond issues and voted that's how we got the money to actually bring that maintenance back up to speed um but our citizens voted for that I I agree with what they did then we have good citizens they have very good citiz I think it was the most popular 73% our citizens were will at the same time they had four items at the same time they had four items for voting for a referendum where we would pay those bonds back through through the citizens they voted for those but they were also given one item that gave them an additional $50,000 deduction on Homestead of property that was turned down by citizens when they could have voted that in for themselves they did not but they voted on referee under to help make these fields come back up space so so Keith what what is your I mean your maintenance budget what I mean what are you going to do how are we going to how are you going to fix anything cuz you don't have this in your budget because you were count on the mstu well after tonight we will we'll rep prioritize our so that means how many millions are going to be cut from the sheriff or fire or whatever else that comes out of our general well we we have to sit down and that sit down go over that look look at the dollars and where it is you know we we put money into other other programs such as reinvesting in our facilities uh we could look at less funding there I mean there's there's a number of options I just need to understand what the board's temperament is and I I think well it's not mine um but um no I I just think that it's been such a deficit for so long and if we're not paying it out of our other taxes we we have to find a way to keep our kids safe on the ball fields

and I remember driving around and seeing the stadiums falling apart people couldn't sit in the stadiums at the ballparks the the Nets behind home plate were ripped and torn um wasn't a pretty state so what do you need a year to what are you going to be looking for from somewhere the average is what was presented is 8.2 million and I think when I originally presented the ordinance when when I originally presented the ordinance we gave tears because obviously we want the board to have choices in terms of what what could be done um again just it's it's all about perspective in terms of what comes online every year and what's needed and or and more importantly what what is what goes down that's an issue um we had a Oakridge Park the lighting system went down is $700,000 now we could tell the the you know the organization that plays there that sorry we don't I mean in this instance we'd have to say sorry we don't have that funding so we don't repair the lights for a year we shut your league down I'm not trying to I'm just being honest like those are the things that could happen at field it happened actually last year so when that happened luckily we had some reserves in the goond fund so we were able to kind of make that happen but right um again that money is kind of running out so and with Fields being tight like they are you going to reach a point where your fees are going to have to go back up or you won't be able to provide maintenance for these areas yeah and that hits ever hard when that feed goes up so would um would any of the Commissioners consider a lower mstu number so that Keith can keep operating I was going to ask that question because I I hate to I hate to take it away from the youth that's already had it taken away from them yeah uh that's kind of not fair you got parents choosing to put groceries in a buggy or sending their kids out to play sports right now now I you know you measure wants and needs and I'm pretty passionate about that and I I know the fields my parents grew up on a lot tougher than my generation and the generations after me uh we got County attorney we're going to sue happy world but I think I think we'll make it I think we'll figure it out government will there's only business on the planet that has reoccurring Revenue you know every year and a lot of money comes in I have full confidence just like last year with my Fano coming in and covering the shortfall in the sheriffs I think we just we need to challenge ourselves and this is a situation that we're in every household in this County and America is figuring out a way to pay the grocery bill put clothes on their back and this is part of it and again this goes to prove my point you're right to Keith's budget why this mstu and why his budget isn't isn't safe and sound therefore I'm describing structuring a different way to capture funds for the park budget and this this what I just spent describ 15 minutes ago I don't want to rehash it again we have

other things to talk about um that goes to show how vulnerable his budget is and this is proving my point feels pretty vulnerable sitting here sure for the just to add a little BV to this to the does it take four votes or three votes unanimous unanimous oh well it's dead we got a motion we're not done we're not there yet and the final vote needs to be unanimous I you could move it forward but I mean that the the adoption of the millage has to be unanimous based on on this one discuss B yeah doesn't matter how you vote what if it takes five votes and you're against it the rules you can make a motion and move it forward but it won't be what does that mean that you can take a vote and move forward me I wanted you would adopt you would adopt the millage as recommended or some other form of the millage that would be lower or the same as what is presented and then on the can Chang vote however from what I'm hearing from the commissioner I not sure that would be work that I would recover anything from so so you fall into the provision of the statute that this is a rate in excess of 110% of the a rate a rate in excess of 110% may be adopted if approved by a unanimous vote of the membership of the governing board of the county so but that's your final hearing adoption yeah I don't know but it doesn't sound like we're getting there so uh Keith there's a lady behind you that needs to speak M zmer I believe name and address again it's on the record Christy Zimmer Pine Court uh my question is this we have the penny for Pasco which is a substantial amount that was approved for 15 years the county gets the 45% and out of that 20% goes to El Parks and Recreation infrastructure how is that money being implemented into what you're talking about isn't that enough money for maintenance that's a capital that's a capital infrastructure tax so it goes for only building new not for maintenance that's a capital infrastructure tax yes building you he has no maintenance money there is no maintenance well well he has the go Bond but it's almost gone that's the problem yeah there's no maintenance money so something else will be cut all right so let's see is there a motion U on the millage rate of 0.17 one two Mills for pars Capital maintenance mstu looks like it's going to die for a lack of a motion in that case I would probably recommend that the board adopt a motion to set the millage at 0.0000 Mills so we can so so we got a moot motion to drop them drop the Mills to 0.000000 Mills for the parks Capital maintenance MST okay second um all those in favor say i i i n fails say you got one two NES no no I voted y but she voted me I voted n you voted n to zero fund Parks Main next budget I

vot it name okay so it's that motion passes for one so okay clarification Mr chairman you said the motion for zero funding passed for one yes thank you okay and further clarification from the county attorney it cannot be brought back at this final public hearing the millage can't be raised that's right oh next Mee okay all right right the roads Rehabilitation mstu fund has a recommended tax levy of 0.518 for Mills this is the first year that this millage is proposed to be levied so there is no calculated roll back rate this millage rate will generate 24.8 million in property tax revenue to maintain the C roadwork Network I would ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on the roads Rehabilitation Ms militate and Associated budget okay does anyone U wish to speak to this item on MSU yep we have no one signed up in advance no one signed up anyone in audience wish to speak to the paving mstu okay you have a question you no Jack were you want to speak I'm waai L okay Mr wait any discussion thank you chairman I'm willing to support a level of mstu for this mstu but to do that it's got to come to a commensurate cut to the general fund Mills so I'm assuming that boxing match will go down the second meeting but I'm willing to support some level of funding for the road paving mstu it's necessary uh it's an actually a piece of the business the county should be in in my opinion Paving and maintenancing our roads and so I'm uh excited to hear what folks have to say and where we land on this well we've asked there's no one to speak to this so um sure I will questions again my name is Janine Duffy 5550 Front Drive Holiday Florida um I'm a little confused um we've been paying taxes for years um but our roads are severely neglected um I'm not sure where it's getting paid from is it my property taxes is it the gas tax that's supposed to help the roads is it the millage the new millage rate I'm kind of getting confused how many time we have to pay for roads that aren't being fixed I mean a sinkhole opened up in Holiday we have severe flooding uh you made it worse by adding a sidewalk to Grand Boulevard um I drive through a pool in our afternoon showers now it hasn't wasn't like that years ago okay was not actually it wasn't even like that last year all this flooding is current right so I'm just curious to to know what exactly is paying for our roads and our infrastructure is it the impact fees is it our property taxes is it the gas tax is it the millage rate I just I'm trying to grasp and understand what exactly is fixing our roads cuz nothing is I'll give you an answer thank you the mstu for this is

05184294ae home okay okay so mean value of homes throughout the county are roughly $160,000 if you have less than that it is but that number equates to about $80 or $85 to go toward Paving of roads for the entire County not just like a past or all we're getting rid of pivas cuz it cost your neighbors fighting against each other and there's other things this does away with PS but this um like this rate will get us roads being paved a lot quicker than we had before because there'll be no bickering between communities and if everybody says 51% say they don't want to pay and and so they they vote it down then that road stays like it is in bad condition or whatever until you have to wait a year after for that to get your road paved that's been a bad system and we've been in it for a long long time so you're blame blaming the old system on the neglect is that is that what I because a lot of roads they would vote against I'm not blaming it on anyone in fact no I'm saying the old system your old taxing system you're the old system of paying for a road was really unfair because the people that if you were less than 50% of the people on that road and say you voted 49% of you wanted the road paves and the group against you didn't want to pay and it was 51% then it didn't get paved and had to sit there for a year well let and and and and it's done that year after year after year on a lot of properties and we got a lot of bad roads throughout the county for this also includes roads that can be paid when they're they're even dirt they could be paved if they fit in that order and I I think within 2 or 3 years we'll have a lot of roads that have been a long time waiting to get paved agreed now I understand we have people that are seniors and on fixed income and this is money I understand this is money MH what I pay I I meant to look at my sheet it's on tax your tax sheet now um on mine is probably 4005 $100 that I'd pay every year one time a year every year to get all of our roads paved okay so that's the only way Road get paved if it was yours so there's no penny for pasal funds that go towards it there's no money from Impact fees that there's never been but Mr cabala can answer part I'm I'm just trying to get clarification I understand yes sure sure so and and it's there's would be first let me just back up is to the types of Roads there's really two types of Roads there local roads which would be your road that you live on and then there would be what we call arteri collector roads not with standing state roads we'll take state roads like 54 52 out of this are funded by the state uh you we collect gas taxes in the county that funds our public works department gas taxes really only cover about 2third of the cost of our public works department that is a revenue source that has been flat to declining for years as cars become more efficient in electric cars but I won't

go there the um the additional one-third of the Public Works budget comes from what's called a um a a tiff or a tax increment financing which is levied across the whole County and anyways it's a long way of just saying it's a it's a dedicated funding source on new taxes that that come in that is put into public works to fund Paving now how do we fund Paving we we fund we fund it from this this tip which really only amounts to a few million dollars a year maybe somewhere between two to two to four million a year more or less okay but we because we have a a special assessment vehicle this is the P that the chairman was speaking about uh we don't use it to fund local roads we use it to fund things like if we were to PVE little road for example or or another another main road that everyone would use in the neighborhood the road that you live on on current system is a special assessment in which case the residents would have to petition the board to tax them in order to fix the roads so there is no General Revenue that goes into fixing local roads it is up to you as a citizen to decide when you've had enough on your road and you can appeal to the board and there's a whole special assessment process so the commissioner has spoken and the board the board has recognized it's it pits neighbor against neighbor neighbor and unfortunately by the time the road requires to be repaired um I can tell you I'm a professional engineer U it's like we talk about maintenance the road's too far gone and it's probably six times more to fix it so folks are ly with a higher assessment what the road tax does is it is collected taxes for all roads in arterials collectors as well as local roads and includes actually a a large component of it is maintenance of roads to extend the useful life of the road that is really the purpose of the tax is to extend life of the existing Road and provide a dedicated fund source for that and make repairs and of course do away with the special unwind the special assessment process and know that's a lot no that's okay what it is so but so to just to clarify our taxes in the past none of that was allocated to none of that was for okay you heard us um one of the first uh funds or votes that we did it might have been the second one was um the transportation what's it called the the transportation trust fund where that would be the silo of money that we would because when we collect money it all goes into certain silos in government and our transportation Silo is zero funded through your general through your Ador property tax it's zero funded but we are going to fund it through this mstu but so you know so you're not pay any taxes so when somebody says to what am I pay my property taxes for if I'm not getting my roads fixed they need to be clearly informed that their property taxes never went to fix never went transp I got it go back in history in history had it over here was a lot of grows and pastures and things like that but Newport rich were drawing leavs and Bounds and building a lot of roads over

there where the the property owners over on this side mostly Farmers agricultural people didn't want to afford or couldn't afford to pay for those roads being built on the other side of the county right so that stayed in history until now and we've all realized I've been here eight years and I I hate a Peas I mean it it's just the worst system ever one neighbor after another and it doesn't work out understand that most people the general public believe that their property taxes go into paying for their Road and we know that yes we know we know that but that's not true so okay maybe get the information out there better see when you when you do a p a lot of times that cost to you would be $7,000 $8,000 that you can pay over 10 years but with a new system if if you're paying say your house is on the lower scale and it was $85 a year that's all You' pay every year right I understand but on all Road would be in for 10 years that part you couldn't pay up front I don't know would would just just before I end uh take away one thing when we are over by the 19 Corridor find ourselves being surrounded by lots of development that have brand new roads nice sidewalks and all of that please understand the frustration of the people that have lived here for decades and I agree with you we have them over here this is my district on the east side okay I've got some of the worst roads we've ever seen but let me give thought that in mind new let me give example this new system A lady called me or saw me in a restaurant here the other day and says well my when would my road be paved on this new Paving system and I said well I don't know and she was asking about passing a road it's just right out here and I'll question and I call our people and it's set up to be paved if this goes through to be that road is set up to be paved in 25 which starts October 1 who said I haven't seen the list you got to ask question a metric system I'll let you know who talk but the fact of it is I was shocked it not only repaves The O Part of pavement part of that road is dirt and it paves that too it brings it all up right which it'll take a little time to get everybody but the fact of it is by starting it you get in a good situation in the future and it's just better for everybody so no I hope you could take a drive over to Holiday during a rainstorm yeah I I just went through there that's her history so and the other good thing that this is going to do which we did not do in the past is we're also going to fix the side box which the in Holiday problem because the flooding is so severe you're adding more concrete it's making it worse so please consider we need drainage the sidewalks that are there that are all smashed up that need to be fixed we need drainage with the sidewalk yeah thank you for asking the questions thank you for answering them chrisy Z on record you tapped on my question a

little bit how are these projects going to be prioritized and you said the one in Pasadena will be 2025 Lake padet Estates hasn't had any Paving done since the the early '90s with a road paving assessment and we' lost some of our roads fix yeah I'm fixing to give you a guy that is going to come up here and tell you the truth about all this because it's scientific see some roads we have so you know some roads are not as bad as other roads so those roads that we can actually do a chip seal that road can lengthen its life by doing the Chip seill it'll lengthen it out 5 years and improve that road other roads that are really in bad shape are going to be more expensive than that to be paid so do they get put on the back burner because they'll cost more they're all they're all looked at electron I'm going to let bramford come forward and he will uh describe to you or just one one of them but it's very important so administrator so we've talked about having the scientific uh method that means we've tested all the roads in Pas School uh and we've used our pavement management system to rank all those roads so what we have is roles that is going to be cost effective to fix in the first year or the second year we go ahead and schedule those to be done so we try to do that as objectively as possible so we are being fair to everybody right and and they're they're balanced out in five districts five commissioner distri districts we all get some of our roads done it's going to take time but I'm going to tell you with this new system it's going to be much better than anything you've seen in the county far as Paving the roads that everybody's asking why can't I get my road pav even dirt roads will be a part of that system Mr chairman yes and part of the benefit too is when you have to do all the paperwork all the time and money to go do your petitions and all the stuff you probably add about 30% to the cost of road as well now that all goes away it's just something collected and allocated so um back to commissioner Whitman's question and I don't know if you're ready to answer it because I think we found a way to lower that mstu by taking some of the money from the library and paying off the debt so since he wants a number possibly now are we able to throw out a number where we can lower that lower that a little bit what was the six what was the number chairman for for clarification Mike why don't we go with with this conversation first that we spoke about so my question to County attorney administrator of Finance folks does the road paving mstu need a unanimous vote tonight to pass and does it need a unanimous vote to pass at our second and final public hearing it has to happen two consecutive 550 votes that is correct it would require a unanimous vote to establish some millage there's the recommended millage or some other number I disagree

with the administrator but I mean as I said in in the previous one I think I read the statute to say you at this hearing it doesn't have to pass a unanimous vote at your but you have to adopt it by unanimous vote unless you've heard something different from revenue I'll let Mr R spoke with Department of Revenue the follow question to that well because I haven't had the conversation with Revenue that OMB has had there's two forms that we fill to fill out that ask us for the number of votes and that's MMP was is maximum millage for this hearing and then the mm which is Max millage for the final hearing both of those say five votes are required I don't I don't believe that's what the statute says but if that's the that's the standard that revenue is going to hire hold you to that's that's got to be confirmed to me somehow because my agreement to doing this is the 7.57 MS that we previously voted on for the general fund I want to see a commensurate cut to that so we're going to have to open up the general fund Mills and vote on it a second time so do we go through all that tonight and potentially have two late nights or can we go through cuz we'll stay late y'all know it and or can we do it all in Newport Richie at one time so our recommendation would be to kind of hold here and then we can do math before the final hearing um in a less rushed fashion and more accurate and we can work through um so so hearing you and not hearing confidence out of our County attorney doesn't give me confidence that we're following the right process me I think what the county attorney is saying and Jee I don't mean to put words in your mouth is he's saying tonight only you know he doesn't his his interpretation of the statute is is a unanimous vote is not required tonight however a unanimous vote is required to final adoption on the 17th General general fund bills can be open that up and discuss you can also that yes sir we would go through the same same discussion on the general operating millage and if the board wanted to adopt that the vote thresholds are different of course for General operating Village but nevertheless that would be a discussion that the board would have so commissioner tonight you're going to have the ceiling set that you can't increase but for the final you can still come down in the 17K that's that's what I was trying to say is I I believe that it's the final vote that matters and if you if you didn't vote for it on the final vote that would kill it it has to be unanimous so it doesn't I would I would recommend staying at the millage that we've advertised and you've always got the SR you power to turn the power to turn it down at the final hearing my non-legal opinion I agree with attorney but Department of Revenue did give us a different answer I was to

do that Mr chairman yes and I go back to um I would rather see it come lowering the MSU down and this doesn't have to happen till the next meeting but I'd rather lower the M MSU down leaving the millage where it's at same for the same reason I told you 91% of the count is going to pay for these roads remember a lot of the money that's coming from this is paying for arterials too which everybody in the cities uses but no one's going to pay for just as County people and I think it should be shared with everybody as much as possible well no matter what the number the the fund will be funded where before there was nothing so no matter what we decide on but there was a we're moving forward but but there was a p is dangerous because you you the county can lean people's homes and take their property from them that that system is just bad horri it's just a bad system yeah but we're moving forward for so we'll there so everybody understands we move this number down a certain number then you have to realize and the public has to realize that you won't be able to pave as much each year unless that's back up sometime but if you lower it takes longer to get to your roads we already kind of pushed it out so it wouldn't be high we pushed it out yeah we already straight it out with with this low number so we have not made a decision yet right chair on how we're going to fund the uh the remaining peos loans that hasn't been decided yet so I mean there's still as Mike kabalo say it's in the sausage making right uh that we're not there yet right so you know but do do you want to set this millage lower than the 51 point or excuse me 5184 [Music] do you want to set that lower to go or do you want them to come back with a number to where do you feel comfortable I thought I heard Jack saying he would like to see it reduced is that right but I'm comfortable leaving it where it is now just to go through and let's see what staff brings back to us we can dissected next I agree and do it then yeah let bring back options question we can't go back up yeah you never you never know how tough how tough stuff is going to be and you never know that [Applause] might Mr star has Stakes back here so I'm good for a while it's not cooked but you're welcome to it if you can't okay all right is there a motion by the board to adopt a millage rate of 05184294ae roads Rehabilitation mstu and it takes five votes yeah and we're we pledge to cut it when we find out right what that number is how many agreement we're doing that yeah I'll make a Motion county attorney are you sure sure am I sure that you have advising us the right way that we're not boxing ourselves in a Corners that way

we can still he is do some work before he like all my other attorney friends they told me not to act like an attorney so I don't I am I am confident that if you Levy if if you move ahead the the 0. 5184 Mills you have complete Authority at your next hearing to lower that or eliminate and the general operating Mills of and 7.5 and you're at the same you're at the same you've got that same discussion on the general millage at your next hearing as well see attorneys that that I'm comfortable with attorneys are human trust but verify it's kind of the way all right so I'll second commissioner Jagger's motion okay I've got a motion in a second to leave it as it is we'll relook at it on September 17th all those in favor say I I I all opposed like sign it passes 5 Z okay I will now provide a summary of the nine voter approved Debt Service millage rates these millage rates are levied to repay the debt service for the general obligation bonds to include two tranches each for the jail project the Parks and Recreation projects and the libraries projects as well as three tranches for the fire rescue projects the nine individual millage rates are listed on table one in your handout rather than read this chart into the record we have provided copies to each commissioner board records and members of the audience I ask the board to accept public comment and then vote on each Debt Service millage rate there is no vote requirement for these millage rates so a simple majority or three votes is needed [Music] okay all right does anyone wish to speak to the board uh regarding any of the nine u Bond M rat anyone okay seeing no one uh any discussion here with the board anyone online nobody nobody's online uh no we have no one on no one onine see no one will approval second you need one for each each Village so is there a uh a motion to adopt a mage rate be sure of 0.256 Mills for the 2019 a jail facility Bond move approval a motion and second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0204 Ms for the 200 19B fire rescue Bond some move got a motion second all those in favor say I I motion pass 5 5 Z is there uh a motion to adopt the mill rate of 0 096 Ms for the 2019c parks recreation and natural resources Bond move approval got a motion second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 Z is there a motion to adopt the millage rate of 0.0 got to be sure the Zer yeah 94 Ms for the 2019 D libraries Bond I think you need to restate that sir you lost a zero 0.00

94 Mill now one more time 0.94 that's 0.94 Mills for the 2019 libraries Bond second got a motion second all those in favor say I motion pass 5 Z is there a motion to adopt millage rate of 0.416 Mills for the 2020a fire rescue Bond so move got a motion second second all those favor say I I I motion pass 5 z uh is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.0 I'm sorry but this is faint typing they gave me here 0.0087 Mills for the 2021 a Bond so Mo second got a motion in a second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 is there a motion for adopting millage rate of 01073 Mills for the 2021b jail bond move approve second motion and second all those in favor say I I I motion pass by Z is there a motion to adopt the village excuse me millage rate of 0.0131 Mills for the 2022a parks recreation and natural resources Bond Move approv Motion second and a second all those in favor say I I I okay um is there a motion to adopt a millage rate of 0.44 Mills for the 20 24 a fire rescue Bond so Move Motion in a second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 Z M far all right I will now provide a summary of the remainder of the budget if you refer to table two in your handout the budget total did change my team just calculated it so I'll read in the new number so that will be a variation from the table that's been provided but based off of the zero Mills levied for the parks Capital maintenance mstu we recalculated the budget and the aggregate millage so I just wanted to point out that what I'm stating is going to be a change from what you see so the budget totals 2 b254 m74 18,1 2017 I would ask the board to accept public comment then vote on the tenative budget there is no vote require reement for the budget so a simple majority or three votes is needed okay is anyone here wish to speak to the budget see no one move approval second okay um where we at I will oh I got the so I got I got a motion in second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 z um all right the actions you have taken today has set the tentative aggregate millage at 10156 Mills which reflects an increase of 9.61% above the roll back rate I will now read the resolution adopting the militri by title only a resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the tentative levying of adorm taxes for Pasco County for fiscal year 2025 providing for an effective date okay is there a motion for approval

of the resolution adopting the tentative leving of adorm taxes for Pasco County for fiscal year 2025 so move got a motion and a second all those in favor say I I I motion pass 5 I will now read the resolution adopting the budget by title only a resolution of the board of County commissioners of Pasco County Florida adopting the tentative budget for fiscal year 2025 providing for an effective okay is there a motion for approval of the resolution adopting the tenative budget for Pasco County fiscal year 2025 move approv got a motion second and a second all those in favor say I I motion pass 5 any changes made between now and the final public hearing will be detailed in a memorandum which will be provided to you with your agenda for the regular meeting on September 17th staff staff recommends the board provide Direction prior to the final public hearing regarding any additional amendments to the tenative budget as a result of the memorandum mentioned above and any other amendments the board desires these changes can then be incorporated into the resolutions for the public hearing of September 17th okay this concludes the tenative public hearing [Applause] is it raining up